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[azarhal]

Honestly, I see Cassandra and Vivienne as representing the mage/templar conflict. I don't think other mages necessarily are there for that plot line.

 

They are both pro-circles, how does that work? And Cassandra is going to like Vivienne going by her comment about the type of mages she believe should lead the circles in DotS (or she's going to regret believing that, lol).

 

But I agree that the game doesn't need companions for every factions at odds in the game. The Orlesian civil war, the mage/templar war, the Chantry schism, Ferelden's problems, Neverra's problems, Elven's issues, etc are all ambients for Inquisition's narrative, they are not the main goal.

[daveliam]

They are both pro-circles, how does that work? And Cassandra is going to like Vivienne going by her comment about the type of mages she believe should lead the circles in DotS (or she's going to regret believing that, lol).

 

But I agree that the game doesn't need companions for every factions at odds in the game. The Orlesian civil war, the mage/templar war, the Chantry schism, Ferelden's problems, Neverra's problems, Elven's issues, etc are all ambients for Inquisition's narrative, they are not the main goal.

 

Not only that, but DA 2 really focused very heavily on the opposition to the circle and the pro-rebellion argument with Anders story arch.  It was one of the three central themes in the game.  Yes, Carver, Fenris, and Sebastian all represented the "other side", but in reality, they were actually more "anti-mage" than "pro-circle".  Vivienne will be the first pro-circle companion since the rebellion took place.  Perhaps this game will focus more on that side of the argument and we won't have a distinctly "pro-rebellion" voice among the companions.

[Grieving Natashina]

Here's something interesting:  On the recently released food items, a bowl of wax fruit was on the list.  Hmm, someone that seems real but isn't, yet colorful as a person...

 

I still don't know how the writers could get Cole in without it seeming awkward for both the more causal fan as well as for those that read the books.

[Cairodin]

No.

 

There are seven characters who have been seen ether in gameplay or in the Inquisitor's party in concept art. The evidence for those is overwhelming.

 

They've confirmed Varric, Vivienne, Cassandra, the Iron Bull and Solas as companions. Sera and the Grey Warden have been seen in either press previews or actual gameplay. That's seven.

 

Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy has been seen in three pieces of concept art as part of the Inquisition's party. That's eight. 

 

Cole was named in the survey as a companion. I don't see any reason to believe that has changed. That's nine. Leliana, the Scribe Lady or Cullen were pictured with the Inquisitor, but I believe they're major NPCs and members of the Inquisition.

 

Not a single other character has ever been named or seen as a party member, in any piece of concept art or gameplay footage. Period. 

 

Scribe Girl, Mr. Moustache, Viv, Grey Warden, and Sera, beneath it appears to say "Companion Inventory."

 

 

This image provides at least a bit more convincing evidence that Scribe Girl could be a companion.  Mr. Moustache and Scribe Girl are my bets for the last two slots.  Cole has a compelling case via the survey, but no concept art backing it so far.  This makes Scribe Girl likely to be a rogue of some sort; a bard perhaps?

[azarhal]

Here's something interesting:  On the recently released food items, a bowl of wax fruit was on the list.

 

It was deceptive wax fruits, some people forget the adjectives but they are important (Cassandra is an extremely crusty baguette for example). Also, both Varric and Cassandra items were not in that list and it had 10 entries. We have 3 characters (we don't know what the Warden is) but 6 food items: shortbread, strawberry parfait, banana foster, surprise meatballs, deceptive wax fruit and giant rump roast.

 

I personally wouldn't use it to guess the two missing followers, it's impossible to know which of the food items are "trolls".

[daveliam]

Scribe Girl, Mr. Moustache, Viv, Grey Warden, and Sera, beneath it appears to say "Companion Inventory."

 

 

This image provides at least a bit more convincing evidence that Scribe Girl could be a companion.  Mr. Moustache and Scribe Girl are my bets for the last two slots.  Cole has a compelling case via the survey, but no concept art backing it so far.  This makes Scribe Girl likely to be a rogue of some sort; a bard perhaps?

 

I'm not sure if that picture necessarily indicates that Scribe Girl is a companion.  We don't know if they are all companions.  The "Companion Inventory" title probably refers to the paragraph below, which could be about anything, including the pictures above, but not necessarily.  I would be surprised if she was a companion only because we've never seen her with a weapon.  Companion concept art usually shows some indication of a character's class. 

 

I am also not convinced about Cole.  Now that we've seen Moustache Guy as a companion in some concept art, I think it's more likely that he is a mage and that makes me think he might be Dorian, the Tevinter Magister.  If that's the case, then Cole is out because we know that at least one of the two of them is no longer in the game, per the dev comment after the leak (provided we take that at face value).

 

Of course, all of that being said, I have no idea who the 9th companion will be unless it's Cullen, but I'm starting to become convinced that he is actually an advisor.  I'm stumped.  Maybe it it's someone we've overlooked?  Or someone who they have been purposefully keeping under wraps?  Who knows?

[LinksOcarina]

Perhaps there are more than nine companions....but we can only access nine companions at a time.

 

Which means, perhaps, we will be locked out of companions.

[Brass_Buckles]

Even as someone who really wants Cole to be a companion, I don't think he's going to be a companion.  Cullen is more likely, even though Cole would actually bring more to the game in relation to the overarching plot.  The only possible evidence for Cole is a screenshot that may include him--but it's more likely the Inquisitor in green armor.

 

Cole may show up or be mentioned in a side quest or something, however.  I suspect that he may have been removed due to people pressing to have him as a love interest, which his character really could not be.

 

I don't think Cullen is a certainty, either.  I think we will almost certainly see Dramatic Hands in the game, but the ninth companion could just as easily be someone who hasn't even been hinted at yet.

[sangy]

I'd have to say since we have such a good idea of the companions for the time being, I'm also interested on which cameos will appear in DA:I.  There hasn't been a game without Bodahn & Sandal.  They're a staple of the DA series.  As far as cameos I guess I am talking more about past companions from DA1 and DA2.  It is cool to see unexpected people too though.  I wouldn't be disappointed to see Herren and Wade back at it helping out the Inquisitor.  I have no high hopes or expectations for stuff like that.  I just really love the cameos of previous party members. 

 

I'd be a bit shocked if certain characters made no appearance at all. 

[Vapaa]

Even as someone who really wants Cole to be a companion, I don't think he's going to be a companion.  Cullen is more likely

 

 

How ? Cole was listed among the "Characters scenarios" unlike Cullen.

 

What points to Cullen being a companion ? Apart from a picture in the survey and his presence in the War room concept ?

 

Perhaps there are more than nine companions....but we can only access nine companions at a time.

 

Which means, perhaps, we will be locked out of companions.

 

No, please...no.

[Brass_Buckles]

How ? Cole was listed among the "Characters scenarios" unlike Cullen.

 

What points to Cullen being a companion ? Apart from a picture in the survey and his presence in the War room concept ?

 

 

No, please...no.

 

Well, we have seen actual concept art of Cullen, and none of Cole.  Not that there are screenshots of either of them, UNLESS that one screenshot with the party vs. a troll actually has Cole as the guy in green.  I would think if he were a planned party member, and had not been scrapped, we would see some representation of him somewhere.  The alternative would be if he is intentionally being left out, and was considered so integral to the game and its plot that he was the only character who was never on the chopping block.  Somehow I can't buy into that theory.  Our only hint that he may exist in the game is actually the "deceptive wax fruit" description, unattached to any character, that the devs tweeted. 

 

As for locked-in/locked-out companions... I'm not against that as long as it makes sense.  But I do not believe that is the case, in DA:I.  For instance, I'd be fine with it if I'm choosing between apostates and templars.  Obviously one group is going to have to die, or else I'll just lose their loyalty.  Might be that if I pick Solas, I can't have Cullen (assuming he exists in-game), for instance.  It would not make sense for certain characters to be willing to work together, and it would make for a game that is more replayable.  What I don't agree with is a situation like the start of DA2 where one sibling dies depending on which class we chose for our character.  While it did affect party balance, the only plot reason it happened was to provide angst for Hawke.  But, if I'm having to choose between an apostate and a templar, that decision has weight and meaning to the plot.

 

For DA:I though, I think there are nine total companions.  It is entirely possible we might lock out one or more of those companions depending how we play.  I don't think Bioware is going to turn around and say, "Surprise!  There are actually 10/11 companions, you just get to keep a total of nine!"

[carine]

I think other evidence for Cullen at the very least playing a *major* part is that his voice actor was doing voice work before the game was announced (I believe, or possibly sometime after). So on top of concept art, survey, and the voice acting leak from ages ago, I think Cullen has a much better chance than Cole.

 

Not saying that Cullen will be a companion, though, but I see him as more likely than Cole, who has only had the survey leak and no concept art whatsoever.

[Vapaa]

Well, we have seen actual concept art of Cullen, and none of Cole.  Not that there are screenshots of either of them, UNLESS that one screenshot with the party vs. a troll actually has Cole as the guy in green.  I would think if he were a planned party member, and had not been scrapped, we would see some representation of him somewhere.  The alternative would be if he is intentionally being left out, and was considered so integral to the game and its plot that he was the only character who was never on the chopping block.  Somehow I can't buy into that theory.  Our only hint that he may exist in the game is actually the "deceptive wax fruit" description, unattached to any character, that the devs tweeted.

 

Like I said, Cole has a "companion scenario",so does Iron bull and Sera...somthing Cullen doesn't have, the only thing Cullen has beyonf his presence in the survey and an artwork, is the strong hope of his fans...which isn't saying much.

 

I'm hoping Cole isn't a companion, but as of now, he still has a better chance than Cullen.

[CENIC]

I think other evidence for Cullen at the very least playing a *major* part is that his voice actor was doing voice work before the game was announced (I believe, or possibly sometime after)

On the subject of VO... Bioware did that little blog feature recently with Claudia Black, AND Steve Valentine confirmed he was in the booth on Twitter. Do you think Bioware would have the most important or least important characters' actors record first? If it's the former, that might strengthen Cullen's chances as a companion.

[carine]

On the subject of VO... Bioware did that little blog feature recently with Claudia Black, AND Steve Valentine confirmed he was in the booth on Twitter. Do you think Bioware would have the most important or least important characters' actors record first? If it's the former, that might strengthen Cullen's chances as a companion.

That's a good point, that it could be either way. But I guess my opinion is that the characters that would have a big part would have started recording earlier. Or, at the very least, Cullen had to be important enough for the devs to know he would be in the game back in August 2012. So that's very true that it doesn't really reveal anything, though I think combined with the leaked survey and the concept art that it helps his chances as being a major NPC/companion.

[Vapaa]

Cullen is important, yes, but so is Morrigan, who isn't a companion.

[dragondreamer]

Maybe we haven't seen any concept art of Cole because he's invisible. 

 

He's totally there in the war room picture: the Inquisitor just took Cole's dagger to stab the table and it surprised Cole so much he stumbled back into Mr Mustache. 

[daveliam]

Like I said, Cole has a "companion scenario",so does Iron bull and Sera...somthing Cullen doesn't have, the only thing Cullen has beyonf his presence in the survey and an artwork, is the strong hope of his fans...which isn't saying much.

 

You don't know that Cullen doesn't have a "companion scenario" though.  There were only four of those in the survey (two of whom are at least semi-confirmed and at least one of the other two is no longer valid), so we didn't get to see all of them since there are 9 companions.  For example, we didn't see one for Vivienne or Cassandra or Solas, but they are confirmed, so that doesn't mean much to me.  Granted, I'm not convinced that Cullen is in.  But to say that there isn't much evidence for Cullen (who has multiple pieces of evidence for him) on one hand, but then indicating that Cole (who has a single, possibly irrelevant piece of evidence) is more likely to be in  on the other hand, seems odd to me.

 

I'm hoping Cole isn't a companion, but as of now, he still has a better chance than Cullen.

 

To each his/her own.  I personally think that Cole is the least likely of the speculated companions.  I'm not convinced at all about him given that all we've seen is a "companion scenario", which has a 50% chance of meaning that he's not even in the game anymore.

[daveliam]

double post, dang it.

[carine]

You don't know that Cullen doesn't have a "companion scenario" though.  There were only four of those in the survey (two of whom are at least semi-confirmed and at least one of the other two is no longer valid), so we didn't get to see all of them since there are 9 companions.  For example, we didn't see one for Vivienne or Cassandra or Solas, but they are confirmed, so that doesn't mean much to me.  Granted, I'm not convinced that Cullen is in.  But to say that there isn't much evidence for Cullen (who has multiple pieces of evidence for him) on one hand, but then indicating that Cole (who has a single, possibly irrelevant piece of evidence) is more likely to be in, seems odd to me.

 

 

To each his/her own.  I personally think that Cole is the least likely of the speculated companions.  I'm not convinced at all about him given that all we've seen is a "companion scenario", which has a 50% chance of meaning that he's not even in the game anymore.

I agree completely with this.

[Brass_Buckles]

Hm.  Was poking through concept art for more potential companions.  I came up with this one:  http://mattrhodesart...age/59421377339

 

The person on the right looks like the Inquisitor, but you can also see a hooded, green-clad rogue--looks like a dual-dagger rogue, too.  The body shape doesn't look feminine, but the figure is wearing a skirt/robe, despite the two daggers.  This is one of the older concept arts, so whoever it is may have been scrapped or drastically redesigned.  Any opinions on the guy/gal in green?

[Vapaa]

You don't know that Cullen doesn't have a "companion scenario" though.

 

We're discussing it with the elements we have, otherwise I can totally say that Shianni will be the 9th companion, because why the hell not ? She MAY have a comanion story and everything !

 

And I'm not saying Cole has high chances of being a companion, I'm saying he has more chances than Cullen given what we have, because his companion story was at least considered.

[daveliam]

We're discussing it with the elements we have, otherwise I can totally say that Shianni will be the 9th companion, because why the hell not ? She MAY have a comanion story and everything !

 

And I'm not saying Cole has high chances of being a companion, I'm saying he has more chances than Cullen given what we have, because his companion story was at least considered.

 

That's not a solid argument though.  You were using the lack of evidence as meaning something and I simply pointed out that there are other confirmed companions who also didn't have companion stories, so your point was invalid.  I wasn't saying that the fact that he might have a companion story means that he might  be a companion.

 

And I'm not saying Cole has high chances of being a companion, I'm saying he has more chances than Cullen given what we have, because his companion story was at least considered.

 

Here's what we have for Cullen:  we've seen him in the leaked survey concept art; we've seen him in the war room concept art; we've had confirmation that his VO was in the studio recording lines.

 

Here's what we have for Cole:  we've seen a description of him in the leaked survey (which a dev later said one of them wasn't still in the game and Cole is one of only two who haven't been confirmed, meaning he has a 50% of being the one who isn't in anymore) and we've had a quote from a dev saying that someone from Asunder was in the game.

[Zyree]

I would be disappointed if we only had a 6:3 male to female ratio again. Also I would like to only have Cassandra and Varric as companions that have been in other games/books. But DA2 had 3 returning characters as companions so they might do this again.

 

I think I would like Cullen to be a major NPC along with Scribe Girl and perhaps have DHGM guy be a party member with an unknown female. If they are going to announce 2 more male companions though and it came between them (though I am unsure about either of them), I think I would prefer Cole over Cullen as I would prefer another rogue.

[CENIC]

If the vast majority of the characters from the leaked survey are still in, it makes me wonder what the point of the survey was in the first place.