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[Master Warder Z_]

I am the Divine, you are the Maker. Get it right.

 

I am also Jesus, Buddha, Allah, The Golden Emperor, The Ancestor Spirit  And i am the grand taco emperor of existence!

 

(That's the animal path's normal gig)

[dragonflight288]

As I said earlier: 

 

 

 

 

Lambert isn't making rational decisions based on his duty. He's making them based on his hatred. He is the Templar Seeker equivalent of Fiona. He assumes he has a right to overrule the Divine without even taking it to her first. He actually says he doesn't care what she thinks. 

 

Fixed it. 

[wcholcombe]

And the one wielding the sword bears no responsibility whatsoever? The one who gave the order to attack when the mages (cough, Fiona) wouldn't just cancel the conclave they had permission from Lambert's direct superior, whom the codex on Seekers specifically say he answers directly to, without comment, also bears absolutely no responsibility for the violence?

*blinks, then backs away slowly*

Well they had permission for said conclave only to discuss tranquility, not mage independence, so technically they violated the divines order 1st.

Lambert makes a much better comparison for Adrian BTW. Neither of them feel constrained from doing whatever they need to achieve there goals.

Lambert orders Evangeline to kill them and even sends templars to assist. Adrian frames her best friend.

BTW, I know some of you think Lambert might have been beside assassination attempt on Divine, but even Rhyss suspects Adrian and her fellow Libs and doesn't doubt they would be capable of it.

[Banxey]

Fixed it. 

 

Ah thanks. It's a bit confusing considering someone wont stick to his role.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lambert isn't making rational decisions based on his duty. He's making them based on his hatred. He is the Templar equivalent of Fiona. He assumes he has a right to overrule the Divine without even taking it to her first. He actually says he doesn't care what she thinks. 

 

Considering her recent and future actions? I think he was well within his rights to end the Conclave, Also the Knight Commander at Cumberland ended the previous Conclave, it was Divine edict that outlawed them but it was within the Knight Commander's rights to end them and he WAS acting commander of the White Spire.

 

Furthermore, he despite his supposed hatred still was willing to let them walk away, even fiona if they merely handed over a suspected murderer and demon influenced mage, more then they deserved.

[wcholcombe]

Fixed it.

Fiona and Wynne are opposites. Lambert and Adrian are.

[dragonflight288]

Well they had permission for said conclave only to discuss tranquility, not mage independence, so technically they violated the divines order 1st.

Lambert makes a much better comparison for Adrian BTW. Neither of them feel constrained from doing whatever they need to achieve there goals.

Lambert orders Evangeline to kill them and even sends templars to assist. Adrian frames her best friend.

BTW, I know some of you think Lambert might have been beside assassination attempt on Divine, but even Rhyss suspects Adrian and her fellow Libs and doesn't doubt they would be capable of it.

 

Lambert did kind of order Evangeline to destroy any evidence and kill anyone who learned the truth of what they would discover before he even knew what was happening. 

 

But your point is not missed. 

Modifié par dragonflight288, 29 mars 2014 - 02:44 .

[wcholcombe]

Lambert did kind of order Evangeline to destroy any evidence and kill anyone who learned the truth of what they would discover before he even knew what it was.

Yes that was my point in comparing him with Adrian.

[Mockingword]

Considering her recent and future actions? I think he was well within his rights to end the Conclave, Also the Knight Commander at Cumberland ended the previous Conclave, it was Divine edict that outlawed them but it was within the Knight Commander's rights to end them and he WAS acting commander of the White Spire.

 

Furthermore, he despite his supposed hatred still was willing to let them walk away, even fiona if they merely handed over a suspected murderer and demon influenced mage, more then they deserved.

Hahahahahaha.

 

"The person whose morals line up with mine is well within their rights to break the law, but the person whose morals don't line up with mine should've been obedient, even if it meant allowing themselves and their entire community to be slaughtered outright."

[dragonflight288]

Yes that was my point in comparing him with Adrian.

 

Oh. Whoops, my bad. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Considering her recent and future actions? I think he was well within his rights to end the Conclave, Also the Knight Commander at Cumberland ended the previous Conclave, it was Divine edict that outlawed them but it was within the Knight Commander's rights to end them and he WAS acting commander of the White Spire.

 

Furthermore, he despite his supposed hatred still was willing to let them walk away, even fiona if they merely handed over a suspected murderer and demon influenced mage, more then they deserved.

You can't use future actions, since those are reactions to Lambert's actions. 

[wcholcombe]

Oh. Whoops, my bad.

No biggie but I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was somehow defending Lambert. They both belong in the same circle of hell as Anders and Meredith.

[dragonflight288]

No biggie but I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was somehow defending Lambert. They both belong in the same circle of hell as Anders and Meredith.

 

Or the plaything of a Tzimitze vampire. 

[Banxey]

Considering her recent and future actions? I think he was well within his rights to end the Conclave, Also the Knight Commander at Cumberland ended the previous Conclave, it was Divine edict that outlawed them but it was within the Knight Commander's rights to end them and he WAS acting commander of the White Spire.

 

Furthermore, he despite his supposed hatred still was willing to let them walk away, even fiona if they merely handed over a suspected murderer and demon influenced mage, more then they deserved.

 

He may have felt he was within his right. But he said he didn't care what the Divine thought, so he clearly demonstrated that he knew she wouldn't like what he was doing. He didn't care. As did Fiona. They are the same animal. 

 

And despite Fiona's hatred she still was willing to not start a fight. It works both ways.

[wcholcombe]

Considering her recent and future actions? I think he was well within his rights to end the Conclave, Also the Knight Commander at Cumberland ended the previous Conclave, it was Divine edict that outlawed them but it was within the Knight Commander's rights to end them and he WAS acting commander of the White Spire.

Furthermore, he despite his supposed hatred still was willing to let them walk away, even fiona if they merely handed over a suspected murderer and demon influenced mage, more then they deserved.

He was willing to let everyone go if Thyss admitted to the murders. I don't agree with Lambert but between his convos with Rhyss and Evangeline I don't doubt he did try to investigate the enigma of Cole and the murders.

[Xilizhra]

No biggie but I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was somehow defending Lambert. They both belong in the same circle of hell as Anders and Meredith.

So clearly I'll need to go there to rescue both Adrian and Anders.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hahahahahaha.

 

"The person whose morals line up with mine is well within their rights to break the law, but the person whose morals don't line up with mine should've been obedient, even if it meant allowing themselves and their entire community to be slaughtered outright."

 

What law? The law of the Chantry? Inept leadership and rapidly diverging policies caused that rift long before Lambert moved to act against the Divine or the Church, he gave his Knight Captain a suggestion, and support but little else, He intended for certain ill fated things to be lost in the wastes if they provided certain knowledge.

 

The Law of the Circle No? Ethics? The one who is doing his duty, is in firm conviction and works for continental stability overstepping supposed bias, offering a hand of friendship and it being turned away by War mongers deserves the justification for his actions, and even then only a handful of mages were harmed, one killed despite the idiocy of rebellion. The rest were imprisoned when again they could have been let out the door to be returned to their circles had Fiona not picked her battle.

[wcholcombe]

Or the plaything of a Tzimitze vampire.

That might be a little harsh on the vamp.

[dragonflight288]

He was willing to let everyone go if Thyss admitted to the murders. I don't agree with Lambert but between his convos with Rhyss and Evangeline I don't doubt he did try to investigate the enigma of Cole and the murders.

 

And his way of getting Rhys to 'confess' to his 'supposed crime' was "you will confess or you will die."

[dragonflight288]

That might be a little harsh on the vamp.

 

I don't know....ever play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines? That hollywood mansion scared the crap out of me with the Tzimitze. 

[wcholcombe]

So clearly I'll need to go there to rescue both Adrian and Anders.

Well played Xil. Well played.

[Master Warder Z_]

You can't use future actions, since those are reactions to Lambert's actions. 

 

The research into Tranquility is more then enough.

[Mockingword]

He was willing to let everyone go if Thyss admitted to the murders. I don't agree with Lambert but between his convos with Rhyss and Evangeline I don't doubt he did try to investigate the enigma of Cole and the murders.

Oh, okay, so Lambert promises not to slaughter an entire building full of people as long as someone confesses to a string of murders that they did not commit.

 

He's truly a saint. How have I been so blind all this time?

[Xilizhra]

I don't know....ever play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines? That hollywood mansion scared the crap out of me with the Tzimitze. 

Tzimisce.

[wcholcombe]

And his way of getting Rhys to 'confess' to his 'supposed crime' was "you will confess or you will die."

It was more you confess or rot in this dungeon but yeah. I still feel he made a legitimate attempt to find the truth. Which is one of the things I did ad more about his character. It wasn't just all mages are bad and there is no reason to investigate as I already know who did it.