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[themikefest]

Tough mean the Inquisitor?

Is that woman the inquisitor in the middle? If it is I didn't know that. She still looks like Aveline.

[Mr.House]

Damn it. I didn't even want an all-mage party, but mages are the only class I double up on for preference, and having to bring Vivienne around would be horrible.

Take Solas if you don't want Viv, simple.Not hard at all.

[Master Warder Z_]

Perhaps that is precisely how she achieved it to begin with.

 

I doubt she would have even be put up for promotion to first enchanter if there was even that suspicion.

[LobselVith8]

A little bit of exageration her Lob.  At the end of Asunder at Andorals reach, there were only hundreds of mages being the total from all of the mages in the circles except for the 2 annulments.  There is no evidence to suggest there were hundreds of mages at the circle in Kirkwall.

 

This isn't an argument against your position, just I find it funny the exageration in the number of mages that people put forward.

 

I don't see it as an exaggeration. It's a large Circle of Magi, given the influx of Starkhaven mages and the incoming mages from other Circles, like Karl (and Connor in the cut content). However, I'll indulge you and not use numbers. The problem is the Right of Annulment involved the execution of the entire population of the Circle of Kirkwall - countless men, women, and children condemned to execution.

 

Is that better for you? Because that fact is a primary reason why some players might be hesitant to trust Cullen, given his participation in this mass execution of countless innocent lives over something they didn't do.

 

As for Xil's question about trusting the Chantry-the head of the chantry is the reason that the mage leadership isn't still rotting in the bottom of the White Spire.  That should count for something.

 

900 years of the Chantry controlled Circles, innumerable Rites of Tranquility, and countless lives lost in the Rights of Annulment would suggest otherwise, for some players.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I doubt she would have even be put up for promotion to first enchanter if there was even that suspicion.

 

I don't think Vivienne is a blood mage but I think it's possible for a first enchanter to possibly be a blood mage. Orsino had knowledge of blood magic and apparently there was a rumour that the very first first enchanter of Kirkwall was a bloodmage.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We can't know exactly how Cullen's character will have evolved by the third game, but he strikes me as the type of person who would recognize the dangers posed by mages and by overzealous templars. And at the end the game, his objection towards Meredith was because she had failed to uphold what the order stood for. So yeah he seems like he could be a legitimately moderate templar, which means he is exactly the type of person I'd want around in my Inquisition.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think Vivienne is a blood mage but I think it's possible for a first enchanter to possibly be a blood mage. Orsino had knowledge of blood magic and apparently there was a rumour that the very first first enchanter of Kirkwall was a bloodmage.

 

Orsino was already in that position when he became a blood mage however.

[ZombieMasterDW]

We're starting to get off topic again. I think one of the characters in that concept art is your military strategist then it could be the guy that looks like Cullen. But the guy who looks like Cullen is wearing templar armor, so perhaps that guy isn't supposed to be Cullen or Cullen isn't a templar anymore. Or perhaps the armor he's wearing simply isn't recognizably templar armor.

[LobselVith8]

We can't know exactly how Cullen's character will have evolved by the third game, but he strikes me as the type of person who would recognize the dangers posed by mages and by overzealous templars. And at the end the game, his objection towards Meredith was because she had failed to uphold what the order stood for. So yeah he seems like he could be a legitimately moderate templar, which means he is exactly the type of person I'd want around in my Inquisition.

 

As long as it's optional, and not mandatory, I don't see an issue with it.

 

Frankly, I was simply addressing before that I understand why some players would be hesitant to trust Cullen, particularly if their protagonist is a mage.

[coldwetn0se]

I think a balance of 3/3/3 is much more feasible in this game, than in the previous games.

Due to the fact that enemy types are going to potentially be handled a bit different (we already know there is no level-scaling), and we have a number of "new" enemies, never encountered before (new demon types, giants, a variety of dragons, and other killable fauna), the chance of some not getting "face-rolled" by an all mage party, definitely increases.

Previous DA games have had enemy types with resistances and immunities to certain types of magic/elements. However, I did notice that these didn't always have a dramatic effect (as an example: you could use lightening spells on Qunari enemies, and they could still take decent damage, even though their resistance was supposed to be high). This time around, they may be focusing on those resistances and immunities being much more impactful. If I am right about that, then an all mage party, all the time, might actually limit your team. There might even be enemy types that have no ill effect from magic at all (an example, yet again from Dragon's Dogma, would be Golems).

This doesn't guarantee that they WILL do an even split of 3/3/3, but the feasibility of it, increases. Time will tell.

[TK514]

900 years of the Chantry controlled Circles, innumerable Rites of Tranquility, and countless lives lost in the Rights of Annulment would suggest otherwise, for some players.

"My last few bosses were horrible, so even though you, my new boss, are trying to get me better pay, a new office, and some input into my work, I've decided that you are awful, too. Up yours, new boss that is trying to help me."

[ElitePinecone]

On the other hand, Solas wasn't even hinted in the leak you're referencing. Furthermore, the gender ratio of the party, if it continues as suggested, is 3 women to 6 men (or 5 men and 1 fade-entity-in-male-form). I think it's more likely that we're going to get the uneven 5:4 men to women, with the third rogue being a unannounced female, and a 4 warrior, 3 rogue, 2 mage party split.

 

Cullen and Flaily Hands de Moustache are the two pieces up in the air right now. Most likely, one is going to be an NPC and one the fourth warrior companion (the Grey Warden being the third). My line of thought is we haven't seen Flaily Hands with a weapon at all, while Cullen at least appears in armor in the one (possible) image we have. So, my thought is that Flaily Hands is our NPC, head-of-military-strategy and Cullen our companion.

 

(That being said, I think Cullen would make for a great NPC, and I wouldn't be disappointed if this is where he ends up. NPC romance, anyone?)

 

As for Dorian, I love his character and hope we wasn't scrapped altogether, and instead maybe saved for a future title taking place in Tevinter. I just have serious doubts about the Devs allowing a full-mage party without either nerfing magics or buffing the Red Templars so that they are almost untouched by magic. It could happen, but, well, unlikely.

 

To steer further on-topic, I like the idea of Leliana being out Spymistress (Spymaster? whatever). It's almost like she's become the moralistic version of Marjolaine.

 

The survey mentioned four companions (Cole, Dorian, Sera and the Iron Bull), had images of two more (Cassandra and the Grey Warden) and didn't mention three others - Varric, Solas and Vivienne. It's interesting to note in the image section that "Flaily Hands" - who I think is Dorian - is placed above Sera in the order that their companion bios went, and that Cullen is grouped together with Scribe Lady.

 

David said Solas and Dorian were always different characters, so I don't think it's the case that Solas was created after August 2012 when it leaked. In fact, based on David's responses to inquiries about whether Maevaris Tilani would be in Inquisition, the character roster was already locked down by that point - they were still expecting to launch in late 2013, remember.

 

Flaily Hands/Mahogany/Moustache Man actually does have a picture with weapons, if you judge this picture to be the same character as the person in the War Room art - someone else actually suggested that he could be an Arcane Warrior, given the combination of sword and staff:

 

 

Given that he's robed, I highly doubt that this character is a warrior. 

 

To my mind, the more likely scenario is that Cullen is indeed the military advisor, and that we now know the full companion roster - if I had to guess, it'll be three warriors (Iron Bull, Cassandra, Grey Warden), three mages (Vivienne, Solas, Mahogany/Dorian) and three rogues (Varric, Cole and Sera). 

 

Cullen could only be a companion if Cole or Dorian aren't, and at this point I'm just not prepared to think they would've changed the companion roster after September 2012. The pipelines for creating the companions seem far too long.

[LobselVith8]

"My last few bosses were horrible, so even though you, my new boss, are trying to get me better pay, a new office, and some input into my work, I've decided that you are awful, too. Up yours, new boss that is trying to help me."

 

Some people would simply prefer to be their own masters, and not live on their knees to a morally repugnant institution, no matter the concessions that are made.

[Hellion Rex]

Back on topic, I feel like Justinia (if she's still alive) has at least Leliana working with us, both as a show of Chantry support, as well as to keep an eye on us. I feel like Cass could be helping us for her own beliefs, and not just at the orders of Dorothea.

[JeffZero]

Yep, I don't believe Cullen will be a companion for those reasons either. I know it'll be upsetting to many, but, well, I'll be happy to see him in the castle, on my side. If he's somehow given a romance path to boot, well, hell's bells, there you go ladies and gents.

[JeffZero]

Who is Dorothea?

[Master Warder Z_]

Some people would simply prefer to be their own masters, and not live on their knees to a morally repugnant institution, no matter the concessions that are made.

 

You diatribes really aren't necessary lob.

[Hellion Rex]

Yep, I don't believe Cullen will be a companion for those reasons either. I know it'll be upsetting to many, but, well, I'll be happy to see him in the castle, on my side. If he's somehow given a romance path to boot, well, hell's bells, there you go ladies and gents.

[TK514]

Some people would simply prefer to be their own masters, and not live on their knees to a morally repugnant institution, no matter the concessions that are made.

Thank you. I was behind on my quota of "on their knees" defenses from you since I took last weekend off. Now I just need to find a Dalish thread or two...

[Master Warder Z_]

Who is Dorothea?

 

Justinia.

[Hellion Rex]

Who is Dorothea?

Sorry, that's Justinia's name from before she was made Divine.

 

http://dragonage.wik...vine_Justinia_V

[JeffZero]

Yep, I don't believe Cullen will be a companion for those reasons either. I know it'll be upsetting to many, but, well, I'll be happy to see him in the castle, on my side. If he's somehow given a romance path to boot, well, hell's bells, there you go ladies and gents.

Thanks, Z.

[Hellion Rex]

Lob, Z, Tarkin, cut it out and get back on the damn topic.

[JeffZero]

Don't apologize, elu! I always seek to broaden my horizons. Now I know!

[LobselVith8]

You diatribes really aren't necessary lob.

 

I addressed why some players may be disinclined to trust Cullen; that's the crux of it. Apparently, that was sufficient enough to warrant snide remarks. Frankly, I'm very tired of it.

 

Thank you. I was behind on my quota of "on their knees" defenses from you since I took last weekend off. Now I just need to find a Dalish thread or two...

 

As opposed to one of your typical snide remarks, which you've consisted provided any time I've had the audacity to provide an opinion you disagree with?