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[JeffZero]

"Dragon Age tradition" can only be established in relatively few aspects of party makeup and there have only been 2.5 games. I personally won't hold that line of thought especially accountable for another couple of games.

[GVulture]

I don't think the Fists are Iron Bull's mercs. The fist motif can be seen in this screenshot behind the Inquisitor

 

 

If I recall correctly, when they shown the keep upgrade thingy in the PAX demo, the keep had some fists like that one in the military skin, just as the espionage one has an owl/crow statue.

 

As for Feathers, there is this screenshot in which I highly think it's him

 

 

You can see him preparing to throw the griffon pendant and a warden sword in the back. I think that he either was set up and had to leave the order or he left it because he saw something fishy/ did something that was against his principles and thought himself unworthy of the honor of being a warden.

He also appears to have killed those guards to save that dude. Which makes me wonder who the dude is.

[GVulture]

"Dragon Age tradition" can only be established in relatively few aspects of party makeup and there have only been 2.5 games. I personally won't hold that line of thought especially accountable for another couple of games.

Basing things off past experiences seems more logical.

[Xilizhra]

Thiiiiiis. People are so quick to villify all Templars, even the ones trying to make the best of bad situations like Cullen and Carver. "OH MY GOD, I'D RATHER LET CARVER DIE IN THE DEEP ROADS THAN LET HIM BECOME A TEMPLARAMSKJAHKJHDSJKHJKWHKSJAK!"

Participating in the Annulment and doing nothing to stop it is not "the best." I would go so far as to declare it the opposite.

[JeffZero]

Basing things off past experiences seems more logical.

*shrug* Not to me, in cases such as these!

[GVulture]

Participating in the Annulment and doing nothing to stop it is not "the best." I would go so far as to declare it the opposite.

Wouldn't have called what Cullen DID do "nothing". But you seem to have giant blinders on to any redeemable qualities ANY Templar might possess.

[Hellion Rex]

Participating in the Annulment and doing nothing to stop it is not "the best." I would go so far as to declare it the opposite.

Even still, both stood up to Meredith, in the end.

[Xilizhra]

Wouldn't have called what Cullen DID do "nothing". But you seem to have giant blinders on to any redeemable qualities ANY Templar might possess.

Three out of a whole Circle to be made Tranquil later? He's certainly no Schindler, or even Rommel. And he did nothing to stop its progress.

 

 

Even still, both stood up to Meredith, in the end.

Right... when put up against a friend. It's pathetic if they think that redeems them in any fashion from their prior crimes, and I for one would have no objection at all to killing Carver along with the rest.

[LobselVith8]

Hmm, in this case, it wasn't actually intended to be snide. I was attempting to poke fun at your seeming overuse of the phrase. Alas, it sounded more tongue in cheek in my head. Apologies.

 

This isn't a debate about the merits of the Chantry as an institution, or the templars as an Order. I simply don't think that mandating certain characters into specific roles in the Inquisition is a good idea. I think the choice should be up to the player, whether or not these characters are accepted, and if these characters have any position within the Inquisition.

 

If the player wants to have Leliana and Cullen (or anyone else) take on specific roles in the organization, then that's one thing, but I don't think it would be a good idea to railroad the player into accepting those characters. As I was trying to convey before, some players may have specific reasons for not trusting Leliana or Cullen, and I think that should be respected.

 

That's literally it. I shouldn't have lost my composure, however. My apologies as well.

[Vulpe]

On the other hand, Solas wasn't even hinted in the leak you're referencing. Furthermore, the gender ratio of the party, if it continues as suggested, is 3 women to 6 men (or 5 men and 1 fade-entity-in-male-form). I think it's more likely that we're going to get the uneven 5:4 men to women, with the third rogue being a unannounced female, and a 4 warrior, 3 rogue, 2 mage party split.

 

Cullen and Flaily Hands de Moustache are the two pieces up in the air right now. Most likely, one is going to be an NPC and one the fourth warrior companion (the Grey Warden being the third). My line of thought is we haven't seen Flaily Hands with a weapon at all, while Cullen at least appears in armor in the one (possible) image we have. So, my thought is that Flaily Hands is our NPC, head-of-military-strategy and Cullen our companion.

 

(That being said, I think Cullen would make for a great NPC, and I wouldn't be disappointed if this is where he ends up. NPC romance, anyone?)

 

As for Dorian, I love his character and hope we wasn't scrapped altogether, and instead maybe saved for a future title taking place in Tevinter. I just have serious doubts about the Devs allowing a full-mage party without either nerfing magics or buffing the Red Templars so that they are almost untouched by magic. It could happen, but, well, unlikely.

 

To steer further on-topic, I like the idea of Leliana being out Spymistress (Spymaster? whatever). It's almost like she's become the moralistic version of Marjolaine.

 

The image is of a very bad quality, but you can see the resemplance. He seems to have the white fabric on the oposite side as in the war room concept. As for the weapon... look closely. It's a staff. Many people said that he's using a sword, but you can see that he is holding with his left hand the main body while with the left he's holding a second handle that is connectet to the body of the trident.

So Moustache Guy is/was a mage.

 

When it comes to the male/female balance, I think that they'll make it even with non companion NPC's to whom we'll interact just as often. So if anyone is worried that they'll have lesser LI's I say "Stay calm! Dagna'll show you some of her luving!"

 

He also appears to have killed those guards to save that dude. Which makes me wonder who the dude is.

 

If I had to guess I'd say that the guy is his now no good childhood friend/ brother.

[wcholcombe]

I think a balance of 3/3/3 is much more feasible in this game, than in the previous games.

Due to the fact that enemy types are going to potentially be handled a bit different (we already know there is no level-scaling), and we have a number of "new" enemies, never encountered before (new demon types, giants, a variety of dragons, and other killable fauna), the chance of some not getting "face-rolled" by an all mage party, definitely increases.

Previous DA games have had enemy types with resistances and immunities to certain types of magic/elements. However, I did notice that these didn't always have a dramatic effect (as an example: you could use lightening spells on Qunari enemies, and they could still take decent damage, even though their resistance was supposed to be high). This time around, they may be focusing on those resistances and immunities being much more impactful. If I am right about that, then an all mage party, all the time, might actually limit your team. There might even be enemy types that have no ill effect from magic at all (an example, yet again from Dragon's Dogma, would be Golems).

This doesn't guarantee that they WILL do an even split of 3/3/3, but the feasibility of it, increases. Time will tell.

Except when you consider that non mages may not be able to heal at all, or if they can it will be very limited, having a party of 4 characters who can on some level heal would be unbalancing.

 

I am just going by the presedent of previous games.  It may also be that there are fewer mages because there are in fact fewer mages in the general population.

 

I would be fine with it personally, they would just need to design it where mages are easy pickings in melee-as demonstrated in asunder-otherwise I can easily see how it would be unbalancing to open combat with 4 mages casting giant AOE spells on the enemies.

[GVulture]

Three out of a whole Circle to be made Tranquil later? He's certainly no Schindler, or even Rommel. And he did nothing to stop its progress.

 

 

Right... when put up against a friend. It's pathetic if they think that redeems them in any fashion from their prior crimes, and I for one would have no objection at all to killing Carver along with the rest.

Because if he did something BEFORE the end of the game, HE would be the hero. Not Hawke.

[Hellion Rex]

Three out of a whole Circle to be made Tranquil later? He's certainly no Schindler, or even Rommel. And he did nothing to stop its progress.

 

 

Right... when put up against a friend. It's pathetic if they think that redeems them in any fashion from their prior crimes, and I for one would have no objection at all to killing Carver along with the rest.

You are certainly entitled to what you believe, although I vehemently disagree about them being irredeemable.

[Xilizhra]

Because if he did something BEFORE the end of the game, HE would be the hero. Not Hawke.

Actually, he'd just be Keran or Thrask.

 

 

You are certainly entitled to what you believe, although I vehemently disagree about them being irredeemable.

No one is irredeemable, but what they did there wasn't nearly enough.

[wcholcombe]

There is no debate; that's the entire point. It's simply an issue that some players may not be inclined to trust companions who work for the Chantry or the templars. That's not an issue that warrants a debate.

 

 

Unless you don't trust Justina or the Chantry as an institution, in which case it should be left up to the player whether or not these particular individuals are trusted or accepted.

Lob- on the first part I am not debating anything, merely correcting the statistics used.

On the 2nd part I am not debating that either, Xil just asked a question and I provided a possible answer-of course it is up to the individual.

[GVulture]

Actually, he'd just be Keran or Thrask.

 

 

No one is irredeemable, but what they did there wasn't nearly enough.

Prior crimes? You must've played a different game because you NEVER see Cullen or Carver raise a hand to ANYONE.

What's this you were saying about not judging mages for being mages? Bit of a double standard there. You want to say that it wasn't enough? Fine, agreed, but this vehement "I wanna kill them both!" for standing by and what... trying to stay out of a mad woman's way? Maker. You're too harsh.

[Xilizhra]

Prior crimes? You must've played a different game because you NEVER see Cullen or Carver raise a hand to ANYONE.

What's this you were saying about not judging mages for being mages? Bit of a double standard there.

Participating in the Annulment. If one was a death camp guard, one doesn't need to have actually shot any of the prisoners to be considered an accessory of crimes against humanity. The same applies here, and this is discounting the absurdity of the idea that Carver and Cullen traveling with Meredith would never have seen combat.

[wcholcombe]

I don't think the Fists are Iron Bull's mercs. The fist motif can be seen in this screenshot behind the Inquisitor

 

 

If I recall correctly, when they shown the keep upgrade thingy in the PAX demo, the keep had some fists like that one in the military skin, just as the espionage one has an owl/crow statue.

 

As for Feathers, there is this screenshot in which I highly think it's him

 

 

You can see him preparing to throw the griffon pendant and a warden sword in the back. I think that he either was set up and had to leave the order or he left it because he saw something fishy/ did something that was against his principles and thought himself unworthy of the honor of being a warden.

The fist is one of the projects you can undertake to restore- The Iron Collosus I believe.

[ZombieMasterDW]

This is my first day on this site and it already seems like half of everyone on here is convinced that either every templar is a bigot who would turn every mage tranquil in a heartbeat, or that every mage is a constant threat to anyone around them and thus should be kept caged their entire life.

I'm beginning to remember why I had misgivings about joining this site in the first place.

[Xilizhra]

This is my first day on this site and it already seems like half of everyone on here is convinced that either every templar is a bigot who would turn every mage tranquil in a heartbeat, or that every mage is a constant threat to anyone around them and thus should be kept caged their entire life.

I'm beginning to remember why I had misgivings about joining this site in the first place.

Then I shall assure you that there are indeed templars I'm sure wouldn't do so. Such as Thrask, Keran and Evangeline.

[wcholcombe]

This is my first day on this site and it already seems like half of everyone on here is convinced that either every templar is a bigot who would turn every mage tranquil in a heartbeat, or that every mage is a constant threat to anyone around them and thus should be kept caged their entire life.

I'm beginning to remember why I had misgivings about joining this site in the first place.

You have it mostly figured out. Though some of us in the middle end up defending both sides so at times appear to be on one side or the other.

[Hellion Rex]

No one is irredeemable, but what they did there wasn't nearly enough.

In Cullen's case, I'm going to wait and see what he has been up to for the past 3 years before I make that call.

[Xilizhra]

In Cullen's case, I'm going to wait and see what he has been up to for the past 3 years before I make that call.

We can see if he took any other actions in that time. Carver, at least, I can block going down that path.

[LobselVith8]

Wouldn't have called what Cullen DID do "nothing". But you seem to have giant blinders on to any redeemable qualities ANY Templar might possess.

 

I don't really think that's fair. It's not like this is Ser Bryant, Ser Otto, the or even Ser Thrask. Cullen is a character who not everyone sees in the same light, and given what he's said and done, it's only natural that some people are going to dislike him.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is my first day on this site and it already seems like half of everyone on here is convinced that either every templar is a bigot who would turn every mage tranquil in a heartbeat, or that every mage is a constant threat to anyone around them and thus should be kept caged their entire life.

I'm beginning to remember why I had misgivings about joining this site in the first place.

There's less of those people than you think. Most are more for a middle ground, but the extremists make more noise than we do.