God i hope that i can exchange him for someone competent and loyal to me not chantry dog... i mean how inq isn't chantry organisation where practically every member of it is pro-chantry....
Well we also get the Divines personal lapdog as a spymaster according to the latest articles though what I'm wondering is if you can ignore your advisors and their advise completely and strike out on your own or if it boils down to follow the advice of advisor A,B or C during mainquests
Well we also get the Divines personal lapdog as a spymaster according to the latest articles though what I'm wondering is if you can ignore your advisors and their advise completely and strike out on your own or if it boils down to follow the advice of advisor A,B or C during mainquests
Thats why i hope for the possibility of exchanging hell it is just stupid instead take someone who is loyal to inq take pro-chantry ,templar or mage or whatever. Not mention that cullen is far from competent person as only it can be so as i said many times fanservice.Almost every member of Inquisition that matters is pro-chantry so well hardly not chantry organization...
i hope some missions involve choosing intertwining advisors specialties (like military and espionage, espionage and commerce, military and commerce) or even all aspects at once
God i hope that i can exchange him for someone competent and loyal to me not chantry dog... i mean how inq isn't chantry organisation where practically every member of it is pro-chantry....
Well we also get the Divines personal lapdog as a spymaster according to the latest articles though what I'm wondering is if you can ignore your advisors and their advise completely and strike out on your own or if it boils down to follow the advice of advisor A,B or C during mainquests
I have to say, it seems like it's pretty much created in the spirit of Justinia's Chantry. It's hard to see the Inquisition as neutral when it's comprised of people like Cassandra, Leliana, and Cullen.
... who are all subordinates to the Inquisitor. It's been stated so many times that the Inquisition is not part of the Chantry that the only thing left is for Mark Darrah to run around naked with that phrase tattooed all over his body.
If the threshold for "omg chantry is interfering in my game biower this sucks" is any former member of the organisation being in any position of power in any capacity, that's a little absurd. Even if the Inquisition is (initially?) staffed by Chantry people and founded under Chantry law, its operation and tone are under the control of the Inquisitor.
Cullen is hardly pro-Templar anymore. A lot of emphasis has been laid upon the fact that Cullen has now witnessed the worst of both worlds, and are now torn between the two. He never was "pro-Chantry" so that is pretty much baseless, unsupported crap as usual.
Cassandra and Lelianna may be loyal to Justinia and by extension the Chantry, but consdiering the fact that Justinia is probably going to end up as a smoldering corpse during the prologue of the game, that argument goes straight out the window.
So basically: quit yer bithcin'.
Cullen is hardly pro-Templar anymore. A lot of emphasis has been laid upon the fact that Cullen has now witnessed the worst of both worlds, and are now torn between the two. He never was "pro-Chantry" so that is pretty much baseless, unsupported crap as usual.
Cassandra and Lelianna may be loyal to Justinia and by extension the Chantry, but consdiering the fact that Justinia is probably going to end up as a smoldering corpse during the prologue of the game, that argument goes straight out the window.
So basically: quit yer bithcin'.
LoL that he opposed meredith and only because he had to face hawke doesn't mean that he isn't pro-templar not mention that pretty much being pro-chantry is required to be templar otherwise career of such templar would be short and not mention his comments...
Casandra is loyal to chantry as far i renember same leliana who practically representative and that divine is dead hardly changes that they aren't pro-chantry no more...
LoL that he opposed meredith and only because he had to face hawke doesn't mean that he isn't pro-templar not mention that pretty much being pro-chantry is required to be templar otherwise career of such templar would be short and not mention his comments...
Casandra is loyal to chantry as far i renember same leliana who practically representative and that divine is dead hardly changes that they aren't pro-chantry no more...
Yes ALL Templar MUST be pro-Chantry! That must be why so many of them LEFT the Chantry. They were simply TOO loyal to the Chantry!........
Templar is a job, loyalty to the CHantry is nice and all, but as long as you are good at your job, the Templar leadership probably didn't care too much.
And Cassandra might have been loyal to the Chantry but with the Chantry being in shambles her goalpost has obviously shifted, as per we witness in the trailer. Lelianna was neer loyal to the Chantry as an organization, but exclusively to Justinia. With Justinia dead, Lelianna is now hoping to fulfill Justinias last wish, the reestablishment of the Inquisition.
So no... There aren't any Chantry zealots on the team. Or mage rebels. Or Qunari spies. Your companions are the Inquisition first and foremost. That you don't like the characters, too bad. You can always just not play the game.
LoL that he opposed meredith and only because he had to face hawke doesn't mean that he isn't pro-templar not mention that pretty much being pro-chantry is required to be templar otherwise career of such templar would be short and not mention his comments...
Casandra is loyal to chantry as far i renember same leliana who practically representative and that divine is dead hardly changes that they aren't pro-chantry no more...
The ending of the video made things pretty clear: "Whatever we were before, we are now the Inquisition."
Does it mean they won't enter into the group with clear bias and favoritism? No, they will definitely be biased to their certain point of view, but they'll also be expected to put that aside to do what's best for the Inquisition and if your Inquisitor tells them to sit down, shut up, and follow orders I expect they'll do just that.
... who are all subordinates to the Inquisitor. It's been stated so many times that the Inquisition is not part of the Chantry that the only thing left is for Mark Darrah to run around naked with that phrase tattooed all over his body.
If the threshold for "omg chantry is interfering in my game biower this sucks" is any former member of the organisation being in any position of power in any capacity, that's a little absurd. Even if the Inquisition is (initially?) staffed by Chantry people and founded under Chantry law, its operation and tone are under the control of the Inquisitor.
Except my comment addressed the (likely mandatory) inclusion of two supporters of Justinia and a templar who may have agreed with her, in stating it seems like the Inquisition is a spiritual heir to Justinia's Chantry, despite how it's supposed to be neutral. The death of the Divine seems to be why the Inquisition is created by Cassandra in the first place.
That's a lot to interpret from my comment about the Inquisition appearing to be an heir to Justinia's Chantry. And if the organization is staffed by people handpicked by Cassandra (presumably Leliana and Cullen), it seems more like it's her organization, rather than the Inquisitor's. At least, starting out, since it's her plan to even revive the Inquisition.
And what makes you think that you as the Inquisitor will not be able to disagree with Cassandra's ideas. What makes you think you as the Inquisitor will be incapable of assuming control of the organization in a direction you want it to?
To me it seems that the Inquisition is going to be made up of a whole truckload of moderates, which you can probably mold to varying degrees.
Yes ALL Templar MUST be pro-Chantry! That must be why so many of them LEFT the Chantry. They were simply TOO loyal to the Chantry!........
Templar is a job, loyalty to the CHantry is nice and all, but as long as you are good at your job, the Templar leadership probably didn't care too much.
And Cassandra might have been loyal to the Chantry but with the Chantry being in shambles her goalpost has obviously shifted, as per we witness in the trailer. Lelianna was neer loyal to the Chantry as an organization, but exclusively to Justinia. With Justinia dead, Lelianna is now hoping to fulfill Justinias last wish, the reestablishment of the Inquisition.
So no... There aren't any Chantry zealots on the team. Or mage rebels. Or Qunari spies. Your companions are the Inquisition first and foremost. That you don't like the characters, too bad. You can always just not play the game.
Yes they have to because templars are pro-chantry group that is strongly favoring chantry and its faith they didn't left chantry and its ideals they left divine who betrayed it is clear that templars have problem with divine and want replace her...
I don't know about cassandra which is rather cleary was loyal to the chantry and divine i doubt that divine death will change that it is still pro-chantry character strongly as seekers and templars require that. Leliana was always loyal to chantry pretty so don't even try me otherwise pretty much every attempt to insult chantry in dao ended with her being angry how it isn't true about chantry and how good chantry is not mention that she was divine assassin.
So yes they are... pretty much it is like with anders and pro-templar hawke who protected him... so i hope i can replace them with neutral peoples who will be loyal to Inquisition and will seek improve it over everything not peoples who will hate me and my actions will be contrary with their ideals or morality because i don't need another stupid how it happened with betrayal of such person.
The ending of the video made things pretty clear: "Whatever we were before, we are now the Inquisition."
Does it mean they won't enter into the group with clear bias and favoritism? No, they will definitely be biased to their certain point of view, but they'll also be expected to put that aside to do what's best for the Inquisition and if your Inquisitor tells them to sit down, shut up, and follow orders I expect they'll do just that.
As far it feels that inq is only figurehead as chantry have most control they control military , spies and have other high members of inq and pretty much quote says nothing i doubt that pro-mages will pleased if i start shoot to mages so it is dumb idea to keep pro-mage when you are anti-mage...
I apologize if I'm repeating what has already been posted. I don't have time to read the entire thread (and am supposed to be working). In the Ausgamers.com feature article, Cameron Lee confirmed that there are three aspects of the Inquisition: military, espionage and politics/commerce and that each one would be headed by an individual. He confirmed Leliana as heading the espionage aspect. I'm assuming Cullen is military and the unnamed "scribe" is for politics/commerce.
And what makes you think that you as the Inquisitor will not be able to disagree with Cassandra's ideas. What makes you think you as the Inquisitor will be incapable of assuming control of the organization in a direction you want it to?
To me it seems that the Inquisition is going to be made up of a whole truckload of moderates, which you can probably mold to varying degrees.
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Could you please punctuate, capitalise and format your posts? Trying to read this is exhausting, and I don't mean that to be insulting.
As far it feels that inq is only figurehead as chantry have most control they control military , spies and have other high members of inq and pretty much quote says nothing i doubt that pro-mages will pleased if i start shoot to mages so it is dumb idea to keep pro-mage when you are anti-mage...
We have literally no evidence that this is the case, and it feels like you're deliberately seeing this in the most pessimistic way possible.
The Inquisition is not a figurehead. We're literally the only person in Thedas who can close the tears, and that makes us enormously influential. The devs have said multiple times that we have operational command of the Inquisition, as well as deciding its tactics and leading the charge into battle and to investigate new areas.
Believing that the organisation is compromised by a vast Chantry conspiracy is absurd. The game is bending over backwards to give you power and agency.
I didn't say any of that. I said, starting off, it seems like Cassandra's organization. She's reviving the Inquisition, and I'd wager Leliana and Cullen are brought in by her. I'm also guessing her soldiers will join the organization.
Maybe, maybe not. The religious significance placed upon the Inquisitor surviving the cataclysm is likely why the player is the leader (or figurehead), but I'm wondering what happens if the Inquisition goes in a direction Cassandra disagrees with.
Or it could be the mark he recieves after exitting the Fade, which allows him to close Veil Tears that makes him the leader.
What do you thikn would happen? What happened to any other character in any of the other games, that disagreed with one of your decissions? They voiced their opinion, got shutdown and fell in line. Or they attacked you and got killed. What makes you think it will be any different with Cassandra? She is NOT the leader of the Inquisition, the Inquisition is NOT going to follow her lead.
Or it could be the mark he recieves after exitting the Fade, which allows him to close Veil Tears that makes him the leader.
What do you thikn would happen? What happened to any other character in any of the other games, that disagreed with one of your decissions? They voiced their opinion, got shutdown and fell in line. Or they attacked you and got killed. What makes you think it will be any different with Cassandra? She is NOT the leader of the Inquisition, the Inquisition is NOT going to follow her lead.
Or it could be the mark he recieves after exitting the Fade, which allows him to close Veil Tears that makes him the leader.
What do you thikn would happen? What happened to any other character in any of the other games, that disagreed with one of your decissions? They voiced their opinion, got shutdown and fell in line. Or they attacked you and got killed. What makes you think it will be any different with Cassandra? She is NOT the leader of the Inquisition, the Inquisition is NOT going to follow her lead.
Indeed. From what I read, the Inquisition was the Divine's backup plan, and I think Cass would follow that, even if Justinia died.
Maybe, maybe not. The religious significance placed upon the Inquisitor surviving the cataclysm is likely why the player is the leader (or figurehead), but I'm wondering what happens if the Inquisition goes in a direction Cassandra disagrees with.
This is a fair question, and I'm interested in finding out how the Inquisition reacts to the ideological position of the player, if they take one. Devs have mentioned that companions can leave or confront the player if conditions are met, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cassandra can do this.
I don't think it's the case that you'd be stuck with people who hated your guts, though I suspect many of the characters will be moderate or pragmatic enough to forgive or ignore all but the most egregious disagreements.
(Because at the end of the day, saving the world is very likely more important to these people than squabbles over religious doctrine.)
I don't think Cassandra has any soldiers of her own. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing why she would palce Cullen in command of them. I thnk it seems more likely that the bulk of the Inquisition's troops are simply made up of volunteers.
I don't think Cassandra has any soldiers of her own. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing why she would palce Cullen in command of them. I thnk it seems more likely that the bulk of the Inquisition's troops are simply made up of volunteers.
Well, there could be a small contingent of Seekers loyal to the Divine (may she rest in peace), but indeed, it is definitely not an army.
Cassandra sort of mentions her soldiers in the trailer, when she says they found the Inquisitor after the explosion.
I think there's a tension between these characters having their own agency and the game demanding (/requiring) that the player has even more agency. That's even more relevant when we're commanding an organisation with underlings and subordinates, rather than just a party where everyone is roughly a team of equals under the command of the player.
But if anything I'd expect Inquisition to err on the side of the player character being implausibly powerful and influential, to the point where experienced Seekers/Templars/spies/nobles are willing to defer to our commands for no other reason than we have a glowing hand and can save the world. That's par for the course in Bioware's games, obviously, but I think it's even more pronounced in Inquisition if we're going to command entire armies and fight wars.
There are still some unanswered questions about how much of a say the Inquisitor has in founding the Inquisition (do we seize power? Does Cassandra voluntarily place herself under our command? etc) but I'm completely not worried about Cullen or Leliana "disobeying orders" or advancing some vast Chantry conspiracy, except in the most extreme conditions. I think they'll be moderate characters who are "professional" enough to carry out the Inquisitor's orders. And I really do think the game will go to great lengths to make the player feel powerful, because that seems to be what people were wanting after DA2.
Cassandra isn't like the previous examples, as it's her soldiers who seem to initially make up the organization, and she's even the one who creates the new Inquisition. It's why I'm curious. I don't hold any grudge against Cassandra, so it's sheer curiosity on my part.
I've been entertaining the idea for a long time that Cassandra created the Inquisition, so I had a long time to think about that issue. The important distinction to make here is that Cassandra only care about closing the Breach, capturing/punishing those responsible and stopping the "madness/chaos". She has no attachment to Celene or Gaspard or Orlais. She doesn't have a predisposition toward either the Templars or Mages or Orlesian human vs Orlesian Elves. She pretty much say screw up Chantry at the start of the game. The only way to ****** her off is to not do your job as Inquisitor in which case the world get destroyed (so it's probably not really an option).
She also want to get that Breach closed and the Inquisitor is the only person who can do it (apparently), this probably mean she won't attack you. I did think about the possibility of her chopping the Inquisitor hand off though. I's not the guy as much as the hand that is important here...
I'm more surprised there isn't a topic going right now about two of our followers coming from a chantry background, and Cassandra who seems to help found the organization also having a chantry background. Of course, as I figured by the symbol itself, the Inquisition does come kind of from a chantry background as Cameron Lee pointed out when it was talked as the chantry's plan B or something like that.
She also want to get that Breach closed and the Inquisitor is the only person who can do it (apparently), this probably mean she won't attack you. I did think about the possibility of her chopping the Inquisitor hand off though. I's not the guy as much as the hand that is important here...
Pretty sure it doesn't work like that, but I also joked about the 'cutting off the hand' situation. 
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