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Wow, really?  :blink:  Did you read the entire thread? Because I saw many more pages of speculation on Cole, Dorian, Moustache Guy, and the desire for more female companions than Cullen discussion. I don't care about any of those characters, but I'm not about to ask anyone not to post their thoughs/wishes/opinions on these potential companions, because that's what this thread is all about. I also didn't know that anyone was supposed to police their companion desires and post discussion to suit other forumites.

 

Man, I never knew so many people detested or were annoyed by Cullen.... David Gaider's comments on fans versus haters was spot-on. The haters seem way more vocal. :(  /rant

 

Just because I do not love Cullen does not magically mean that I hate him, or that I hate the people who like him.

 

I did run across about four or five pages of people debating over whether or not he would be in the game--and maybe one mention of any other character in all of those pages.  It was mildly annoying because most of the time the discussion is more mixed about various possible companions, and I made a post to that effect.  People leaped to the conclusion that because I was annoyed by it, that I must hate them/Cullen/whatever.  And yet I genuinely meant it when I said that I hope the Cullen fans get Cullen.  And yet... saying so is taken as being a hater... I don't get it.  I really don't.

 

I'd get annoyed if there were five pages of Dramatic Hands Guy discussion here instead of in his thread, too.  Same for Cole, for that matter.  I just prefer the discussion here to be more varied; it has nothing to do with Cullen specifically.

 

Last night a couple people were debating pro- and anti-Cullen in such an argumentative tone I thought the thread might end up locked down.  That annoyed me way more than the Wall O' Cullen I flipped through before.  And now there are people on the fan side assuming that because I'm not squeeing over the idea of him being in game across five pages,  I must be against them and a "hater."

 

For the umpteenth time:  I don't care whether Cullen is in the game or not, for my own sake.  My feelings about him are neutral.  No like, no dislike.  I know nothing about who he will be in DA:I.  He was cute in the mage origin of DA:O.  After the mage quest, he hated mages.  He went through DA2 hating mages.  That's about all I remember.  Nothing there to love or hate.  For the sake of the fans, I hope you do get him because it clearly means the world to you guys and gals.

 

Back to the topic:  My theory is that we're going to get Dramatic Hands and Cullen as the final two companions.  I'd rather replace one of them with a female to even the balance out some, but I think our final two are both going to be men.

 

I feel like a broken record here, but I still want Cole as a companion and I still don't think he will be.  There's no evidence, unless that concept art pic with the dual-dagger rogue ends up being an early concept of Cole. I think it's actually two Inquisitor designs in the same place, for whatever reason.  But Cole has no art, we haven't heard a peep about him, and I can't help but think that by now, we'd have some accidentally leaked information if he were going to be in the game.  Or some sharp-eyed person would have spotted him.

 

Cullen, on the other hand, has quite a bit of art, so we know that even if he's not a companion he is going to be highly present as an NPC, probably a major one.  We will likely deal with him often.  I hope he's grown past his hatred for all things mage that he showed in DA2, or that i can encourage him to get past it.

 

Dramatic Hands also has art, and his cape/robe has shown up teeny tiny in some concept art of the entire party.  There is a good chance Dramatic Hands is a companion, whether or not he is named Dorian.  That outfit is Tevinter in design, if I judge by the Tevinter Battlemage design in Heroes of Dragon Age.  And, well, he looks like a younger Tevinter Battlemage, design-wise.  That may or may not be a coincidence.

 

If Cullen is not the one who rounds out the last spot (presuming here that Dramatic Hands fills one of them), then it will be someone we haven't received any hints about yet at all.  Or it will be Cole, and I will be pleasantly surprised but will still feel bad for the people who wanted Cullen available as a romance.

 

Who is put in the game is not a competition.  The devs have already decided, and no matter how anyone argues, it's not going to change.  What will be will be.  It's fun to speculate--I love to speculate--but can we please be civil about it?


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I hope you're right about Dramatic Hands and Cullen. I pray they're both LIs if that's the case!



#1103
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I hope you're right about Dramatic Hands and Cullen. I pray they're both LIs if that's the case!

 

I think the LIs will end up being Dramatic Hands and Solas, or Solas and Cullen, should Cullen be the final companion.  We usually get a human and an elf, and I can't help but think the tight pants Solas is wearing are tight to get the attention of those among us who appreciate men.  He's also one of the younger-looking companions that we know about.

 

Of course no one knows until the game is released, or there are leaks, or we wheedle the developers into telling us something.



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Not sure if anyone saw this or if it's been posted previously, but I thought it was worth posting.

Look at the guy to the very bottom of the picture.. to the right. Looks suspiciously like Cullen. The head, hair, even sword and board..

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EDIT: DUH nevermind. It was my hopes talking. Cassandra slipped my mind. -_-'



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Okay, so, while I'm still convinced Iron Bull is not going to be a companion (something will change my mind by tomorrow, I bet) here's how I think the companions will fall:
 
WARRIORS
Cassandra
The Bearded Warden
Cullen
 
ROGUES
Varric
The Blonde Elf
Cole (OR AN UNNAMED FEMALE)
 
MAGES
Vivienne
Solas
Dorian
 
I'm pretty sure this is how it's going to fall. It's either going to be Cullen or Iron Bull as the third warrior companion and the other will be an important NPC. (I'm kinda giddily excited about a full-mage party.) I hope there's another female companion waiting in the wings, but I'm starting to think we're going to have quite a few Very Important female NPC's to try and balance out a 5-3-1 group. (The 1 is Cole, who is a genderless spirit in a male body.)

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Okay, so, while I'm still convinced Iron Bull is not going to be a companion (something will change my mind by tomorrow, I bet) here's how I think the companions will fall:

 

I thought Iron Bull was confirmed in one of the magazines that came out recently.  Am I mistaken?



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I thought Iron Bull was confirmed in one of the magazines that came out recently.  Am I mistaken?

I believe it was the GameStar article, but considering the fact that OMX and others got some information very wrong, I'd be leery with taking that as confirmed at this point.



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I thought Iron Bull was confirmed in one of the magazines that came out recently.  Am I mistaken?

 

The same magazine that has been thoroughly debunked today.  :lol: (Or, not the same, but they've all had some serious falsities.)



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Ah, that makes sense.  Well, that's frustrating then because it was nice to think that we've nailed down 7 of the companions.  Looks like we're really still at 6 (only 4 of whom are confirmed).  Bummer.



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I'd bet my hand on Iron bull being a companion, there's too much pointing at that possibility.



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Ah, that makes sense.  Well, that's frustrating then because it was nice to think that we've nailed down 7 of the companions.  Looks like we're really still at 6 (only 4 of whom are confirmed).  Bummer.

 

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. We've got four Dev-confirmed companions with two that have been seen in-party. Iron Bull may be all over in concept art, but I realized that Iron Bull isn't in any art with the Inquisition. I'd bet he's important, but not in the party.



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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. We've got four Dev-confirmed companions with two that have been seen in-party. Iron Bull may be all over in concept art, but I realized that Iron Bull isn't in any art with the Inquisition. I'd bet he's important, but not in the party.

 

I'm still banking on him being in the game as a companion.  Similar to the debate about Cole, we know that he was originally designed as a companion, since he was in the companion survey. 

 

However, unlike Cole, we've seen Iron Bull all over the concept art and in the trailer video.  Seems to me that he's still in and, probably, a companion unless they completely redesigned his role in the game.


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I'm still banking on him being in the game as a companion.  Similar to the debate about Cole, we know that he was originally designed as a companion, since he was in the companion survey. 

 

However, unlike Cole, we've seen Iron Bull all over the concept art and in the trailer video.  Seems to me that he's still in and, probably, a companion unless they completely redesigned his role in the game.

Yes, yes. Iron Bull is good. IB is very, very good. That begs the question of who's left? I think all the people we have seen have an equal opportunity, except for Cole, whom we have only seen within the survey leak.



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I'd bet my hand on Iron bull being a companion, there's too much pointing at that possibility.

I agree. I would rather have him than Cullen and no offence to anybody but he has been in the first 2 games and we need some new blood in game for once. :D :lol:



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I agree. I would rather have him than Cullen and no offence to anybody but he has been in the first 2 games and we need some new blood in game for once. :D :lol:

Explain Cole that covers his story and being in 200 words or less and then I can see him coming in.   Otherwise, it took most of a 350+page book to explain him.  One would have to not assume the player read the books and introduce him in the game.  Cullen, on the other hand, is someone that more causal fans would know and recognize.  Easier to market someone that's been in the previous games, and what's more, most of us don't really "know" him.  We've had a handful of conversations, but it isn't like he's a returning party member.



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Yes, yes. Iron Bull is good. IB is very, very good. That begs the question of who's left? I think all the people we have seen have an equal opportunity, except for Cole, whom we have only seen within the survey leak.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Iron Bull is in.  Sera is in because supposedly she was seen in a video clip for a gaming website.  I'm pretty sure we can count on Dramatic Hands being in-game, because he keeps popping up in art.  Though, I could be wrong, particularly since he looks Tevinter and we will not be visiting the Imperium.  If he were Dorian, then he has been exiled, and yet I'd still expect there to be more reason to go to Tevinter.

 

So unless it's a complete unknown, the last one will be Cole or Cullen, and it's looking to me like it'll be Cullen.  There's no art lying around of Cole that we can point to and say, "Hey there's a scruffy looking dagger dude!"

 

I want the Cullen fans to get Cullen, but I also want to get Cole because plot and character progression would be interesting with him.  So whoever is in that spot, I'll be a little sad--either for the Cullen fans or for myself.

 

Edit:  Because no character really "wins" a spot.  As I said before, it's not a competition.  I'd do well to listen to myself, sometimes.



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I thought the only ones left for debate were the "Unnamed Grey Warden", Cullen, Cole, and the "Mustached Mage" aka Dorian.  We definitely need another rogue for close range, and another warrior.  

 

Unless the Grey Warden is a rogue, the only one of the group who fits that is Cole.  I have seen some theories about Iron Bull being a rogue, but he seems like a two handed weapon type to me.  The Grey Warden is featured in a lot of concept art, so I am pretty sure he hasn't been cut, but I may be wrong.

 

In my opinion, Cullen and Dorian are the two that are really up for cut.  Cole fits the Inquisition storyline, and it would make sense for Gaider's "fake fruit"-seems human even though he is a spirit- and sensitivity towards the characterization and smut of one of the characters he is writing.  

 

Dorian is the character I want, but I am unsure about since Tevinter isn't a huge part of the plot or waypoint.  I liked his leaked info, but only seeing one piece of concept art makes me nervous.  Cullen has huge fan backing, and would fit the need for a Templar POV with all the red lyrium and crap out there.  It would also fit the usual more warriors than mage thing BioWare leans towards.

 

AH!  Can't we just have them all!



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AH!  Can't we just have them all!

Seriously! I wish we could. 

 

I'm sure I'll be happy with whatever the party makeup is. Though I do have hopes for certain characters :P



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I thought the only ones left for debate were the "Unnamed Grey Warden", Cullen, Cole, and the "Mustached Mage" aka Dorian.  We definitely need another rogue for close range, and another warrior.  

 

Unless the Grey Warden is a rogue, the only one of the group who fits that is Cole.  I have seen some theories about Iron Bull being a rogue, but he seems like a two handed weapon type to me.  The Grey Warden is featured in a lot of concept art, so I am pretty sure he hasn't been cut, but I may be wrong.

 

In my opinion, Cullen and Dorian are the two that are really up for cut.  Cole fits the Inquisition storyline, and it would make sense for Gaider's "fake fruit"-seems human even though he is a spirit- and sensitivity towards the characterization and smut of one of the characters he is writing.  

 

Dorian is the character I want, but I am unsure about since Tevinter isn't a huge part of the plot or waypoint.  I liked his leaked info, but only seeing one piece of concept art makes me nervous.  Cullen has huge fan backing, and would fit the need for a Templar POV with all the red lyrium and crap out there.  It would also fit the usual more warriors than mage thing BioWare leans towards.

 

AH!  Can't we just have them all!

 

Well, Warden has possibly shown up in some video clips, so I think he's still in.  Some have speculated that those clips are actually the Inquisitor, but the Warden has a pretty distinct build.  He's heftier than the Inquisitor.  He also appears to be a sword warrior, but not necessarily sword-and-shield.  I think it would actually suit him to wield a mace or axe, given his build.

 

I disagree with the people who think Iron Bull is out.  Too much evidence indicates his still being in.

 

Cole could be an NPC, but given the lack of evidence for his existence, I'm inclined to think he's no longer a companion.  I do think he would tie in with the plot better than anyone else.  I also think I'd like to see where his story would go.  But again, no evidence--whereas we've seen evidence for the Warden, for Sera, for Iron Bull and even for Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy.

 

Dramatic Hands would bring the mage count to 3, meaning if Cole were the final party member we would have an even representation of each class.  However, Bioware does not base their decisions around having an equal number of characters per class.  They base it around balance and story.  And, if we've got two members of any class, we technically have enough of that class for both choice and balance.

 

Also, Dramatic Hands shows up tiny in several artworks.  Basically he's just a screenshot away from confirmation, unless they opted to remove him because we won't be going to Tevinter (and therefore will have a difficult time resolving his exile and anti-corruption plotline).

 

It bears repeating that we may also be totally surprised, and one or both remaining characters might be someone completely unknown to us.



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I agree. I would rather have him than Cullen and no offence to anybody but he has been in the first 2 games and we need some new blood in game for once. :D :lol:

I don't really think you're offending anyone simply by stating you opinion...  :) Personally I want him to be a companion because I consider him a character with interesting potential development.Though I can totally understand people who want to see more newbies, which is a reasonable request after all...



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I don't really think you're offending anyone simply by stating you opinion...  :) Personally I want him to be a companion because I consider him a character with interesting potential development.Though I can totally understand people who want to see more newbies, which is a reasonable request after all...

Yeah, there has been enough grumbling with the "tons of returning cast members" with Varric and Casandra in the party.  I still want a lady Templar ala Eva > Cullen any day of the week.


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Yeah, there has been enough grumbling with the "tons of returning cast members" with Varric and Casandra in the party.  I still want a lady Templar ala Eva > Cullen any day of the week.

 

I don't mind Cassandra returning, because she wasn't a companion before.  And while part of me would like someone new over Cullen, well, Cullen was never a companion and we didn't get to know him well, so, I have nothing against his being a companion.

 

I adore Varric, but part of me does wonder why he is returning, instead of bringing in someone new.  I hope it isn't starting a trend of his being in every Dragon Age game to play the part of the narrator, like he did in DA2.  Again, I think he's great.  It's just that I like new characters, too.



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Cole also straddles the whole Mage/Rogue line.  We know he is a spirit and tends to use blades, but we also know that he was a blood mage, so by adding him he could act as a third to both the mage and rogue category.   Leaving us with more space for the warrior class.  

 

DHM has only been in maybe two concept sketches and the leak, right?  Did I miss more sightings of him?  Also, someone previously said we had concept art of Cullen outside of the leak.  I thought that we were never even sure that it was Cullen in the leak...  I am clearly behind on concept art.

 

I think NPC's in general will play a much bigger part in Inquisition, like Leliana running the spy network, etc.  So, really seeing these characters in any capacity will be great.  I trust Bioware's choice in companions; we know so little about each of them that it is hard to make assumptions about them.  I will be pretty happy with whatever.



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I don't mind Cassandra returning, because she wasn't a companion before.  And while part of me would like someone new over Cullen, well, Cullen was never a companion and we didn't get to know him well, so, I have nothing against his being a companion.

 

I adore Varric, but part of me does wonder why he is returning, instead of bringing in someone new.  I hope it isn't starting a trend of his being in every Dragon Age game to play the part of the narrator, like he did in DA2.  Again, I think he's great.  It's just that I like new characters, too.

I was honestly surprised when Varric returned. I didn't think any of the DA2 companions had a chance of being in DAI, even considering that Cass was questioning him back in DA2. I just kind of assumed we'd get a whole new cast. I don't mind Varric -- he was one of my favorites back in DA2 -- but I do like new people each game. 



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Eh, I must be the only one who doesn't mind returning characters.

If the entire cast was returning companions, I wouldn't care. 

 

Though, I do wish it was someone other than Varric that was returning. I liked Varric, but I didn't really want him as a companion again. 

No use complaining though, 'tis set in virtual stone.