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[ElitePinecone]

Well someone is being kept kinda secret aren't they? Sure we have seen allot of people in concept art but they aren't all companions and many of them have not been depicted as actually in the party, 

 

No.

 

There are seven characters who have been seen ether in gameplay or in the Inquisitor's party in concept art. The evidence for those is overwhelming.

 

They've confirmed Varric, Vivienne, Cassandra, the Iron Bull and Solas as companions. Sera and the Grey Warden have been seen in either press previews or actual gameplay. That's seven.

 

Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy has been seen in three pieces of concept art as part of the Inquisition's party. That's eight. 

 

Cole was named in the survey as a companion. I don't see any reason to believe that has changed. That's nine. Leliana, the Scribe Lady or Cullen were pictured with the Inquisitor, but I believe they're major NPCs and members of the Inquisition.

 

Not a single other character has ever been named or seen as a party member, in any piece of concept art or gameplay footage. Period. 

[SerriceIceDandy]

In regards to the classes we're expecting: I think we're missing the dual-wielding rogue, since Varric and Sera both fight with ranged weapons. I'd think the Grey Warden is unlikely to be a rogue purely because his concept art has him drawn out as more of a warrior. With that being said, between Him, Cassandra and Iron Bull we have a good mix of warriors, even allowing for one of each kind. That being said, we have the Apostate (possibly dalish/nature¹) Mage in Solas, and the Circle (possibly healer²) mage in Vivienne; might we have room for a blood mage? A nice 3/3/3 alignment on classes, and their respective fighting styles.

¹ Yet to encounter a Mage character who has access to the nature tree who wasn't Dalish.

² Similarly, Wynne, Anders & Bethany were all circle mages at some point, and all of them tend to lean towards the healing tree.

[Sylvianus]

Just had a scary thought.

If Cullen's not a companion his fans might start a forum wide riot that dwarfs the BSN's Great Miranda Schism and cause multiple sections to be shutdown.

 

I think they are ready to be disappointed. There won't be riots, they might complain, but mostly in their own thread.

 

I think [ if it happens ] there will be more people asking why we got three mages and not a single templar ( and Cassandra doesn't count ) . That would seem a bit unbalanced in a story that resolves a bit around a war between mages and templars. 

[azarhal]

Well, there was this.

 

... and this.

... and this.

 

So dev commenting on characters and written fanfic means they are in the game now?

 

I guess Zevran is coming back then as party member then, because Gaider wrote a small fanfic about him 6 months ago.

[The Hierophant]

I think they are ready to be disappointed. There won't be riots, they might complain, but mostly in their own thread.
 
I think [ if it happens ] there will be more people asking why we got three mages and not a single templar ( and Cassandra doesn't count ) . That would seem a bit unbalanced in a story that resolves a bit around a war between mages and templars.

I hear you. That seems unbalanced, but you know what they say about being prepared for the worst. I got a few boxes of Pop Secret at the ready.

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

Cole was named in the survey as a companion. I don't see any reason to believe that has changed. 

I doubt it. Cole is very specific. Only Rhys can saw him. Also he was never mentioned after the pool. Unless Scribe girl was three times near companions.

[Amarettibiskits]

Well, there was this.

 

... and this.

... and this.

 

Gaider likes the character, which isn't surprising since I think he created him and wrote a book about him. Don't think it suggests he's in the game.

[ElitePinecone]

In regards to the classes we're expecting: I think we're missing the dual-wielding rogue, since Varric and Sera both fight with ranged weapons. I'd think the Grey Warden is unlikely to be a rogue purely because his concept art has him drawn out as more of a warrior. With that being said, between Him, Cassandra and Iron Bull we have a good mix of warriors, even allowing for one of each kind. That being said, we have the Apostate (possibly dalish/nature¹) Mage in Solas, and the Circle (possibly healer²) mage in Vivienne; might we have room for a blood mage? A nice 3/3/3 alignment on classes, and their respective fighting styles.

¹ Yet to encounter a Mage character who has access to the nature tree who wasn't Dalish.

² Similarly, Wynne, Anders & Bethany were all circle mages at some point, and all of them tend to lean towards the healing tree.

 

(Firstly I love that your post has footnotes )

 

I believe every companion has access to every role inside their class, now - and given the way health works in DAI, healing magic might be significantly changed anyway. I don't think we can assume that skillsets and fighting styles necessarily work the same way as DA2/Origins, basically.

 

That said, both Varric and Sera have been shown primarily as archers (and Varric might be confined to Bianca), so I wouldn't be surprised if a third rogue was intended to use daggers. 

[ElitePinecone]

So dev commenting on characters and written fanfic means they are in the game now?

 

I guess Zevran is coming back then as party member then, because Gaider wrote a small fanfic about him 6 months ago.

 

If you read the first story again, it's actually set after Asunder.

 

Who is Cole talking to?

[azarhal]

If you read the first story again, it's actually set after Asunder.

 

Who is Cole talking to?

 

Why does it matter who he is talking to? Gaider can make characters talk to who ever he want when he is writing his "fanfics" in his blog. They are no game material, he is just showing his love for his characters.

[ElitePinecone]

Gaider likes the character, which isn't surprising since I think he created him and wrote a book about him. Don't think it suggests he's in the game.

 

No, but at this point there's an awful lot more evidence for Cole than anybody else, at least for that ninth spot - and I doubt David would still be talking about him this much, if Cole wasn't in the game. They've already mentioned a character from Asunder will be in the game, and Cole is at least as likely as Rhys or Evangeline to appear in some form. If I had to guess, actually, part of his reason for being included in Asunder was setting up his character for Inquisition.

 

(There's also the two or three Cole character threads where David was questioning why people would ever want him as an LI, and a comment on Twitter about having to block out fan-fiction of a certain character once the game launches.)

[ElitePinecone]

Why does it matter who he is talking to? Gaider can make characters talk to who ever he want when he is writing his "fanfics" in his blog. They are no game material, he is just showing his love for his characters.

 

If we end up meeting Cole in an abandoned Chantry in Inquisition just before he joins the party, then, I suppose we can consider David's fanfiction to be unusually prescient. 

[Amarettibiskits]

No, but at this point there's an awful lot more evidence for Cole than anybody else, at least for that ninth spot - and I doubt David would still be talking about him this much, if Cole wasn't in the game. They've already mentioned a character from Asunder will be in the game, and Cole is at least as likely as Rhys or Evangeline to appear in some form. If I had to guess, actually, part of his reason for being included in Asunder was setting up his character for Inquisition.

 

(There's also the two or three Cole character threads where David was questioning why people would ever want him as an LI, and a comment on Twitter about having to block out fan-fiction of a certain character once the game launches.)

 

Nothing's set in stone, but I would say that Cullen and Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy have more evidence for them, since they've been featured in multiple concept art, whereas Cole has only been mentioned in the initial survey from a very long time ago. Concept art doesn't prove any character is necessarily a companion, but the total lack of concept art for Cole of any kind makes me wonder why people are so positive he's even in the game at all, let alone as a companion.

 

Gaider questioning why people would want Cole as LI is just Gaider taking people to task for entertaining a fairly gross idea. A character doesn't have to be in the game for a writer to comment on fan interpretation of him - again, he created and wrote the character so I don't think you can read too much into him commenting on a bunch of people totally misunderstanding a basic facet of Cole's personality.

 

Cole will almost certainly be further explored in some way at some point, but not as a companion and more likely in future novels or in further blog posts. Honestly, the number of posts Gaider has made about Cole leads me to believe more strongly that he ISN'T in the game, otherwise he'd be prohibited by gag rules concerning discussing companions before officially released info. 

[ahellbornlady]

I think Mustachio and Cullen are the most likely remaining companions but we shall see.

[BubbleDncr]

In regards to the classes we're expecting: I think we're missing the dual-wielding rogue, since Varric and Sera both fight with ranged weapons. I'd think the Grey Warden is unlikely to be a rogue purely because his concept art has him drawn out as more of a warrior. With that being said, between Him, Cassandra and Iron Bull we have a good mix of warriors, even allowing for one of each kind. That being said, we have the Apostate (possibly dalish/nature¹) Mage in Solas, and the Circle (possibly healer²) mage in Vivienne; might we have room for a blood mage? A nice 3/3/3 alignment on classes, and their respective fighting styles.

¹ Yet to encounter a Mage character who has access to the nature tree who wasn't Dalish.

² Similarly, Wynne, Anders & Bethany were all circle mages at some point, and all of them tend to lean towards the healing tree.

 

The leaked survey called out Cole as being a rogue. So if he is a companion, he'll probably fill the spot of "dual-wielding rogue"

[DarkKnightHolmes]

David Gaider loves Cole as a character. I can't imagine why he'd not put in his favourite character in the game.

 

Also, if Cole doesn't make it, it would be kinda stupid that they had a whole book around him and shroud him in so much mystery and then not use him at all.

[BubbleDncr]

David Gaider loves Cole as a character. I can't imagine why he'd not put in his favourite character in the game.

 

Also, if Cole doesn't make it, it would be kinda stupid that they had a whole book around him and shroud him in so much mystery and then not use him at all.

 

I don't consider the book to be about him, but more about the split of the Templars and Mages.

 

But the first 2 DA books were all about Maric, and he hasn't actually been in any game. And the upcoming book is about Celene and some elf spy - but no one's claiming any of them will be companions.

 

I actually think they prefer to not put characters from the books into important roles, because then the people who haven't read the books are at a disservice. I mean, look at the ME books - they had pretty much no bearing on the games, with only cameo appearances from its characters.

 

Not saying Cole isn't likely to be a companion, but just cos he's in the book doesn't make it any more likely he'd be a companion.

[happy_daiz]

David Gaider loves Cole as a character. I can't imagine why he'd not put in his favourite character in the game.

 

Also, if Cole doesn't make it, it would be kinda stupid that they had a whole book around him and shroud him in so much mystery and then not use him at all.

 

Cole was a support character, at best. I'd consider Evangeline and Rhys much more central to Asunder's story than Cole.

 

Even Wynne had a bigger part to play than the invisible murder-knifing "rogue" sociopath that could barely wield a dagger.

 

Honestly, if BW was going to continue going down a path of having a follower with an extra spirit "passenger", someone else from Asunder might be more appropriate. In more ways than one. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I don't consider the book to be about him, but more about the split of the Templars and Mages.

 

But the first 2 DA books were all about Maric, and he hasn't actually been in any game. And the upcoming book is about Celene and some elf spy - but no one's claiming any of them will be companions.

 

I actually think they prefer to not put characters from the books into important roles, because then the people who haven't read the books are at a disservice. I mean, look at the ME books - they had pretty much no bearing on the games, with only cameo appearances from its characters.

 

Not saying Cole isn't likely to be a companion, but just cos he's in the book doesn't make it any more likely he'd be a companion.

 

The first book was also about Loghain as much as Maric and the second book was also about Duncan and The Architect.

 

Also note that the books, Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne and Dragon Age: The Calling, came out before Dragon Age: Origin, the actual video game, so Cole wouldn't be the first character to go from being a book character to the video game and neither would he be the first book character to have an important role in the video game.

 

Plus Maric was still mentioned many time and his actions were mentioned many times and his legacy lived on with Alistair (Another favourite of David) in the game.

 

Lastly, the reason the ME books have no bearing on the game is because they're average at best and terrible at worst. *Cough* Mass Effect: Deception *Cough*. DA books are better by a milestone and the two first book proved that stuff that happens in the books does tend to link up with the

[azarhal]

The first book was also about Loghain as much as Maric and the second book was also about Duncan and The Architect.

 

Also note that the books, Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne and Dragon Age: The Calling, came out before Dragon Age: Origin, the actual video game, so Cole wouldn't be the first character to go from being a book character to the video game and neither would he be the first book character to have an important role in the video game.

 

Plus Maric was still mentioned many time and his actions were mentioned many times and his legacy lived on with Alistair (Another favourite of David) in the game.

 

Lastly, the reason the ME books have no bearing on the game is because they're average at best and terrible at worst. *Cough* Mass Effect: Deception *Cough*. DA books are better by a milestone and the two first book proved that stuff that happens in the books does tend to link up with the

 

Loghain and Duncan existance in DAO were known before the books came out. If EA didn't ask BioWare to push back DAO PC release to be with the console ones, the PC version would have released around the same time as Stolen Throne (orignal release date was March 2009).

 

Asunder was meant to show what caused Cassandra to be sent on her quest: the Chantry schism and mage/templar war (Varric mention them and the interrogation happens after the events in Asunder). It wasn't meant to introduce a future follower. Of course, some of the character in the book will show up in the game. We already know Leliana is...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Cole was a support character, at best. I'd consider Evangeline and Rhys much more central to Asunder's story than Cole.

 

Even Wynne had a bigger part to play than the invisible murder-knifing "rogue" sociopath that could barely wield a dagger.

 

Honestly, if BW was going to continue going down a path of having a follower with an extra spirit "passenger", someone else from Asunder might be more appropriate. In more ways than one. 

Cole is more than a support character. His the first character we're introduced to and has his past life explored where as the other characters don't get nearly enough detailed description of their lives. We also actually get to hear his thoughts and opinions on many things and they're are various inner monologue's involving him. The only other two characters to have that are Evangeline and Rhys.

 

Also his very centric to the plot. His the reason Lambert is brought in to deal with the tower. His the reason Rhys gets in trouble. His the reason Evangeline becomes less tougher on the mages. His the reason Lambert thought Rhys was a blood mage and caused this whole Mage-Templar war. His the reason Wynne didn't kill Evangeline in anger after Rhys was captured.. His the reason Rhys was even able to escape his cell. His the reason Lambert is missing right now.

 

For a support character, he sure gets a lot done.

 

Also barely wield a knife? The boy went toe to toe with darkspawns and fought an archdemon in Wynne's fade memory. I think he can fight just fine.

[BubbleDncr]

The first book was also about Loghain as much as Maric and the second book was also about Duncan and The Architect.

 

Also note that the books, Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne and Dragon Age: The Calling, came out before Dragon Age: Origin, the actual video game, so Cole wouldn't be the first character to go from being a book character to the video game and neither would he be the first book character to have an important role in the video game.

 

Plus Maric was still mentioned many time and his actions were mentioned many times and his legacy lived on with Alistair (Another favourite of David) in the game.

 

Lastly, the reason the ME books have no bearing on the game is because they're average at best and terrible at worst. *Cough* Mass Effect: Deception *Cough*. DA books are better by a milestone and the two first book proved that stuff that happens in the books does tend to link up with the

 

And Loghain was only a companion in some people's playthroughs, and neither Duncan nor the Architect ever were.

 

I never said he couldn't appear in the game, but I do think using the argument that he was in one of the books as evidence he will be a companion is flawed.

[ames4u]

Another female companion would be nice. We only have three so far.

[AlanC9]

I used to think Tallis would be back, but it seems unlikely now. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think they are ready to be disappointed. There won't be riots, they might complain, but mostly in their own thread.

 

I think [ if it happens ] there will be more people asking why we got three mages and not a single templar ( and Cassandra doesn't count ) . That would seem a bit unbalanced in a story that resolves a bit around a war between mages and templars. 

Gaider said on his blog that the templar/mage war wasn't supposed to be the main story arch of Inquisition, so I'm not sure it matters that much. Mage is an entire class in the game and templars are just a faction, so I doubt they're ever really going to be "even" in party representation. 

 

Honestly, I see Cassandra and Vivienne as representing the mage/templar conflict. I don't think other mages necessarily are there for that plot line. In DA:O, Wynne was representative of the circle mages, but Morrigan was wholly indifferent and her arch didn't relate to it at all. Merrill was basically the same, her story was entirely related to the Dalish. A character being a mage doesn't necessarily mean they have a strong stake in the mage/templar debate, from what we've seen.