2 sides of the same coin or with great powers comes great responsibility one might say to bad some Templars and mages don't see that or basically focus to much on the one side like Lambert and Adrian did..
I wouldn't exactly say that.
While that quote is true for anyone with great powers, mage powers come with some pretty hefty downsides, which is why its' called a blessing and a curse.
After all, Spierman doesn't have to worry about becoming possessed.
After all, Spierman doesn't have to worry about becoming possessed.
Tell it to the space goop!
Tell it to the space goop!
I know this was just done for Humor but that didn't come intrinsically with his powers.
Therefore it isn't applicable to the situation here.
She already was useful for rebellion.
Right, manipulating events so that a great number of people who did not wish to fight feel that there is no choice but to participate in a continental war that will also kill untold number of non-combatants because Adrian knows what is best for everyone.
Yeah, she is a real great ****** hero.
Right, manipulating events so that a great number of people who did not wish to fight feel that there is no choice but to participate in a continental war that will also kill untold number of non-combatants because Adrian knows what is best for everyone.
Yeah, she is a real great ****** hero.
Honorable Father is correct here.
Right, manipulating events so that a great number of people who did not wish to fight feel that there is no choice but to participate in a continental war that will also kill untold number of non-combatants because Adrian knows what is best for everyone.
Yeah, she is a real great ****** hero.
Lol I don't remember calling her a hero. Just pointing out her usefulness in events that thousands of mages rallied at Andoral's Reach. If they did not want it they wouldn't rebel. They did in fact break out of every single circle in Thedas. There is no light speed news system in Thedas you know. The already existing tension was enough for a revolt. In other words there was already fuel, all it took was some sparks such as Anders and Adrian.
*AHEM*
Demons are a canonical part of the Marvel universe, and while Spider-Man may not deal with them as a typical part of his adventures (generally they are the forte of Doctor Strange and other characters with magic-based powers), there is absolutely nothing at all stopping a demon from possessing him, or any Marvel superhero, or any random citizen for that matter. So yes, he should be worried, and so should everyone else.
But he doesn't have to be possessed to become a destructive jerk anyway, just like a mage doesn't. Superheroes catch evil like frat boys catch chlamydia.
Lol I don't remember calling her a hero. Just pointing out her usefulness in events that
thousandsa hundred or so and then a few hundred mages rallied at Andoral's Reach.If they did not want it they wouldn't rebel.They came for Fionia's conclave, not to rebel, hence why you had several fraternities still arguing against war.They did in fact break out of every single circle in Thedas.Besides you know, Kirkwall and Rivain.There is no light speed news system in Thedas you know. The already existing tension was enough for a revolt. In other words there was already fuel, all it took was some sparks such as Anders and Adrian.
Fixed.
Those points are totally subjective.
No, they are not.
While a small percentage of people are always in power (by simple nature that there is a limited number of positions, and no society would work if everyone was president), the ability to rise to such a position is the difference here. Unlike in may other systems (for example, castes), the exclusion of individuals is not based on differences that are imagined, but real, physical ones that cannot be overcome.
Even in Orzamar a casteless - however unlikely it may be - may rise or become a Paragon. But no one can just become a mage.
Furthermore, when people in power have mind control and all sorts of other nasty powers, getting rid of a tyrant or a bad leadership becomes a LOT more difficult.
so a system like that is ultimatively worse for everyone in that system (except those that hold power of course).
No, they are not.
Already went over this with the other guy and the thread starter asked us to drop it, so I'm not picking it up again. Sorry. 
Lol I don't remember calling her a hero. Just pointing out her usefulness in events that thousands of mages rallied at Andoral's Reach. If they did not want it they wouldn't rebel. They did in fact break out of every single circle in Thedas. There is no light speed news system in Thedas you know. The already existing tension was enough for a revolt. In other words there was already fuel, all it took was some sparks such as Anders and Adrian.
Yes, the tension was there but the majority still wanted nothing to do with fighting a war. The reason they voted on it was because the alternative was to return to the Circles and hope it didn't result in even greater restrictions.
Adrian did not do something that mages were praying for; she placed innocent people against a rock and a hard place so they would be forced to fight their way out of it because she believed she alone knew what was best for everyone and anyone who didn't agree with her was a fool.
The average mage is not going to this war with the mentality of "YES, finally we will fight for our liberty" but rather "We don't really have a choice, do we? Please Maker, don't let me die."
How Pro-mages can support that little **** is beyond me.
No, they are not.
While a small percentage of people are always in power (by simple nature that there is a limited number of positions, and no society would work if everyone was president), the ability to rise to such a position is the difference here. Unlike in may other systems (for example, castes), the exclusion of individuals is not based on differences that are imagined, but real, physical ones that cannot be overcome.
Even in Orzamar a casteless - however unlikely it may be - may rise or become a Paragon. But no one can just become a mage.
Furthermore, when people in power have mind control and all sorts of other nasty powers, getting rid of a tyrant or a bad leadership becomes a LOT more difficult.
so a system like that is ultimatively worse for everyone in that system (except those that hold power of course).
No, the subjectivity in your argument is the belief that such systems are inherently worse than the ones you personally advocate. That's what Mort is referring to.
But in any case, now that normies can just load up on red lyrium and start zooming around the place, pissing lasers, I don't think this argument holds water any longer.
How Pro-mages can support that little **** is beyond me.
Tell me about it.
*AHEM*
Demons are a canonical part of the Marvel universe, and while Spider-Man may not deal with them as a typical part of his adventures (generally they are the forte of Doctor Strange and other characters with magic-based powers), there is absolutely nothing at all stopping a demon from possessing him, or any Marvel superhero, or any random citizen for that matter. So yes, he should be worried, and so should everyone else.
But he doesn't have to be possessed to become a destructive jerk anyway, just like a mage doesn't. Superheroes catch evil like frat boys catch chlamydia.
Marvel universe is a load of chaotic BS (just like DC), but that's beside the point.
Spidey doesn't act as a natural deamon beacon. He is in no more or less danger of being possessed (when the setting remembers that they added demons that is) than anyone else, and demon and possession work quite differently to boot.
So my point still stands.
No, the subjectivity in your argument is the belief that such systems are inherently worse than the ones you personally advocate. That's what Mort is referring to.
But in any case, now that normies can just load up on red lyrium and start zooming around the place, pissing lasers, I don't think this argument holds water any longer.
You know, if people start being born with Red Lyrium in their veins and the insanity and abilities that come with it become a natural occurrence rather then something that appears to be a fairly rare mineral that is only being taken by a single faction in the entirety of known Thedosian history.
That argument may actually hold water.
I think people assume too much what the majority wants on both sides. The mages don't cast an individual vote, they're just shackled to whatever their fraternity leader says, and it's not like there's a lot of avenues available at this point to apply to switch fraternities. We don't know if the majority of mages wanted rebellion or not. Most everyone is just assuming whatever fits into their ideal.
Honorable Father is correct here.
Oh My Mother, which one are you? Senju, Uchiha, Nara, Akimichi, Yamanaka, Uzumaki, Hyuuga, Aburame, Inuzuka, Sarutobi?
I think people assume too much what the majority wants on both sides. The mages don't cast an individual vote, they're just shackled to whatever their fraternity leader says, and it's not like there's a lot of avenues available at this point to apply to switch fraternities. We don't know if the majority of mages wanted rebellion or not. Most everyone is just assuming whatever fits into their ideal.
I can say for near certainty that the majority of mages didn't want to die in a war that wasn't for their politics and instead something to feed the ego of a few select loonies.
going to war for "lul reasons" isn't the same as serving in an army and going to war.
Oh My Mother, which one are you? Senju, Uchiha, Nara, Akimichi, Yamanaka, Uzumaki, Hyuuga, Aburame, Inuzuka, Sarutobi?
You're such a ****** dad <_<''
And Uzumaki.
._. Only one in a thousand years to posses the Rinnegan?
...before that **** kishimoto decided lul emergency surgery when he decided to unveil their origins anyway
I can say for near certainty that the majority of mages didn't want to die in a war that wasn't for their politics and instead something to feed the ego of a few select loonies.
going to war for "lul reasons" isn't the same as serving in an army and going to war.
And who says it "wasn't their politics"? We only know the opinions of a few.
Fixed.
Also @ MisterJB
"The surviving first enchanters, the Grand Enchanter among them, retreated to the fortress of Andoral's Reach. Most of the fifteen Circles rose against the templars, with thousands of mages gathering at Andoral's Reach in the following months. However, the Right of Annulment was invoked on the Circle of Dairmuid, slaying all mages inside. It is predicted that with hundreds of mages manning the battlements, they could off an army ten times their size"
http://dragonage.wik...age-Templar_War
This approve every part you stroke through. There were thousands of mages, they DID break out of every circle except the one in Rivain, They did want to rebel because they argued that submission would impose harsher conditions for all Circle mages.
How Pro-mages can support that little **** is beyond me.
You know, if people start being born with Red Lyrium in their veins and the insanity and abilities that come with it become a natural occurrence rather then something that appears to be a fairly rare mineral that is only being taken by a single faction in the entirety of known Thedosian history.
That argument may actually hold water.
Lol. All minerals are "rare" when they've only just been discovered.
But it doesn't really matter, because we were shown well prior to the discovery of Red Lyrium that individuals in Thedas do not need magic to cause untold amounts of damage.
You know, if people start being born with Red Lyrium in their veins and the insanity and abilities that come with it become a natural occurrence rather then something that appears to be a fairly rare mineral that is only being taken by a single faction in the entirety of known Thedosian history.
That argument may actually hold water.
The young ninja speaks truth.
No, the subjectivity in your argument is the belief that such systems are inherently worse than the ones you personally advocate.
Are you referring to moral subjectivity? If we go down that path, then everything can be subjective if you so desire. I can denounce every single thing you hold as valid.
I don't see how you can hold a system of rulership that is tailor-made for tyrants as no worse. A system that actively puts more power into the hands of the ruling elite and make any change or rebellion FAR less likely to succeed cannot be better, not by any objective definition of better.
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