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[Master Warder Z_]

Yet you will have to admit that the Libertarians aren't the smallest of fraternities, and they have enough leverage to have a Libertarian as Grand Enchanter despite the Aequitarians being the largest fraternity.

 

I admit little to nothing here, there isn't anything to counter that they aren't a minority here, besides you heard the same garbage in the Magi Origin the Moderates were softening on the loonies positions, that alliance may have been what got Fiona into office, not any vast majority of number.

[GVulture]

ANYWAYS. Varric might make a good merchant liasion but not a spy master. Plus, he will be too busy firing bolts into heads to be trading bolts of silk.

[Hellion Rex]

What in the hell do Fraternities have to do with the topic?

[ZombieMasterDW]

Given that Wynne killed the vote once, and would have done so again, it's not much of an assumption that most Mages do not feel strongly for separation. If not for Rhys changing the vote of the entire fraternity, without consultation and counter to how his mother would have voted, there still wouldn't have been a war.

 

 

After Kirkwall the templars were getting more strict with every circle and Adrian mentioned that some first enchanters were starting to consider voting for seperation. If the templars were just going to keep cracking down on the mages and hide that Pharamond's discovery that tranquility could be reversed than the mages would probably have rebelled eventually.

[JeffZero]

I read it less then a month ago myself and i will say this, if it was a majority or mentioned as such in Asunder why wouldn't the novel be a cited source then?

Its events are detailed on the page, and yet it makes no mention of their numbers being overly great in the Novel or description.

Its people are clinging to grammar and phrasing over confirmed sources.

Why aren't *any* of the fraternities' estimated sizes linked to Asunder? I couldn't tell you. Oversight and/or a lack of clear understanding with regard to the 101 of Wiki construction.

I guess someone is going to need to go over the book again with a fine tooth comb to see if there's any specific mention of the size. That or the game scripts, unless they contradict; that'd just be gravy on a biscuit.

I'm just going to back out of this regardless though (although I may grab Asunder off my bookshelf when I'm home later and report my findings) because getting involved in lore minutiae debates when I've only been a fan two months isn't wise.

Seven hells, I don't like doing it with franchises I've been a fan of all my life, even. Call me when we're arguing over how cute Leliana is.

[TK514]

ANYWAYS. Varric might make a good merchant liasion but not a spy master. Plus, he will be too busy firing bolts into heads to be trading bolts of silk.

He multitasks well. Leli just never struck me as the spymaster type. Great field agent, sure, but not an organizer.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Varric actually would have probably been great in the merchant position.

 

I think we can still basically count him out of these positions, though, since he's a confirmed party member. 

[Hellion Rex]

@Jeff, Z, drop it and move on.

 

 

On topic, I wonder if Cullen would be a major leader of a Templar faction that we can ally with. Would he be a Knight Commander now too?

[ZombieMasterDW]

What in the hell do Fraternities have to do with the topic?

 

 

I know, I know. I feel bad about constantly going off topic, but that guy is acting so smugly it's hard not to try to argue against his obvious prejudice against mages.

[TK514]

After Kirkwall the templars were getting more strict with every circle and Adrian mentioned that some first enchanters were starting to consider voting for seperation. If the templars were just going to keep cracking down on the mages and hide that Pharamond's discovery that tranquility could be reversed than the mages would probably have rebelled eventually.

Oh, well, if we're going to use Adrian as an unbiased, credible source...

[GVulture]

So you're more like a Mercenary than a legitimate agent of the Inquisition? Makes sense.

Or like the only one for the job. Like Shepard being the only one with the Prothean vision. The Inquisitor is the only one that cam "fix" the Veil. With the secondary objective to seeing if someone is behind them. Everything else is window dressing and politics.

[Hellion Rex]

I know, I know. I feel bad about constantly going off topic, but that guy is acting so smugly it's hard not to try to argue against his obvious prejudice against mages.

I get it, trust me, I do. But this is neither the time nor the place. Save it for mage vs. templar threads.

[ZombieMasterDW]

@Jeff, Z, drop it and move on.

 

 

On topic, I wonder if Cullen would be a major leader of a Templar faction that we can ally with. Would he be a Knight Commander now too?

 

 

That's plausible. Cullen probably would have assumed Meredith's position after her death, so it's quite likely that he could be an influential member of a non-extremist faction of templars.

[JeffZero]

@Jeff, Z, drop it and move on.

I'd have paid to move on, even.

[GVulture]

He multitasks well. Leli just never struck me as the spymaster type. Great field agent, sure, but not an organizer.

You don't become the Left Hand without learning to delegate. She says the only reason she came to Kirkwall herself was to be an unbiased eye and not get filtered info.

[ElitePinecone]

To bring us on target a bit more. Lelianna would be pretty much our guaranteed spy master. I do like the theory of the two Hands of the Divine being unemployed. Though it does bear mentioning that according to Cass's wiki, she serves a different Divine than Leliana. Not sure how accurate that is, but if true, that would mean than the Divine(s)? Are each giving up one hand to deal with the Veil tearing.

Fits with the Inquisitions original role as the Dragon age's version of the Spectres. By all interested parties having a "place" with the Inquisitor, keeps everyone honest.

Hostages. You can't attack the Inquisition, you'll lose your mouth piece and so on.

 

I think Cassandra's Wiki entry was talking about the Divine before Justinia.

 

The Dawn of the Seeker anime takes place 20 years before DA2/DA:I.

[GVulture]

That's plausible. Cullen probably would have assumed Meredith's position after her death, so it's quite likely that he could be an influential member of a non-extremist faction of templars.

Which would be very useful in getting rebellious mages to simmer down.

[Xilizhra]

Which would be very useful in getting rebellious mages to simmer down.

So, he'd remain tied to the Chantry? Why should the mages trust them any more?

[Master Warder Z_]

On topic, I wonder if Cullen would be a major leader of a Templar faction that we can ally with. Would he be a Knight Commander now too?

 

In my DA post Asunder Fanfiction i made him the interim commander of the Templars of Kirkwall, he attended the meeting where Lambert called forth them as such.

 

So i would give a cautious maybe, Given that he was acting Knight Captain at the death of Meredith.

[ElitePinecone]

I always thought our Inquisitor was going to be high-up individual of the order.

 

It's gonna feel weird playing a Thedas-saving badass who's constantly under the boots of three other characters.

 

The Inquisitor is the leader of the Inquisition. Cullen/Leliana/Scribe Lady would be subordinate to the player.

 

But this theory is that they are "leaders", in a sense, of separate parts of the Inquisition - reporting to the Inquisitor. Sub-commanders, maybe,

 

Lacking a better word, I used "leaders", but not in the sense that they outrank the player.

[JeffZero]

The Inquisitor is the leader of the Inquisition. Cullen/Leliana/Scribe Lady would be subordinate to the player.

But this theory is that they are "leaders", in a sense, of separate parts of the Inquisition - reporting to the Inquisitor. Sub-commanders, maybe,

Lacking a better word, I used "leaders", but not in the sense that they outrank the player.

That's what I was attempting to convey, yeah.

Normally I prefer having someone above me in BioWare games, actually (and it's always fun when the plot has us go renegade too) but this is a pretty nifty unique scenario and I look forward to being totally accountable.

[ZombieMasterDW]

It would be best if there is multiple choices for you to select who your sub-commanders could be.

[JeffZero]

That'd be cool but I don't see it happening myself. At least not until later in the game. It'd be a great deal of work to rearrange major roles like that.

But hey, you never know until you go.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It would be best if there is multiple choices for you to select who your sub-commanders could be.

It would be, but it would be kind of resource intense, so I sort of doubt it. Maybe, instead of that, you can sort of influence them into serving the sides of issues you want them to be on. They might still have an "I don't know about this" attitude, but you're the only one that can fix things, so what else are they going to do?