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[GVulture]

Seekers are typically chosen from the elite ranks of the templars. In their roles as overseers of the Templar Order and the right hand of the Divine, they serve as the Chantry's investigators and are given considerable latitude to function outside the law. The leadership hierarchy of the Seekers runs parallel to that of the templars, although a senior Seeker outranks any templar.

 

I just got that off the Dragon Age Wiki, although I suppose wikis aren't always 100% fact. Still though it does seem like the seekers are the elite templars.

Typically, not always, and DotS didn't imply that Cass was any sort of Templar. She was always a Seeker, probably due to her noble birth.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I've always found rogues to be usefull but not necessary. I think any group needs at least one warrior and one mage who is a healer.

[GVulture]

Again, I've absolutely not had this experience.

That's how I generally set my party up. Maybe I would double up on mages, but I would never, ever double up on rogues. Anytime I did, it was an exercise in face planting. Especially with my rogue Hawke. Isabela... poor Isabela. She would always die within seconds AND she couldn't pick locks. No thanks. I don't need four rogues.

[Master Warder Z_]

Again, I've absolutely not had this experience.

 

Playing a DPS/Buff Mage?

 

If so, That would explain it.

 

CC and AOE spells even things out a bit.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Typically, not always, and DotS didn't imply that Cass was any sort of Templar. She was always a Seeker, probably due to her noble birth.

 

Ok. I haven't seen DotS, so I've always assumed that Cassandra had templar abilities. So does she never use any templar abilities in that movie?

[GVulture]

Ok. I haven't seen DotS, so I've always assumed that Cassandra had templar abilities. So does she never use any templar abilities in that movie?

Noooooope. Which is why I always roll my eyes when people say "we have Cass, we don't need a Templar!"

 

With all the demons and anti-Templars in the game... I think we kinda do.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Noooooope. Which is why I always roll my eyes when people say "we have Cass, we don't need a Templar!"

 

All right, I guess we'll all have to just wait and see.

[Xilizhra]

That's how I generally set my party up. Maybe I would double up on mages, but I would never, ever double up on rogues. Anytime I did, it was an exercise in face planting. Especially with my rogue Hawke. Isabela... poor Isabela. She would always die within seconds AND she couldn't pick locks. No thanks. I don't need four rogues.

What have you been doing with Isabela, exactly? She can pick locks almost instantly if you boost her Cunning properly, and giving her the Ring of Unheeded Wisdom also helps. As for dying... well, maybe it's because I rival her and that gives her a bonus to dodging, but I haven't had huge problems with her there.

 

 

Playing a DPS/Buff Mage?

 

If so, That would explain it.

 

CC and AOE spells even things out a bit.

Spirit Healer/Blood Mage, though I keep toying with trying out Force Mage. I also always have Merrill in my party.

[Xilizhra]

Noooooope. Which is why I always roll my eyes when people say "we have Cass, we don't need a Templar!"

 

With all the demons and anti-Templars in the game... I think we kinda do.

I'm not interested, especially not with Cassandra and Vivienne already being around.

[GVulture]

I'm not interested, especially not with Cassandra and Vivienne already being around.

I have been interested in Cullen being in it if only for the fact that he seems like he would be very... anti-Templar Order by the time Inquisition would roll around and I kinda want to see that develop more.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

From a story perspective, I think Cassandra and Cullen are redundant. I don't really feel like they'd have much different to offer in the way of world perspective. They both represent basically the same organization, just on different levels. 

 

But I wouldn't be surprised if Cassandra doesn't still come in game with Templar-like abilities, either. She was investigating a mage rebellion last time we saw her, so it's logical to assume she was strongly equipped to deal with mages. 

[GVulture]

What have you been doing with Isabela, exactly? She can pick locks almost instantly if you boost her Cunning properly, and giving her the Ring of Unheeded Wisdom also helps. As for dying... well, maybe it's because I rival her and that gives her a bonus to dodging, but I haven't had huge problems with her there.

 

 

Spirit Healer/Blood Mage, though I keep toying with trying out Force Mage. I also always have Merrill in my party.

If I boosted her cunning, her dex suffered and she died more. So I couldn't use her to pick locks. She was the Zevran of my Dragon Age 2 games.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I have been interested in Cullen being in it if only for the fact that he seems like he would be very... anti-Templar Order by the time Inquisition would roll around and I kinda want to see that develop more.

 

I agree, if Cullen is it I really hope that you can make him feel more sympathetic to mages. I definitely get Cullen's appeal but when he referred to mages as being living weapons and not people it pissed me off.

[Xilizhra]

If I boosted her cunning, her dex suffered and she died more. So I couldn't use her to pick locks. She was the Zevran of my Dragon Age 2 games.

I'm not sure. Maybe if you're playing on Nightmare, but I haven't really had a problem with Isabela falling constantly.

[Master Warder Z_]

I agree, if Cullen is it I really hope that you can make him feel more sympathetic to mages. I definitely get Cullen's appeal but when he referred to mages as being living weapons and not people it pissed me off.

 

From a Templar Perspective its true, Hence the whole support of the circle system and all.

 

Also i disagree with the notion that he would become overly disillusioned with the Order, The events of Kirkwall may have made him firmer in conviction if nothing else, It does sort of demonstrate that if pressed Mages can become a danger to a Nation after all, that sort of does strengthen the argument for keeping them contained.

[ZombieMasterDW]

From a Templar Perspective its true, Hence the whole support of the circle system and all.

 

Also i disagree with the notion that he would become overly disillusioned with the Order, The events of Kirkwall may have made him firmer in conviction if nothing else, It does sort of demonstrate that if pressed Mages can become a danger to a Nation after all, that sort of does strengthen the argument for keeping them contained.

 

 

I think what everyone can agree on is that Cullen's opinion's about the templar order will be strongly changed one way or the other. It is possible that he could view what happened in Kirkwall and the White Spire as evidence that the templar's methods of containing/controlling the mages no longer works, regardless of whether it is just.

[FireAndBlood]

I doubt Leliana will serve the Inquisition, she is more likely going to be our liaison to the Divine.

[GVulture]

I think what everyone can agree on is that Cullen's opinion's about the templar order will be strongly changed one way or the other. It is possible that he could view what happened in Kirkwall and the White Spire as evidence that the templar's methods of containing/controlling the mages no longer works, regardless of whether it is just.

This. He is very anti-Meredith and anti-Keep The Mages Down! by the end of DA2 if you sided with the Templars. He believed by the end that they all deserve to be treated like people and not abominations in waiting and that it was the Templar duty to give them the right to live without fear. So, yeah... after the Chantry going boom and people cracking down harder on mages... I don't see him standing around for it.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think what everyone can agree on is that Cullen's opinion's about the templar order will be strongly changed one way or the other. It is possible that he could view what happened in Kirkwall and the White Spire as evidence that the templar's methods of containing/controlling the mages no longer works, regardless of whether it is just.

 

Could be, i doubt it though, He seemed pretty well determined into DA 2, and i don't see that changing overly due to the events of the War, He seemed like he would stick with the Templars until the end.

[GVulture]

I'm not sure. Maybe if you're playing on Nightmare, but I haven't really had a problem with Isabela falling constantly.

She did my first PT with a rogue Hawke, she did much better the second time around with my mage Hawke Force Pushing everything for her, but I still chose Varric over her when I needed a mage because she couldn't get the hardest locks.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I doubt Leliana will serve the Inquisition, she is more likely going to be our liaison to the Divine.

 

If Cassandra can serve the Inquisition so can Leliana. They're both the "hands" of the Divine, and I assume that the Divine will be involved with the Inquisition.

[GVulture]

Could be, i doubt it though, He seemed pretty well determined into DA 2, and i don't see that changing overly due to the events of the War, He seemed like he would stick with the Templars until the end.

Not if you side with the Templars. Each time my Hawke helped the Templars and she spoke to him after, he seemed more and more upset with what was happening in Kirkwall until finally he is all, "Serving the Order and following them are no longer one and the same."

[ZombieMasterDW]

This. He is very anti-Meredith and anti-Keep The Mages Down! by the end of DA2 if you sided with the Templars. He believed by the end that they all deserve to be treated like people and not abominations in waiting and that it was the Templar duty to give them the right to live without fear. So, yeah... after the Chantry going boom and people cracking down harder on mages... I don't see him standing around for it.

 

Hey look, now we're on the same side!

[Master Warder Z_]

This. He is very anti-Meredith and anti-Keep The Mages Down! by the end of DA2 if you sided with the Templars. He believed by the end that they all deserve to be treated like people and not abominations in waiting and that it was the Templar duty to give them the right to live without fear. So, yeah... after the Chantry going boom and people cracking down harder on mages... I don't see him standing around for it.

 

Meredith views them as people as well, Just as corruptible as normal people if not more, close observation is warranted, after all if you cannot trust normal men why would you trust men with arcane abilities over normal men? And no, He said it was worth the risk to spare three mages from the Anullment given it wasn't warranted for that situation, never mind the Circle being corrupt to its highest echelons, that metagaming anyway, my point is that Cullen didn't support the notion of killing them all for the action of a single terrorist.

 

However had he known about the wide spread corruption of senior enchanters, Orsino and what have you, Who knows? He likely would have been more Adamant on marching on the circle then Meredith.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Meredith views them as people as well, Just as corruptible as normal people if not more, close observation is warranted, after all if you cannot trust normal men why would you trust men with arcane abilities over normal men? And no, He said it was worth the risk to spare three mages from the Anullment given it wasn't warranted for that situation, never mind the Circle being corrupt to its highest echelons, that metagaming anyway, my point is that Cullen didn't support the notion of killing them all for the action of a single terrorist.

 

However had he known about the wide spread corruption of senior enchanters, Orsino and what have you, Who knows? He likely would have been more Adamant on marching on the circle then Meredith.

 

 

If Cullen was aware of the corruption of Orsino and other enchanters he probably wouldv'e supported having them removed from power, not simply killing every mage in a circle.