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What are the chances we'll see Adrian?


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There are a few, luckily most of them end up with the PC's or a Templar's blade in their guts.

 

Its called suck it up and blame God for cursing you.

"Magic is to serve man not rule over him"

 

Magic isn't a curse it's a gift according to the Chant of light, but it's a gift meant to serve man (which is unspecified for some reason, most likely there are multiple ways to serve man)



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"Magic is to serve man not rule over him"

 

Magic isn't a curse it's a gift according to the Chant of light, but it's a gift meant to serve man (which is unspecified for some reason, most likely there are multiple ways to serve man)

 

 

And according to the Divine, it should be cherished.


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And according to the Divine, it should be cherished.

It's a gift with a prize though.

 

Mages need lots and lots of training or else bad things happened.



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It's a gift with a prize though.

 

Mages need lots and lots of training or else bad things happened.

This crap would be so easy if we just eradicated all demons in DA:I-



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This crap would be so easy if we just eradicated all demons in DA:I-

I don't think that's possible.



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I don't think that's possible.

I know... Just wishful... Perhaps genocidal thinking~


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It's funny.... I've been thinking a lot about possible new solutions to the mage-rpoblem, but I never come any further than something like the Circle.

 

But, to get on-topic:

There's no doubt in my mind we'll see Adrian in DA:I. That is, if she hasn't died in the war already.



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In all seriousness, a country where mages are the exclusive leadership over non-mages isn't any better or worse than a country where non-mages are the exclusive leaders over mages.

 

I would disagree.

For one that makes only 1% of the population ever eligible for any leadership/power positions.

For another, the leaders in question have access to mind control and other nasty stuff.


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Magic isn't a curse it's a gift according to the Chant of light,

 

 

 

Correction - it is both.



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I would disagree.

For one that makes only 1% of the population ever eligible for any leadership/power positions.

For another, the leaders in question have access to mind control and other nasty stuff.

Well, in most societies only 1% of the population is ever in power, so....

:whistle:



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I would disagree.

For one that makes only 1% of the population ever eligible for any leadership/power positions.

For another, the leaders in question have access to mind control and other nasty stuff.

Those points are totally subjective. 



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Those points are totally subjective. 

 

How is that subjective? Because mages DO have access to certain powers and they ARE just an extremely small fraction of society if you think about it.



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How is that subjective? Because mages DO have access to certain powers and they ARE just an extremely small fraction of society if you think about it.

It's subjective to say those issues make it worse. That a smaller percentage is at the absolute control of the majority isn't objectively better or worse than the alternative. It's maybe the altruistic stance, but it's an issue of personal values, entirely. 

 

The issue of the ruling class having "powers" is similarly a personal issue. It's not objectively better or worse. 



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I would be pleased to see Adrian in DAI. But if we are going to meet a Libertarian leader, Fiona would please me even more. She has so many ties to not only Asunder characters and the Mages-Templars conflict, but also to the Wardens and the Theirins...

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The issue of the ruling class having "powers" is similarly a personal issue. It's not objectively better or worse. 

 

Well, if you had the choice between the ruling class having these powers and the potential to become abominations, versus the ruling class being like you and me but with, well, power in the political sense, which would you pick?

 

You have to admit that if the ruling class had access to such powers, that form a potential danger to society, would be worse than if they were the.... 'ruled over' class, for a lack of better terminology.



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I want to adress one of Lobsel's posts (forgot to quote it), about having Adrian as a forced antagonist, that would be (if I understand well) in contrast with what Bioware said about portrayals of mages and templars in DAI.
Starting on the premise that I don't think Adrian will be a forced antagonist, why would that contrast with what Bioware said? They never stated that there won't be antagonist mages or that siding with them means you don't have to fight them. There'll be mages (and not necessarily from Tevinter) that you'll be forced to face. It's normal that we'll face extremist mages. What Bioware meant to say (i think) is that we'll see mages with different stances and opinion. Some of them we'll be forced to face. Same goes for the templars. We can discuss if Adrian should be one of the forces mages antagonists, but that's another matter.
Another point I want to adress is Adrian granting a continental boon to the mages. If I remember well, in a thread of some years ago where Gaider addressed various point (Tranquility, Meredith's right in declaring the Annulment), Gaider addressed Lobsel's point of a 'mage's continental revolution' as getting ahead of himself (or something similar).
Things might've changed since then, but i think that people should consider the possibility that things might be different from what we expect. Because I've seen many people on all sides assuming on what the current situation is and how we'll deal with, and I think many of them are going to feel disappointed/betrayed after playing the game.
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Well, if you had the choice between the ruling class having these powers and the potential to become abominations, versus the ruling class being like you and me but with, well, power in the political sense, which would you pick?

It depends which class I belong to. 



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I actually wonder how rare magic is in the Tevinter Imperium... It might be more common, at least due to their preservation of mage families...



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I actually wonder how rare magic is in the Tevinter Imperium... It might be more common, at least due to their preservation of mage families...

It probably is more common, since it's been said magic is stronger in family lines. 1% was always an entirely speculative guess, though. I'm pretty sure we've never gotten any confirmed numbers on the mage population.



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It depends which class I belong to. 

 

Okay, fair enough, but you have to admit that if the ruling class had access to such powers, that form a potential danger to society, that that would be worse than if they were the.... 'ruled over' class, for a lack of better terminology. Worse in the sense that society would be more endangered by its rulers.



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It's funny.... I've been thinking a lot about possible new solutions to the mage-rpoblem, but I never come any further than something like the Circle.

 

But, to get on-topic:

There's no doubt in my mind we'll see Adrian in DA:I. That is, if she hasn't died in the war already.

Well the circle works somewhat, it just needs reforms her and there.

 

 

Correction - it is both.

2 sides of the same coin or with great powers comes great responsibility one might say to bad some Templars and mages don't see that or basically focus to much on the one side like Lambert and Adrian did..



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Okay, fair enough, but you have to admit that if the ruling class had access to such powers, that form a potential danger to society, that that would be worse than if they were the.... 'ruled over' class, for a lack of better terminology. Worse in the sense that society would be more endangered by its rulers.

If the entire ruling class, or even just a generous percentage of them, had access to those powers, it's a lot less likely that there'd be major disturbances caused, since everyone would be familiar with the same techniques and very likely would also know how to spot an abomination much earlier. I imagine this is why Tevinter hasn't collapsed into a writhing mass of abominations by now. 



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I actually wonder how rare magic is in the Tevinter Imperium... It might be more common, at least due to their preservation of mage families...

Probably more common then the rest of Thedas mostly because the ruling class isn't above in slaving other mages and stuff like that.



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Okay, fair enough, but you have to admit that if the ruling class had access to such powers, that form a potential danger to society, that that would be worse than if they were the.... 'ruled over' class, for a lack of better terminology. Worse in the sense that society would be more endangered by its rulers.

Well... In the case of mages, I don't know... There are so many factors that go into being a mage. You're born with it, yet it's a genetic trait, it seems... As with the elves, it could be possible that one day there will be more mages than non-mages, especially considering all these Veil tears...



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If the entire ruling class, or even just a generous percentage of them, had access to those powers, it's a lot less likely that there'd be major disturbances caused, since everyone would be familiar with the same techniques and very likely would also know how to spot an abomination much earlier. I imagine this is why Tevinter hasn't collapsed into a writhing mass of abominations by now. 

 

Okay, but Tevinter has other problems. To me it sounds very much like an... oppressed country. Oppressed by mages, that is.