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[JeffZero]

Can we maybe stop talking about mages and Circles and genocide in this thread please?

There are enough other places to do that already, it's not relevant to the topic, and I feel like maybe three quarters of the posts came from one debate that's gone on for nearly 20 pages now.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Can we maybe stop talking about mages and Circles and genocide in this thread please?

 

There are enough other places to do that already, it's not relevant to the topic, and I feel like maybe three quarters of the posts came from one debate that's gone on for nearly 20 pages now.

 

Yeah, and again I feel like I accidentally started that debate and I apologize. Right now I feel sorry for "Scribe Lady" first everyone was talking about Leliana and now everybody's talking about Cullen, and barely anyone has mentioned her.

[LobselVith8]

 
I would be very dissapointed if that's the actual colossus. It isn't that big.
 
Still, here's a little of that leak that I'm talking about. It's not all. If I find more I'll come with an edit.
 

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This and something more made me believe that Cullen is the military main agent, Leliana the espionage one and Scribe Girl the banker/merchant one.

 

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I assume Celene is simply one person the player can ally with? And I don't see why one elven noble would suddenly garner the support of elves who are destitute and impoverished all over Ferelden and Orlais.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, and again I feel like I accidentally started that debate and I apologize. Right now I feel sorry for "Scribe Lady" first everyone was talking about Leliana and now everybody's talking about Cullen, and barely anyone has mentioned her.

I am interested in meeting Scribe Girl. Even though we know practically nothing about her, something makes me think she will be a very interesting character.

[renfrees]

Maybe not before the Annulment.

 

 

If you're going to deal in absolutes, it turned out the Circle was full of blood mages. So they were perfectly justified to call an Anullment when they started attacking people.

 

http://forum.bioware...mplar-conflict/ - just to point out the obvious.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I am interested in meeting Scribe Girl. Even though we know practically nothing about her, something makes me think she will be a very interesting character.

 

I remeber someone saying that they thought that was Vivienne in that picture, but I thought she looked a little... underdressed to be Vivienne. Whoever "Scribe Lady/Girl" is she'll probably be pretty important if you need trade and commerce to say; fund your forces weapons, armor, supplies, etc.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I remeber someone saying that they thought that was Vivienne in that picture, but I thought she looked a little... underdressed to be Vivienne. Whoever "Scribe Lady/Girl" is she'll probably be pretty important if you need trade and commerce to say; fund your forces weapons, armor, supplies, etc.

Since Vivienne has a shaved head, it's obviously not her. 

 

But yeah, many think she will be the Inquisitor's version of Kelly Chambers or Samantha Traynor.

[wcholcombe]

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I assume Celene is simply one person the player can ally with? And I don't see why one elven noble would suddenly garner the support of elves who are destitute and impoverished all over Ferelden and Orlais.

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Maybe he is taking Celene's offer. Maybe he is what became Briala. Maybe he is the leader of the CE rebellion in the Dales and is trying to work out an agreement with Celene. Who knows, its a 2 year old survey example.  If you aren't on good terms with Orlais, the option obviously wouldn't exist. 

[wcholcombe]

Since Vivienne has a shaved head, it's obviously not her. 

 

But yeah, many think she will be the Inquisitor's version of Kelly Chambers or Samantha Traynor.

It could be, people think mustache man may have been turned into the warden character or that the character everyone thinks is Cullen might be the warden.  Character designs change, it wouldn't be shocking if that was what early sketches of Vivienne looked like.

[Former_Fiend]

Since Vivienne has a shaved head, it's obviously not her. 

 

But yeah, many think she will be the Inquisitor's version of Kelly Chambers or Samantha Traynor.

 

Solas isn't bald in that picture, either.

 

That being said, it's been confirmed that the girl in that concept art wasn't intended to be Viveinne and taht Viv and Scribe Lady aren't meant to be the same person.

 

I can see her being the Traynor of our group, and Leliana as our liason to the Divine/Chantry is kind of a given.

 

Question then becomes, is Mustache guy one of our remaining party members, or is Cullen?

[LobselVith8]

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Maybe he is taking Celene's offer. Maybe he is what became Briala. Maybe he is the leader of the CE rebellion in the Dales and is trying to work out an agreement with Celene. Who knows, its a 2 year old survey example.  If you aren't on good terms with Orlais, the option obviously wouldn't exist. 

 

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I much prefer Briala's plan to making one single elf a noble.

[Vulpe]

Solas isn't bald in that picture, either.

 

That being said, it's been confirmed that the girl in that concept art wasn't intended to be Viveinne and taht Viv and Scribe Lady aren't meant to be the same person.

 

I can see her being the Traynor of our group, and Leliana as our liason to the Divine/Chantry is kind of a given.

 

Question then becomes, is Mustache guy one of our remaining party members, or is Cullen?

 

If mustache guy still remains a tevinter mage despite the Dorian Pavus scrapping thing, I can see him as a possible candidate for the war management part. Not as good as Cullen, but still possible. Why? He's a tevinter mage. They are in a continuous war with the qunari. Unlike the other mages from Thedas, it's not that hard to believe that a tevinter mage can make a good general.

 

Still, I am reserved. Dorian was supposed to be the healer. Also, I don't think that the mustache guy from the other concept is the same one as the one from the "War Room" concept. That one seemed older.

 

My money's on Cullen. NOW LET US FEED ON THE WAVES OF FANGIRL TEARS THAT ARE DUE TO BE SHED! MUHAHAHA! 

[Former_Fiend]

Its something I'm rather conflicted on.

 

On one hand, I doubt we're gonna get three mages. On the other, I really like the Dorian concept and want to see it in the game.

 

But assuming we don't, the question then becomes is going to be 4 warriors, 3 rogues, and 2 mages, or 3 warriors, 4 rogues, and 2 mages? 

 

I'm personally under the impression that Iron Bull and Beard Warden will both be warriors, so that's 3. If Cullen makes it in, that would be 4, and an unknown rogue to fill that spot.

 

If they're going for 4 rogues, then that's two unknowns to fill those slots since the only rogues we have confirmed are Sera and Varric.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Its something I'm rather conflicted on.

 

On one hand, I doubt we're gonna get three mages. On the other, I really like the Dorian concept and want to see it in the game.

 

But assuming we don't, the question then becomes is going to be 4 warriors, 3 rogues, and 2 mages, or 3 warriors, 4 rogues, and 2 mages? 

 

I'm personally under the impression that Iron Bull and Beard Warden will both be warriors, so that's 3. If Cullen makes it in, that would be 4, and an unknown rogue to fill that spot.

 

If they're going for 4 rogues, then that's two unknowns to fill those slots since the only rogues we have confirmed are Sera and Varric.

 

I understand why you're conflicted, I am too. Right now most people seem to agree that almost all the spots have been filled and it's just a matter of Cullen, or another mage. And most people are coming down on the Cullen side. If there is an unbalanced amount of classes then I, like most people, assume that warriors will be the class with the most companions, that is how it worked in origins. But we'll all have to wait and see, I'm not particularly convinced that Cullen will be a companion, though I understand why many think he will.

[GVulture]

Its something I'm rather conflicted on.

 

On one hand, I doubt we're gonna get three mages. On the other, I really like the Dorian concept and want to see it in the game.

 

But assuming we don't, the question then becomes is going to be 4 warriors, 3 rogues, and 2 mages, or 3 warriors, 4 rogues, and 2 mages? 

 

I'm personally under the impression that Iron Bull and Beard Warden will both be warriors, so that's 3. If Cullen makes it in, that would be 4, and an unknown rogue to fill that spot.

 

If they're going for 4 rogues, then that's two unknowns to fill those slots since the only rogues we have confirmed are Sera and Varric.

That's why I am leaning to the 4 warriors. Although... who knows, maybe they decided to retcon Cullen AGAIN make him a light armor Templar assassin. CULLEN BACKFLIPS. LOL. *shakes head*

 

No, but seriously. Four rogues is almost as worse than four warriors I think. You hardly ever need more than one, especially if you play a rogue...

 

Whereas, a warrior can tank or dps so 4 warriors who are 2 tank/2 dps works best I think.

 

It's another balancing issue, I think. Unless Iron Bull pulls a big surprise and ends up being a rogue...

[wcholcombe]

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I much prefer Briala's plan to making one single elf a noble.

I wasn't debating that.  It is just an idea from the old survey.  My preference would be there were multiple options open to the player.

[ZombieMasterDW]

That's why I am leaning to the 4 warriors. Although... who knows, maybe they decided to retcon Cullen AGAIN make him a light armor Templar assassin. CULLEN BACKFLIPS. LOL. *shakes head*

 

No, but seriously. Four rogues is almost as worse than four warriors I think. You hardly ever need more than one, especially if you play a rogue...

 

Whereas, a warrior can tank or dps so 4 warriors who are 2 tank/2 dps works best I think.

 

It's another balancing issue, I think. Unless Iron Bull pulls a big surprise and ends up being a rogue...

 

Yeah, unless they're going to make rogues more usefull than ever the idea of four rogue companions seems ridiculous. If there is a fourth warrior companion it might be someone who is quite unique from other warriors, like Shale. Though I'm not saying I think Shale will be a companion, I don't think she would be.

[LobselVith8]

I wasn't debating that.  It is just an idea from the old survey.  My preference would be there were multiple options open to the player.

 

I was just stating my opinion. I'm not opposed to what was mentioned in the old survey, but I'm hoping for a lot more in the overall plot for that specific group.

 

Multiple options was a good sign from the old survey, I have to say. Very good sign. I'd also like the adviser roles to be optional as well - I'd rather chose who my advisers are, than be told that these specific characters are my advisers.

[wcholcombe]

I was just stating my opinion. I'm not opposed to what was mentioned in the old survey, but I'm hoping for a lot more in the overall plot for that specific group.

 

Multiple options was a good sign from the old survey, I have to say. Very good sign. I'd also like the adviser roles to be optional as well - I'd rather chose who my advisers are, than be told that these specific characters are my advisers.

While that would be nice, from what we know it sounds unlikely, unless the advisors are chosen by you from among your party members. Which is possible, but that would remove the idea of this thread largely.

 

Still, while I agree with your idea, I could see us getting assigned advisors.  It isn't perfect, but there is a limit to how much choice they can build into the game.  On some level by game design I am afraid they are going to have to make some decisions on the build of the game.  Some characters will have to be set to make their role actually have an impact.  Having leliana fill the spymaster role and using her personality makes the character more then a place holder, having an entire non chantry(as I am guessing that is your issue with leliana and cullen advisors) set of advisors sounds unlikely but I guess it is possible.

[Former_Fiend]

I'll be honest, I don't chose my party based on balance. My one rule is to always have a rogue for traps and chests; aside from that, I choose based on who I like.

[LobselVith8]

While that would be nice, from what we know it sounds unlikely, unless the advisors are chosen by you from among your party members. Which is possible, but that would remove the idea of this thread largely.

 

Still, while I agree with your idea, I could see us getting assigned advisors.  It isn't perfect, but there is a limit to how much choice they can build into the game.  On some level by game design I am afraid they are going to have to make some decisions on the build of the game.  Some characters will have to be set to make their role actually have an impact.  Having leliana fill the spymaster role and using her personality makes the character more then a place holder, having an entire non chantry(as I am guessing that is your issue with leliana and cullen advisors) set of advisors sounds unlikely but I guess it is possible.

 

Admittedly, it would be the issue with certain playthroughs (since I doubt the Dwarven Inquisitor would care, although there's still so little known about this racial option, unfortunately), which is why I'd prefer variations or alternates. It limits how far I can take a specific in-character perspective when I'm limited to use certain individuals who might be OOC for that particular protagonist.

[Bond]

The person who came up with this theory nailed it....

[wcholcombe]

I'll be honest, I chose my party based on balance. My one rule is to always have a rogue for traps and chests; aside from that, I choose based on who I like.

I choose who I like.  In DAO I never opened chests, because I never had a rogue with me.  I tend to role 3 fighters and 1 mage or 4 fighters.  Sometimes I went 2 fighters and 2 rogues in DA2 because I liked both Varric and Sebastian.  That actually worked well, lots of arrows raining on my enemies as Hawke and Fenris/Aveline cut them to pieces.

[wcholcombe]

Admittedly, it would be the issue with certain playthroughs (since I doubt the Dwarven Inquisitor would care, although there's still so little known about this racial option, unfortunately), which is why I'd prefer variations or alternates. It limits how far I can take a specific in-character perspective when I'm limited to use certain individuals who might be OOC for that particular protagonist.

I agree, but all I can hope for is that if Bioware mandates it, than they make it work.  If it is those 3, maybe they save you or find you after the disaster and somehow earn your trust.  For all my issues with some aspects of DA2 I will give Bioware credit for sticking with what they considered to be a necessary story to tell even if they knew people wouldn't love it because they felt it was necessary to telling the story.Hopefully if they do make Cullen/scribe/Leliana the set advisors, they have a way that it fits.

[TK514]

This isn't a debate about the merits of the Chantry as an institution, or the templars as an Order. I simply don't think that mandating certain characters into specific roles in the Inquisition is a good idea. I think the choice should be up to the player, whether or not these characters are accepted, and if these characters have any position within the Inquisition.
 
If the player wants to have Leliana and Cullen (or anyone else) take on specific roles in the organization, then that's one thing, but I don't think it would be a good idea to railroad the player into accepting those characters. As I was trying to convey before, some players may have specific reasons for not trusting Leliana or Cullen, and I think that should be respected.
 
That's literally it. I shouldn't have lost my composure, however. My apologies as well.

I don't disagree with your point, in theory. I have my doubts about its current feasibility in practice. I think there's simply a limit to how much they can offer in the way of choice and still hope to get the game out by Fall 2014 (Spring 2015).

Alternately, it may have to do with the constraints of the story itself. What might seem like a railroading initially may have some greater narrative purpose later on.

Hopefully, whatever they produce is something we can all enjoy, regardless of our views.