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[ZombieMasterDW]

There's been two games where the circles are, or are nearly destroyed and a novel where every circle is either anulled or rebels. At this point I don't think it's subjective to say that the concept of the circle has failed.

[Vulpe]

Each Dragon Age has had at least 3 warriors. Alistair/Sten/Oghren/Dog? And Carver/Fenris/Aveline. Which, considering that there are shots of a bearded gentlemen dual wielding daggers in the last of the new screens, it looks like Feathers/Bearded Warden is doing to be a dual wielding rogue like Duncan.

 I don't think so because:

 

1) In the picture you provided, the rogue guy had a buzz cut. Unless he does something with his hair aftear leaving the wardens I don't see him as that rogue. I think that's an Inquisitor

 

2) He was shown in the concept art using a shield. Still, if somehow he's a warrior and can dual wield while my warrior inquisitor can't do it I swear I'll kill every nug I see in the game and make a cape out of them. YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE!?! I'LL KILL THEM ALL!

[ZombieMasterDW]

I also have never and will never side with the templars, but I also watched my sister side with them so that I could know what happens when you do. I recognize that Cullen is pretty much always the sympathetic templar, but I still think that he (and the vast majority of the templar order) are bigoted towards mages. And I really hope that if he is in Inquisition that you can change his opinions on mages.

[ElitePinecone]

Each Dragon Age has had at least 3 warriors. Alistair/Sten/Oghren/Dog? And Carver/Fenris/Aveline. Which, considering that there are shots of a bearded gentlemen dual wielding daggers in the last of the new screens, it looks like Feathers/Bearded Warden is doing to be a dual wielding rogue like Duncan.

 

Feathers is a warrior. He's been wearing enormous plate armour every time we've seen him.

 

 

And I suspect that the character dual-wielding daggers is actually an Inquisitor.

 

(Or Cole.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What I mostly noticed about the dual weilder was also that he was basically another baldy. There would be some amazement if they redesigned the warden to be another member of the bald team, but I kind of doubt it. lol

[Master Warder Z_]

There's been two games where the circles are, or are nearly destroyed and a novel where every circle is either anulled or rebels. At this point I don't think it's subjective to say that the concept of the circle has failed.

 

Due to the stupidity and egotism of a FEW.

 

A handful doesn't INDICATE to me that it is intrinsic with the view of the Majority.

 

I have said this many times and it seems i need repeat it once more; Anders, Fiona and Adrian are NOT all mages, them acting against the system isn't the same as ALL mages acting against it, Uldred, the Libertarians, Minorities within a minority.

 

All peoples have their rotten eggs, and Mages are no different, the majority seem to accept or even enjoy where they are.

[LobselVith8]

You don't know just how much I do not want a fourth warrior. I almost universally like warriors less than members of every other class as a whole, and four is gross oversaturation.

I don't see why they should have an imbalance with the companions. Nine companions - three mages, rogues, and warriors. Perfect ratio.

[ElitePinecone]

If Cassandra can serve the Inquisition so can Leliana. They're both the "hands" of the Divine, and I assume that the Divine will be involved with the Inquisition.

 

From the wording of the original plot synopses for Inquisition I assumed that much of the Chantry leadership was wiped out in the initial attack, and that's why Leliana and Cassandra are willing to serve the Inquisition - because they have nobody else left to turn to.

 

If the Divine is incapacitated, or worse, then both of them are free agents, so to speak.

 

The other possibility is some sort of internal Chantry coup, especially given that Mark Darrah said the Inquisition is set up in opposition to the Chantry. If Justinia's replacement or usurper is someone who Leliana and Cassandra don't like, that could explain why the "formal" Chantry is against the Inquisition even while we have two agents of the Divine working for it.

[ZombieMasterDW]

Due to the stupidity and egotism of a FEW.

 

A handful doesn't INDICATE to me that it is intrinsic with the view of the Majority.

 

I have said this many times and it seems i need repeat it once more; Anders, Fiona and Adrian are NOT all mages, them acting against the system isn't the same as ALL mages acting against it, Uldred, the Libertarians, Minorities within a minority.

 

All peoples have their rotten eggs, and Mages are no different, the majority seem to accept or even enjoy where they are.

 

 

It's always seemed like more than a minority of mages have been resentfull of the circle. You're taken away from your family, will probably never see your family again, and nearly every single moment of the rest of your life is spent being scrutinized by people who consider you dangerous and sometimes abuse their charges. I don't think it's a huge leap of faith to assume that more than a few rotten eggs would not support such a system.

[ElitePinecone]

There is another possibility: that the Divine dies and both hands are unemployed. Doesn't sound very dramatic, but if the Chantry starts crumbling because the higher-ups are bickering about who is going to be the next Divine instead of trying to look for a solution to the Veil Tears, then Cassandra and Leliana would have a good motivation to join the Inquisition.

 

Also this.

[LobselVith8]

No you wouldn't

Perhaps for you, and you're certainly entitled to feel that way about the leaders of your respective Inquisition, but I think an effective mage could be an asset for gathering mages to the cause for my own hypothetical Inquisition.

As for Leliana, Cassandra, and Cullen, I actually wouldn't be content with having people with loyalties to another organization in leadership positions of the Inquisition.

[Hellion Rex]

Perhaps for you, and you're certainly entitled to feel that way about the leaders of your respective Inquisition, but I think an effective mage could be an asset for gathering mages to the cause for my own hypothetical Inquisition.

As for Leliana, Cassandra, and Cullen, I actually wouldn't be content with having people with loyalties to another organization in leadership positions of the Inquisition.

Would you say the same about Fiona, Evangeline, Adrian, or Rhys being allowed leadership positions?

And I think Cass is gonna have a leadership position regardless of you liking it or not, to be honest.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's always seemed like more than a minority of mages have been resentfull of the circle. You're taken away from your family, will probably never see your family again, and nearly every single moment of the rest of your life is spent being scrutinized by people who consider you dangerous and sometimes abuse their charges. I don't think it's a huge leap of faith to assume that more than a few rotten eggs would not support such a system.

 

To you perhaps, but if that was the case you would clearly have more Enchanters in the Libertarians then anywhere else and yet they are the smallest of the Fraternities.

[ElitePinecone]

As for Leliana, Cassandra, and Cullen, I actually wouldn't be content with having people with loyalties to another organization in leadership positions of the Inquisition.

 

What if the Chanty as we know it ceases to exist?

 

The devs have said that the Inquisition is directly pitted against the Chantry.

 

But Cullen/Leliana/Cassandra are clearly working for the Inquisition, and not for the Chantry - there's no guarantee that they support the leadership of that organisation, particularly if Justinia dies.

[Hellion Rex]

@Z and the other guy/lady, let's not derail by discussing the pros/cons of the Circle.

[ZombieMasterDW]

To you perhaps, but if that was the case you would clearly have more Enchanters in the Libertarians then anywhere else and yet they are the smallest of the Fraternities.

 

 

The Libertarians were not the smallest of the fraternities. The Isolationists and the Lucrosians were described as being the smallest fraternities. The Aequitarians were the largestand they weighted the sales with whichever fraternity they allied with. The Aequitarians were originally allied with the loyalists, but in Asunder when Rhys sided with the Libertarians it shifted the balance even though all the other fraternities voted to surrender to the templars.

[ZombieMasterDW]

@Z and the other guy/lady, let's not derail by discussing the pros/cons of the Circle.

 

 

You're right, I originally took this thread off topic and I apologize for it.

[Xilizhra]

To you perhaps, but if that was the case you would clearly have more Enchanters in the Libertarians then anywhere else and yet they are the smallest of the Fraternities.

Um... no. Not even slightly. The Isolationists are the smallest, followed by the Lucrosians. I'm fairly sure the Libertarians are the second largest, in fact.

[Master Warder Z_]

Um... no. Not even slightly. The Isolationists are the smallest, followed by the Lucrosians. I'm fairly sure the Libertarians are the second largest, in fact.

 

Sauce?

 

 

@Z and the other guy/lady, let's not derail by discussing the pros/cons of the Circle.

 

Elu i will come over there and take you into the broom closet!

[ZombieMasterDW]

Um... no. Not even slightly. The Isolationists are the smallest, followed by the Lucrosians. I'm fairly sure the Libertarians are the second largest, in fact.

 

 

I agree. I'm pretty sure it was the Aequitarians were the largest, then Libertarians, then Loyalists, then Lucrosians, then Isolationists.

[GVulture]

To bring us on target a bit more. Lelianna would be pretty much our guaranteed spy master. I do like the theory of the two Hands of the Divine being unemployed. Though it does bear mentioning that according to Cass's wiki, she serves a different Divine than Leliana. Not sure how accurate that is, but if true, that would mean than the Divine(s)? Are each giving up one hand to deal with the Veil tearing.

Fits with the Inquisitions original role as the Dragon age's version of the Spectres. By all interested parties having a "place" with the Inquisitor, keeps everyone honest.

Hostages. You can't attack the Inquisition, you'll lose your mouth piece and so on.

[JeffZero]

Aequitarians are the largest; Libertarians are probably second largest, yeah. They're up there with Loyalists, anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

To bring us on target a bit more. Lelianna would be pretty much our guaranteed spy master. I do like the theory of the two Hands of the Divine being unemployed. Though it does bear mentioning that according to Cass's wiki, she serves a different Divine than Leliana. Not sure how accurate that is, but if true, that would mean than the Divine(s)? Are each giving up one hand to deal with the Veil tearing.

 

Cass originally served Beatrix the third, not Justinia.

[JeffZero]

To bring us on target a bit more. Lelianna would be pretty much our guaranteed spy master. I do like the theory of the two Hands of the Divine being unemployed. Though it does bear mentioning that according to Cass's wiki, she serves a different Divine than Leliana. Not sure how accurate that is, but if true, that would mean than the Divine(s)? Are each giving up one hand to deal with the Veil tearing.

Wha... how could she serve a different Divine? She sure ain't from Tevinter.

[Master Warder Z_]

Aequtarians are the largest; Libertarians are probably second largest, yeah. They're up there with Loyalists, anyway.

 

I'm skimming WOT and a few online sources but i am finding nothing about the sizes here.

 

Seems folks are just assuming.