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[RaduM]

According to this :

 

http://forum.bioware...sition-preview/

 

There will be 40 endings.

 

Okay, grain of salt, sure, but even so.

 

Bioware, people were burned the last time the moon and stars were promised to them. I'm talking ME3's ending, which, people were expencting a DA:O-caliber epilogue and instead got a rushed (yes, when cut dialogue mentions Geth Primes under the command of Shepard, the actual ending, which features NO War Assets present, despite there being dialogue, thus vision, intended for it, that gets to be called rushed ) DA2-like ending.

 

So, is this for real? Or are we just talking cutscenes with Fade Tears closing in 40 different colors?

 

Now, 40 endings are A LOT and most likely an "ending" represents a certain combination of "plot states" for multiple "plot threads". Something along the lines of :

 

1) Continent-spanning conflicts

- The issue with the Fade (Destroy/Control/Synthesis)

 

(And yes, I know I am mean, but Bioware should not be left to live ME3 down, not after that whole "artistic integrity" display of hubris)

 

- Mage/Templar War (Likely connected with the Fade Tears)

- The Elven Question (possibly continental issue of rallying Alienages and setting up an Inquisition-friendly Elven State in the Dales)

 

2) Regional Conflicts

 

- Orlais Civil War (Celene or Gaspard) (Bonus : Elven Alienages and the Dales)

- ??? Ferelden Legitimacy Troubles ??? Mac Tir (Anora) vs Guerrin (Eamon/Teagan/Alistair) ???  (Ferelden) (Orlesian spill-over also possible) (Bonus : Elven Alienages)

- ??? Kirkwall rule Succession ??? void left in the wake of death of Meredith and/or disappearance of Hawke ??? Civil War In Kirkwall, Involvement From Other Free Cities ??? (Free Marches) (Bonus : Qunari Invasion Part 2)

- ??? Nevarran Royal Troubles ??? Sickly king a puppet to necromancer mages ??? Possible Tevinter Angle ??? (Bonus : Accentuated Mage/Templar violence) (Nevarra)

 

In which case, especially if there is interplay between these, meaning that Thedas with Fade Tears closed and Mages Suppressed will look very different from Thedas with Fade Tears closed and Templars Suppressed, yes, I could definitely see that large number of endings.

 

It's just again, ME3 was hyped and all promises of a glorious finale were left up in the air. Hopefully Bioware has not bitten more than it can (promise to) chew yet again.

[The Elder King]

I think it'll be like DAO (small number of based endings plus variations based on the choices made i the game), unless a Bioware devs confirmed it.

[TheLittleBird]

I think it'll be like DAO (small number of based endings plus variations based on the choices made i the game), unless a Bioware devs confirmed it.

 

Yeah. I'm thinking this too.

 

It's hard to not get extremely excited over this news, but I'm trying to take everything with a little grain of salt as not to get disappointed.

[JeffZero]

The salt route is the best route. Too much sodium causes hypertension.

[TheLittleBird]

The salt route is the best route. Too much sodium causes hypertension.

 

Wait..... what?

[JeffZero]

Wait..... what?

You know, it's... bad to have too much salt, so only take things with a grain of it.

...I just woke up, OK!

[TheLittleBird]

You know, it's... bad to have too much salt, so only take things with a grain of it.

...I just woke up, OK!

 

Me too. That's probably why I didn't get it.

 

Good one! 

[Wulfram]

I don't think counting endings is a useful way to assess.  I mean, I'd rather have substantive changes than little nods here and there - though I want the little nods too, don't get me wrong - but there's no objective standard for what counts as substantive.

[Teddie Sage]

I want to believe it will be one to three endings again with forty different variations. I'm keeping my expectations low after the Mass Effect 3 heartbreak. If it happens to be actual 40 different endings, then hey, I will gladly replay the game again and again.

[9TailsFox]

It must be done. And i am sorry. But DA is not ME so I don't worry at all DA lead write still David Gaider.

[Darth Krytie]

I'm still holding out for a vid where Darrah explains this in depth. I don't trust information in magazines as gospel, generally.

[Nightdragon8]

as long as they don't make paradox kind of endings where everyone is turned into a demon or darkspawn or even dragonkin of some kind...

 

if its not of the "world changing" type endings then i say go for it. otherwise you will do what Mass Effect did and paint themselves into a corner with no way feesibly way out. other than to reboot the series... or attempt a prequel... 

 

but agian a prequel would be at max like 20-30 years before shep. so nothing much would happen.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

It must be done. And i am sorry. But DA is not ME so I don't worry at all DA lead write still David Gaider.

Yes but Dragon Age 2, he also wrote/approved of that.

[wright1978]

I'm less concerned with the sheer number of ending variations but much more keen on goo delivery of endings and how rewarding they feel to choices made. ME3's trainwreck ending certainly means i'll never be complacent about endings again but i'm more in the with hope and optimism camp than cynically despairing.

[JeffZero]

I'm less concerned with the sheer number of ending variations but much more keen on goo delivery of endings and how rewarding they feel to choices made. ME3's trainwreck ending certainly means i'll never be complacent about endings again but i'm more in the with hope and optimism camp than cynically despairing.

Crackpot theory: there's no DLC companion because the writers are too busy in the preliminary stages of penning Extended Cut and its direct sequel, Extended Cuttier, just in case.

[Lillian]

...Why couldn't it be fifty?! So many more jokes to make... Especially when addressing colors.

[Uccio]

Haha! I too have this image of ME3 with colours in my head.

 

  

[Gwydden]

The first thing I thought when I read that was "but didn't they same ME3 would have 16 endings or some such?" but then I realised that "they" are the ME3 team, and I shouldn't hold that on the DA team. Until we get more information or, better yet, actually play the game, I will remain skeptic but not overly so.

 

Also, if true, this supports the idea that after DAI the import system will be scrapped or rebooted.

[RaduM]

The first thing I thought when I read that was "but didn't they same ME3 would have 16 endings or some such?" but then I realised that "they" are the ME3 team, and I shouldn't hold that on the DA team. Until we get more information or, better yet, actually play the game, I will remain skeptic but not overly so.

 

Also, if true, this supports the idea that after DAI the import system will be scrapped or rebooted.

 

Then again, these other "they" gave us the DA2 ending, which for me, felt just as hollow as ME3 with the only saving grace for DA2 being that they would clearly make another game while ME3 was "final".

 

Gah, I can't seem to find this post from Bioware's Allan Schumacher (I think it belongs to him, or was it David Gaider?) where he explained that, in fact, DA:O was supposed to be Hawke's origin story (so Hawke and the Warden were supposed to be the same person?) and DA2 was supposed to be this "smaller" , "more experimental" game that bridges DA:O and DA:I. So a kind of "Dragon Age : Kirkwall". DA:K if you will

 

And when you look at DA2 as this "experimental bridge", suddenly things actually make sense, why DA2 was the way it was. Too bad, DA2 was hyped (and priced!) as a fully fledged DA:O 2.

 

And that's what it comes down to, really.

 

All the flak Bioware receives is of their own making, it is the natural blowback to thoughtless, spineless hype.

 

If they refrain from hyping their game beyond their capability to actually get stuff done, people will even go the extra mile to forgive inconsistencies.

 

For instance, do you really hear people referencing complaints of ME1? Valid complaints like "Why did Sovereign/Saren bother with Eden Prime instead of launching their Citadel invasion immediately?". Or that ME1 has exactly 2 (two!) different Rifle Models ? Or that Armors are practically just palette-swapped? Or heck, that ME1 uses the same copy/pasted models for uncharted planet buildings ?

 

In other words, some of the very reasons for which DA2 is slagged, ME1 is given a pass.

 

Why?

 

ME1 delivered what it promised.

DA2, ME3 promised MORE than they delivered, so they get the mallet, and rightfully so.

 

Worse yet, not once, has anybody at Bioware, ever performed a "Mea Culpa", instead we get "artistic vision"-class of replies even though everybody can see the Emperor has no clothes.

 

In the end, as long as what is delivered matches what is promised, even glaring imperfections are forgiven. And that's really all there is to it.

 

Reign in the hype, the rapacious marketing and it's smooth sailing.

[9TailsFox]

Yes but Dragon Age 2, he also wrote/approved of that.

I am sorry i don't understand what you mean. I don't have problem whit DA2 well it is to open for me but still I don't see big logic problems like in ME3 there 'Hi i am leader of your enemy trust me   I see you have big fleet so I let you  to die in 1 of 3 ways." I steel don't understand how is it possible believe even one word of your enemy.

[9TailsFox]

...Why couldn't it be fifty?! So many more jokes to make... Especially when addressing colors.

fifty is not enough

 

[Lillian]

fifty is not enough

 

It's enough if you're only handling grays-

[The Antagonist]

The German magazine said some endings are different in nuance, now OXM says there won't only be slight variations. Who to believe?

[RaduM]

The German magazine said some endings are different in nuance, now OXM says there won't only be slight variations. Who to believe?

 

Middle ground I guess.

 

Personally, if it comes down to 3-to-5 "main world states" (I'm thinking various ways of addressing the Big Issues of Fade Tears and Mage vs Templar) + "other smaller scale consequences" (How do you deal with regional contingencies like the Orlesian Civil War), and all these are done at least as well as DA:O aquitted itself of its own ending, then I would be happy.

[9TailsFox]

The German magazine said some endings are different in nuance, now OXM says there won't only be slight variations. Who to believe?

You believe in the Maker David Gaider.