By the point isn't that normals aren't capable of creating slave-based systems. It's that we have no proof mages can create a magocracy country without slavery. Which we have no proof of.
A worthless point, when you only know of one "magocracy country" to begin with.
We know too little of the Dales and Arlathan to know if mages were the some rulers.The Dales didn't have slaves at according to DA lore and it was ruled by mages.
Sigh. I never stated people i Thedas can't support or create country with slavery. I said that he shouldn't have posted example of IRL. And I already suggested that normals in Thedas can create slave based countries.Then maybe take a look at Loghain's Ferelden.
Sigh. I never stated people i Thedas can't support or create country with slavery. I said that he shouldn't have posted example of IRL. And I already suggested that normals in Thedas can create slave based countries.
And no, Ferelden wasn't a country based on slavery with Loghain, becuase slaves weren't used in Ferelden. Loghain supported slavery by selling elves in Tevinter.
But you said that we shouldn't use real countries as examples (despite the fact that Dragon Age is made for a real audience, and examining it through the lens of contemporary society is perfectly valid). Mort's point is that there are examples of societies based on slavery that exist within Thedas for comparison.
Loghain needed slavery to keep Ferelden running, or at least so he claims. So Ferelden's economy was very much based on slavery, for however brief a time.
Not my fault if Bioware made only one current magocracy country and don't give enough info about the possible others.A worthless point, when you only know of one "magocracy country" to begin with.
MisterJB isn't saying that normals can't create slave-based countries. It's that some of the normal countries aren't based on slavery.
Plus, it doesn't seem to me Orlais would collapse without it.
true, but Orlais have proven just as cruel as Tevinter in some aspects. The only reason why Tevinter need slaves is because the leading upper class mages need sacrificial lambs which are their slave because they use Blood magic most likely to control some of the population and battle the Quanari which they still are at war with.
If their slaves disappeared well the upper class mages would lose a lot of their power and the people would turn against them because the cruelty the people had to endure for thousands of years. In theory Mages could make a country without slaves, but in order for that to happen well Blood magic has to be made illegal.
Sigh. I never stated people i Thedas can't support or create country with slavery. I said that he shouldn't have posted example of IRL. And I already suggested that normals in Thedas can create slave based countries.
And no, Ferelden wasn't a country based on slavery with Loghain, becuase slaves weren't used in Ferelden. Loghain supported slavery by selling elves in Tevinter.
Ferelden's economy required the slave trade at that point in the story. That they were shipping instead of using is pretty irrelevant to the point. The point before was that Tevinter couldn't establish an economy without slaves. Well, neither could Loghain.
No, Loghain needed slavery to keep Ferelden running. His complete incompetence left him with no other option.
We know too little of the Dales and Arlathan to know if mages were the some rulers.
The Dalish gives us a clue how the Dales ruled, Mages are the "leaders" that take care of the major decisions and guide their people. while people (elves) with knowledge take care of some of the minor stuff like burials and such.
true, but Orlais have proven just as cruel as Tevinter in some aspects. The only reason why Tevinter need slaves is because the leading upper class mages need sacrificial lambs which are their slave because they use Blood magic most likely to control some of the population and battle the Quanari which they still are at war with.
If their slaves disappeared well the upper class mages would lose a lot of their power and the people would turn against them because the cruelty the people had to endure for thousands of years. In theory Mages could make a country without slaves, but in order for that to happen well Blood magic has to be made illegal.
No, the point was that normals can create a slave-free state withotj collapsing. Loghain's situation proves that one country needed sell people to survive (in a particular situation). It doesn't change the fact that many normal countries aren't like that.Ferelden's economy required the slave trade at that point in the story. That they were shipping instead of using is pretty irrelevant to the point. The point before was that Tevinter couldn't establish an economy without slaves. Well, neither could Loghain.
Not my fault if Bioware made only one current magocracy country and don't give enough info about the possible others.
And beside, I already said I don't think a magocracy country wouldn't necessarily end with a slavery system. I said that we have no proof it'd not happen.
But it is your fault if you extrapolate ridiculous arguments from that one example.
I have no proof that a meteor won't plummet from the sky and crush me, so I should seal myself in a lead-lined bunker.
The Dalish gives us a clue how the Dales ruled, Mages are the "leaders" that take care of the major decisions and guide their people. while people (elves) with knowledge take care of some of the minor stuff like burials and such.
I didn't estrapolate anything. I stated plently of times I don't believe magocracy would necessarily end with slavery. I stated we have no proof, and we don't. If you want to continue PM me.But it is your fault if you extrapolate ridiculous arguments from that one example.
I have no proof that a meteor won't plummet from the sky and crush me, so I should seal myself in a lead-lined bunker.
Can you guys take this somewhere else, please?
Well, the only other thing the thread was being used for was dumping on Adrian...
Would you like to see her?
Covered in her and Fiona's blood? Maaaaaaybe-
Well, the only other thing the thread was being used for was dumping on Adrian...
Covered in her and Fiona's blood? Maaaaaaybe-
So, question: should I just drop my self-imposed taboo about referring explicitly to the gory deaths I would deal out to the characters other people like?
So, question: should I just drop my self-imposed taboo about referring explicitly to the gory deaths I would deal out to the characters other people like?
Oh, please do. Perhaps you could start with Morrigan, my fav! You could watch her and her mother try to eat each other. They both have big mouths anyway-
Just kidding though, I would want to hear Adrian's side of the story, and more of her history.
Sure. I don't approve of her methods (or her stance, since I'm neutral and I prefer moderates) and actions, but i think she was a well-written character.Would you like to see her?
Would you like to see her?
only if she doesn't get a crappy appearance like Kai Leng (I'm talking about personality and motives and all that, not her looks).
Would you like to see her?
...with a Sun crest on her forehead? Why yes, yes I would.
...with a Sun crest on her forehead? Why yes, yes I would.
She would at least be marginally useful then.
She already was useful for rebellion.
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