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[Innsmouth Dweller]

Yes- he is too handsome.

any DHMG ingame screenshots exist? no? not even blurry ones? ok then.

[ahellbornlady]

We had 3 returning characters from DA:O in DA2 as companions. Anders, Isabella and Merrill. We have Cassandra and Verric confirmed so if that pattern holds true, we might have one more familiar face as a companion. Anders was a companion in DA:O, Verric was one in DA2. Merril and Isabella were NPCs and became companions, just like Cassandra will be. It's likely they'll have previously unplayable DA2 NPC as a companion.

 

I know people like to complain about it, but 3 out of 9 isn't bad, and it gives them a chance to flesh out characters they've already created.

[badboy64]

Explain Cole that covers his story and being in 200 words or less and then I can see him coming in.   Otherwise, it took most of a 350+page book to explain him.  One would have to not assume the player read the books and introduce him in the game.  Cullen, on the other hand, is someone that more causal fans would know and recognize.  Easier to market someone that's been in the previous games, and what's more, most of us don't really "know" him.  We've had a handful of conversations, but it isn't like he's a returning party member.

Like I said he isn't needed at all. We need fresh faces with companion instead of bringing back people that have been in the first 2 games. The only time I liked him is when he stood up against Merideth and that is it. If he is a companion then I will not recruit him him at all. He will never get over his grudges against mages period.

[Lorien19]

Like I said he isn't needed at all. We need fresh faces with companion instead of bringing back people that have been in the first 2 games. The only time I liked him is when he stood up against Merideth and that is it. If he is a companion then I will not recruit him him at all. He will never get over his grudges against mages period.

Your first two arguments are understandable...Wanting new faces is a reasonable request,as to when it comes to liking a character,we all have different tastes none is expecting you to like him(guaranteed that his indeed a companion,of which I'm not so sure)In fact it's rare for someone to like every single party member in the game...Although as far as your last argument is concerned,we can't possibly know what the writers have in store for him and how his story arc will evolve,what his views and opinions will be like,besides If they decide that he's needed,he's in,so that's that.

[ahellbornlady]

Like I said he isn't needed at all. We need fresh faces with companion instead of bringing back people that have been in the first 2 games. The only time I liked him is when he stood up against Merideth and that is it. If he is a companion then I will not recruit him him at all. He will never get over his grudges against mages period.

I strongly disagree. He considered Hawke a friend by Act 3, even if he/she was a mage. I mean do you really think if Cullen's hatred of mages was as deep as you claim, he would raise his sword to his superior in defense of an apostate? Sorry but you don't pull a "you'll have to go through me!" for someone you dislike. Not to mention he steps aside and lets Hawke leave after the battle... Anders too, in some cases.

 

That hardly points to him being a radical mage hater. If anyone fits that role, it's Sebastian, seeing as how if you spare Ander's life after he blows up the chantry he declares war against you or whatever. Cullen does no such thing. I see him as quite moderate compared to other characters.

[Jynxed_]

I'm voting for dramatic hands mustache guy

[Lorien19]

I'm voting for dramatic hands mustache guy

I only hope his real name is nearly as cool as "Dramatic hands moustache guy"!

[Brass_Buckles]

I only hope his real name is nearly as cool as "Dramatic hands moustache guy"!

 

Bonus points if he's in the game and Varric at some point suggests that as a nickname, only to discard it for something shorter and easier to say.

 

I know most people believe Cole and Cullen are in the running; I myself think Cullen is more likely.  I'd prefer Cole, personally, but then if he did end up in the game and Cullen didn't, I'd feel bad about that because the Cullen fans would feel left out...

 

But I'm totally with the people who want to see new faces.  Cole isn't really "new," except to the games.  We're already getting Varric and Cassandra.  Morrigan and Leliana will have major roles.  Alistair may or may not have a major role.  Granted they're NPCs, rather than full companions, but my point is we will be seeing a lot of returning characters.  And that's great, but I wish they could all be restricted to cameos/NPCs.  And yet at the same time, I'm happy to see Varric back and interested to learn more about Cassandra.

 

Guess what I'm trying to say is, I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the last couple of spots were totally new characters we hadn't had any hint about before.  I suspect one will be Dramatic Hands, and he's new, but what if the last one is neither Cullen nor Cole?  How will people react to that?  I get the feeling reactions will be more favorable if we end up with another woman than another man, due to both the high male:female ratio and the fact that some players think the existing women aren't pretty enough (which kind of makes me sad, because Viv and Cass both look really awesome, to me--but then again I'm a straight woman so your mileage may vary).  But what if it's a heretofore unknown male?

 

Also, re: the 3/3/3 split:  There is no confirmation that this is the case.  It seems likely, especially since we know of two mages and Dramatic Hands seems likely to be a third, if he ends up in the game.  Given the plot, it might even make sense if we were to have four mages, three warriors, and two rogues, rather than an even split--since we know that magic must be responsible for the Veil Tear.  However, it won't surprise me in the least if the split leans toward warriors once we know all of the characters.

 

If the 3/3/3 class split turns out to be true, then I am pretty sure Dramatic Hands will end up being our last mage, and we'll get Cole rather than Cullen.  But, the 3/3/3 theory is arbitrary and evidence via art, at least, currently supports Cullen.  I doubt Gaider would be posting fiction (it's not really fanfic if it's his own character) about Cole if Cole were in DA:I, unless he'd been told to do so to promote interest in that character.  But normally I'd expect him to be told not to reveal anything.

 

Against Cullen's favor, though, is the fact that his VA was called in early on.  Apparently the devs like to take their time polishing the dialogue of major characters.

 

Long story short, only the Bioware devs really know for sure.  In the long run, though, it won't really matter who rounds out the game, because it's only a game.  Sure, we might like it more personally if our particular favorite gets into the game, but then again we might find that we like the game better than we could have imagined because the developers made a smarter choice about who to put in than we would have.  We are all biased, otherwise we wouldn't be here debating the issue.

 

At this point I kind of feel like we've gone in circles a lot.  What this discussion needs is some more evidence to fuel the flames.  And I don't think we'll be getting that for a while.

[ladyofpayne]

There will be no mages party. Mutachio is warrior 99%.

[DooomCookie]

Bonus points if he's in the game and Varric at some point suggests that as a nickname, only to discard it for something shorter and easier to say.

 

I know most people believe Cole and Cullen are in the running; I myself think Cullen is more likely.  I'd prefer Cole, personally, but then if he did end up in the game and Cullen didn't, I'd feel bad about that because the Cullen fans would feel left out...

 

But I'm totally with the people who want to see new faces.  Cole isn't really "new," except to the games.  We're already getting Varric and Cassandra.  Morrigan and Leliana will have major roles.  Alistair may or may not have a major role.  Granted they're NPCs, rather than full companions, but my point is we will be seeing a lot of returning characters.  And that's great, but I wish they could all be restricted to cameos/NPCs.  And yet at the same time, I'm happy to see Varric back and interested to learn more about Cassandra.

 

Guess what I'm trying to say is, I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the last couple of spots were totally new characters we hadn't had any hint about before.  I suspect one will be Dramatic Hands, and he's new, but what if the last one is neither Cullen nor Cole?  How will people react to that?  I get the feeling reactions will be more favorable if we end up with another woman than another man, due to both the high male:female ratio and the fact that some players think the existing women aren't pretty enough (which kind of makes me sad, because Viv and Cass both look really awesome, to me--but then again I'm a straight woman so your mileage may vary).  But what if it's a heretofore unknown male?

 

Also, re: the 3/3/3 split:  There is no confirmation that this is the case.  It seems likely, especially since we know of two mages and Dramatic Hands seems likely to be a third, if he ends up in the game.  Given the plot, it might even make sense if we were to have four mages, three warriors, and two rogues, rather than an even split--since we know that magic must be responsible for the Veil Tear.  However, it won't surprise me in the least if the split leans toward warriors once we know all of the characters.

 

If the 3/3/3 class split turns out to be true, then I am pretty sure Dramatic Hands will end up being our last mage, and we'll get Cole rather than Cullen.  But, the 3/3/3 theory is arbitrary and evidence via art, at least, currently supports Cullen.  I doubt Gaider would be posting fiction (it's not really fanfic if it's his own character) about Cole if Cole were in DA:I, unless he'd been told to do so to promote interest in that character.  But normally I'd expect him to be told not to reveal anything.

 

Against Cullen's favor, though, is the fact that his VA was called in early on.  Apparently the devs like to take their time polishing the dialogue of major characters.

 

Long story short, only the Bioware devs really know for sure.  In the long run, though, it won't really matter who rounds out the game, because it's only a game.  Sure, we might like it more personally if our particular favorite gets into the game, but then again we might find that we like the game better than we could have imagined because the developers made a smarter choice about who to put in than we would have.  We are all biased, otherwise we wouldn't be here debating the issue.

 

At this point I kind of feel like we've gone in circles a lot.  What this discussion needs is some more evidence to fuel the flames.  And I don't think we'll be getting that for a while.

 

Very thorough analysis.  Personally, I think the game would benefit most from a 3/3/3 split, at least one more woman and no returning characters.  I haven confidence that BW will handle any characters, returning or not, with flair.

[Steppenwolf]

 Far as I can tell, [Cole] returned to the tower and hasn't left. 

 

And you're basing that on what?

[Grieving Natashina]

There will be no mages party. Mutachio is warrior 99%.

Er, did you mean "There will be no all-mages party."?

[Brass_Buckles]

I don't think Dramatic Hands is a warrior.  The art we've seen doesn't have  him wearing anything but cloth/leather.  I could, of course, be entirely wrong.  I think the trident thing, though, is a weaponized staff, like I've seen with art of Tevinter battlemages, whose staves usually have bladed weapons on the ends.

[ahellbornlady]

Cullen's VA getting called in early seems like evidence he might be a companion character IMO. Exactly for the reason you said, they need time to polish the dialogue. Who says that was his only VA session? He got in trouble for posting the pic/tweet like he did so I doubt they would tell us about other sessions he might have done. I think he could be the major follower/LI Jennifer Helper wrote before leaving. She did write Cullen in DA:2, after all.

[Brass_Buckles]

Cullen's VA getting called in early seems like evidence he might be a companion character IMO. Exactly for the reason you said, they need time to polish the dialogue. Who says that was his only VA session? He got in trouble for posting the pic/tweet like he did so I doubt they would tell us about other sessions he might have done. I think he could be the major follower/LI Jennifer Helper wrote before leaving. She did write Cullen in DA:2, after all.

 

Devs have said companions and other highly important VAs are called in last, due to needing to polish all the dialogue before recording it.  Someone recently in this thread quoted a developer on that matter, and it makes sense to me.  Why would you record important dialogue before you had it set in stone?  Before, I thought that calling in a person early would make more sense if their character was more important, because they'd have more lines and need more time to do their job.  The devs say otherwise.

 

Everything is basically up in the air about who the last two are.  Some have even speculated we might have the ones we think we know about wrong, namely that the Warden or Iron Bull may not be in game.  I believe it is Cole who was axed.  I wish he could be a companion, but I've seen no evidence.  I think, despite the early VA call, Cullen will be at the very least a major NPC, and more likely you are right and he will be a companion.  It may be that he voiced a minor NPC when he was called in earlier; VAs often voice more than one character, usually one major one and several minor ones.

[Steppenwolf]

I don't think Dramatic Hands is a warrior.  The art we've seen doesn't have  him wearing anything but cloth/leather.  I could, of course, be entirely wrong.  I think the trident thing, though, is a weaponized staff, like I've seen with art of Tevinter battlemages, whose staves usually have bladed weapons on the ends.

 

Look at his art from the survey. He's armored. And he's got a pike, not a trident. Pike+longsword+armor says warrior to me.

[Grieving Natashina]

Look at his art from the survey. He's armored. And he's got a pike, not a trident. Pike+longsword+armor says warrior to me.

She means the battlemages, which is what DHMG looks a lot.

 

 

Yes, that guy in this picture is a mage.  If DHMG is from Tevinter, then it would make sense for him to show some armor.

[CuriousArtemis]

 

It may be that he voiced a minor NPC when he was called in earlier; VAs often voice more than one character, usually one major one and several minor ones.

 

True, but actually he specifically tweeted that he was in the booth for Cullen Silly man!

[CuriousArtemis]

 

Yes, that guy in this picture is a mage. 

 

... I would so play a mage more often if I could dress my character like that.

[ElitePinecone]

Look at his art from the survey. He's armored. And he's got a pike, not a trident. Pike+longsword+armor says warrior to me.

 

We've seen Tevinter mages wearing armour and wielding swords in the past, though - in the comic books and in World of Thedas.

 

To me it makes zero sense to show a warrior with two primary weapons in concept art. If he was a spear-wielding warrior, why not show just a spear? And why would a warrior ever use a spear one-handed?

 

Showing a weapon-wielding mage with their staff and another sword gets the point across that this is a character who uses both.  

[Steppenwolf]

She means the battlemages, which is what DHMG looks a lot.

Yes, that guy in this picture is a mage.  If DHMG is from Tevinter, then it would make sense for him to show some armor.

You have to make several assumptions to get there. Without one of those assumptions being spot on then it doesn't make any sense.

True, but actually he specifically tweeted that he was in the booth for Cullen Silly man!

That actually counts against Cullen being a companion since he recorded so early in the process.

[Steppenwolf]

We've seen Tevinter mages wearing armour and wielding swords in the past, though - in the comic books and in World of Thedas.

But none of them carry blades and weaponized staves.
 

To me it makes zero sense to show a warrior with two primary weapons in concept art. If he was a spear-wielding warrior, why not show just a spear? And why would a warrior ever use a spear one-handed?

It's concept art. It can show whatever they want it to show. Maybe they wanted some art that illustrated the return of multiple weapon sets? Maybe the pike if for throwing? Maybe the artist just felt like it?
 

Showing a weapon-wielding mage with their staff and another sword gets the point across that this is a character who uses both.

Why can a mage use a pike and a sword at the same time but a warrior can't?

[Ispan]

Look at his art from the survey. He's armored. And he's got a pike, not a trident. Pike+longsword+armor says warrior to me.

 

DHMG is armed and armored like the Tevinter mage concept art pieces, and the color and straps on the battlemaster are close to the survey art.

 

But none of them carry blades and weaponized staves.

 

They sure do.  The Tevinter Battlemage uses a spear-like staff and a sword (and as he progresses up to level 4 he gets more intricate arms and armor, this is just the basic form).

 

Tevinter Battlemaster

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Tevinter Battlemage

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DHMG survey art

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More possible DHMG concept art

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Edit:  You can be 99% sure he's a warrior, but there's plenty of art to support him being something else.  I'm not saying I'm 99% sure he'll be something else, but it's possible he's a mage just as it's possible he's not.

Modifié par Ispan, 04 avril 2014 - 04:48 .

[Vegeta 77]

I think cullen or some new templar guy will be a party member since we have 2 mages already its only fair to get a templar in our party to get there point of view on the war with the mages and its fair for the templar fans  so i will go with cullen and that female rogue that is standing next to the inquisitor in one of the concept arts

[carine]

You have to make several assumptions to get there. Without one of those assumptions being spot on then it doesn't make any sense.


That actually counts against Cullen being a companion since he recorded so early in the process.

 

I'm not sure if it does, because he's reprising the role of Cullen. Gaider said that casting for a certain character takes place late in the development process, but they already had Greg Ellis for Cullen since DA2. Companion or not, I don't think Cullen is going to play a minor character. And since GE got in so much trouble for the Cullen tweet, I don't think he'd say if he's done any VO work since.