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Leliana, Cullen and Scribe Lady - the Inquisition's advisors?


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See now you are clinging to game mechanics as a defense when we have no idea if we will even be gaining advisers, for all we know it could be a dictatorship.

Well, that's the topic. If he's not an adviser then, who knows? He might not even be in the game at all.



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I sort of doubt the three adviser can leave. I think it would be too game breaking if they did. Whoever the three advisers are, I think we are going to be stuck with them the whole way through. 

This. If Cullen is the militaristic adviser (which I still see him with more companion potential than anything), he would have support the Inquisitor no matter what. Which he would only do if ordered by the Chantry to do so. Which... I can kinda see them doing that since the Inquisitor NEEDS an army and borrowing some Templars would be the fastest way of getting one. That just leaves to question the role of the Red Templars and their issues with the Inquisitor.



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Well, that's the topic. If he's not an adviser then, who knows? He might not even be in the game at all.

 

Wouldn't bother me overly to be honest.



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Known by whom? A pro-templar Hawke? How would that information reach the mages at all, especially since his "moderation" could only barely be called that?

The Seekers, after questioning survivors in Kirkwall. You think that Varric is the only one they talked to? You don't exactly stand up to Meredith (either ending) and not have that get noticed. Or, you know... support a mage becoming Viscount after Meredith is dead. (power... is all mine, BWAHAHA!)



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This. If Cullen is the militaristic adviser (which I still see him with more companion potential than anything), he would have support the Inquisitor no matter what. Which he would only do if ordered by the Chantry to do so. Which... I can kinda see them doing that since the Inquisitor NEEDS an army and borrowing some Templars would be the fastest way of getting one. That just leaves to question the role of the Red Templars and their issues with the Inquisitor.

 

The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition. This has been pointed out several times now.

 

If Cullen joins the Inquisition, I suspect it is because the Chantry is no longer a functioning organisation that he supports. It either collapses at the start of the game, or it gets taken over by someone with whom he, Leliana and Cassandra disagree.

 

The Inquisition is thus literally a refuge for people across Thedas who want to organise a way to stop the demonic invasion, but have no other authority or organisation to turn to. 


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The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition. This has been pointed out several times now.

 

If Cullen joins the Inquisition, I suspect it is because the Chantry is no longer a functioning organisation that he supports. It either collapses at the start of the game, or it gets taken over by someone with whom he, Leliana and Cassandra disagree.

 

The Inquisition is thus literally a refuge for people across Thedas who want to organise a way to stop the demonic invasion, but have no other authority or organisation to turn to. 

*imagines Rebellious Ex-Knight Captain Cullen* Oh my. *fans self*


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The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition. This has been pointed out several times now.

 

Dev comment stated it was created in opposition to the Chantry, not that they opposed it.



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Would you say the same about Fiona, Evangeline, Adrian, or Rhys being allowed leadership positions?


I would consider Fiona, given her history as a Warden, assuming that she respects the chain of command of the Inquisitor, and could bring a plethora of mages under the banner of the Inquisition.

And I think Cass is gonna have a leadership position regardless of you liking it or not, to be honest.


I certainly hope I'm not railroaded into that being the case; I prefer having agency during my comrades, and the lieutenants of the organization that's supposed to be shaped by the player.

Honestly, I thought Dragon Age II making most of the companions mandatory was a mistake. For a pro-templar run, having to accept apostates is a hard line of thought to process; I'd prefer to avoid those kind of complications in Inquisition, where I'm forced to accept companions because the Plot Dictates.
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The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition but we still don't know why the Chantry is opposed to it. The Divine seems to be a progressive thinker, whose opinions don't always match with traditional Chantry doctrine. Perhaps most of the Chantry is opposed to the Innquisition but it's core of power; the Divine, Leliana, Cassandra, (possibly Cullen) etc. are supportive of the Inquisition.



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What if the Chantry as we know it ceases to exist?

The devs have said that the Inquisition is directly pitted against the Chantry.

But Cullen/Leliana/Cassandra are clearly working for the Inquisition, and not for the Chantry - there's no guarantee that they support the leadership of that organisation, particularly if Justinia dies.


I'm pro-choice. I prefer being able to decide who my companions are, and who would be designated to handle leadership positions under my direct supervision and authority. Having companions who may have clouded views on magic or religion would be problematic for certain runs.
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Wow! Things went a little volatile since I last came here! I just love to be the spark that starts a fire. It remindes me of the old Maker related topics that set the BSN ablaze. Good old times. It warms my heart.  ^_^

 

OP, I think that your title is a little confusing. People might think that Cullen, Leliana and Scribe Girl are the leaders while you're the guy that just fixes the tears.

 

I think the term " the Inquisitor's commanders/ advisors " would be a better fit.


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The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition but we still don't know why the Chantry is opposed to it. The Divine seems to be a progressive thinker, whose opinions don't always match with traditional Chantry doctrine. Perhaps most of the Chantry is opposed to the Innquisition but it's core of power; the Divine, Leliana, Cassandra, (possibly Cullen) etc. are supportive of the Inquisition.

 

Or the Divine might be dead.

 

The plot summary for DA:I in the September 2012 marketing survey says:

 

"... when a desperate gathering in the name of peace becomes the epicentre of a magical blast that decimates the Chantry's leadership, it becomes clear that someone or something is manipulating events to drive the world into chaos."



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The Chantry is opposed to the Inquisition but we still don't know why the Chantry is opposed to it. The Divine seems to be a progressive thinker, whose opinions don't always match with traditional Chantry doctrine. Perhaps most of the Chantry is opposed to the Innquisition but it's core of power; the Divine, Leliana, Cassandra, (possibly Cullen) etc. are supportive of the Inquisition.

We don't know that the Chantry is opposed to the inquisition.  We know that the Inquisition CAN be opposed to the chantry. But going by artwork showing the divine crowing the inquisitor, the Chantry is most certainly not default opposed to the Inquisition. 

 

Other then the same way that most countries/organizations will be naturally opposed to a random group of soldiers and armed forces showing up and doing their own thing.


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We don't know that the Chantry is opposed to the inquisition.  We know that the Inquisition CAN be opposed to the chantry. But going by artwork showing the divine crowing the inquisitor, the Chantry is most certainly not default opposed to the Inquisition. 

 

Other then the same way that most countries/organizations will be naturally opposed to a random group of soldiers and armed forces showing up and doing their own thing.

Looked more like Leliana and Cassandra in that art to me, unless you are thinking of a different one.



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Or the Divine might be dead.

 

The plot summary for DA:I in the September 2012 marketing survey says:

 

"... when a desperate gathering in the name of peace becomes the epicentre of a magical blast that decimates the Chantry's leadership, it becomes clear that someone or something is manipulating events to drive the world into chaos."

 

 

I had never heard that, that sounds very interesting. I guess it is quite possible that the Divine is dead and there's a real vacuum of power in the Chantry. But I suppose if Cassandra and Leliana survived so could Justinia, maybe it was the Grand Clerics who were killed. At any rate you will probably interact with people who represent various factions, including the Chantry. But who the Chantry's representative would be is open to a lot of speculation, it could be someone like Leliana or Cullen.



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Leliana doesn`t really fit the "advisor" role, to be honest.



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Wait a second! The events from Asunder happened after Kirkwall. Divine Justinia is alive and well.



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Leliana doesn`t really fit the "advisor" role, to be honest.

 

True, she seems like more of a "hands on" type. She would have a more active role than advisor/liason.



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Wait a second! The events from Asunder happened after Kirkwall. Justinia is alive and well.

 

DAI happens after DA 2 and Asunder.

 

._. She could still die at the Peace Conference.



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Or the Divine might be dead.

 

The plot summary for DA:I in the September 2012 marketing survey says:

 

"... when a desperate gathering in the name of peace becomes the epicentre of a magical blast that decimates the Chantry's leadership, it becomes clear that someone or something is manipulating events to drive the world into chaos."

I don't think Justinia is dead.  She could be, I just don't think with the development bioware has put into her that she is going to die like that.  Again she may, but bioware isn't quite George RR Martin.



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DAI happens after DA 2 and Asunder.

 

._. She could still die at the Peace Conference.

You just wanna kill her off.



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Wait a second! The events from Asunder happened after Kirkwall. Divine Justinia is alive and well.

 

But she might have died after the events of Asunder.



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You just wanna kill her off.

 

No Elu, i want to replace her.

 

Murdering her just makes her stupid ideology that of a Martyrs and not that of an inept leader.



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Leliana doesn`t really fit the "advisor" role, to be honest.

 

The OP changed the title from "leaders" to "advisors" to prevent the confusion of people thinking that they are the leaders while you are just the guy that fixes things.

 

He didn't refer to them as just advisors, but also as the  head managers of a certain aspect of the Inquisition.

 

Cullen - army, war assests and everything war related

 

Scribe Girl - commerce, traiding, treasury management

 

Leliana - spying, info gathering, sabotage, maybe assassinations  :devil:

 

They would answer only to the Inquisitor and maybe some other important members like Cass. They would be his council members.



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I don't think Justinia is dead.  She could be, I just don't think with the development bioware has put into her that she is going to die like that.  Again she may, but bioware isn't quite George RR Martin.

They're not far off. Poor Riordan.