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[Nocte ad Mortem]

At the end of the book he also

Spoiler

drops the pretense that he is human

. There is part of me that wonders if Cole's presence in the "leaked" survey wasn't just a way to get people to buy the book. I know that is why I bought it. To me, and I know the mileage varies, there was nothing about Cole that screamed possible companion to me. Possible cameo/antagonist... but never companion.

Why does it matter if he's a human? That makes him MORE interesting to me as a party member, not LESS. 

 

I don't really think that's why he was in the survey. That's a pretty harsh view of Bioware. lol But it also just doesn't seem reasonable, to me. It was only supposed to be seen by a limited amount of people, hence the "leaked", and the point was to get advice on their marketing techniques for the game. Cole may be cut, but I don't really think they were being that sneaky about the survey.

[Former_Fiend]

I've said this in other threads, but I think the end of Asunder speaks well for Cole. Basically, he tells Lambert, "I'm not helpless anymore", and has Lambert with a knife at his throat. We haven't heard from Lambert since. He's MIA. That offers a strong argument that Cole killed Lambert. We know that Lambert was a VERY skilled fighter that mortally wounded Evangeline, bested almost every character in the book, and was the leader of the Seeker and Templar orders. Sounds like a pretty good resume, to me, if it pans out.

 

Lambert was an excellent warrior, but we're talking about a scenario where he was unarmed, unarmored, laying down in bed and going to sleep when all of a sudden someone has a knife to his throat. This is a very different scenario from actual combat.

 

I also felt that, even though it was retribution against the primary antagonist of the book, Cole had a very sinister feel to him in that scene. So if he has improved and become more dangerous, I could see him more as becoming an antagonist than a companion.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Lambert was an excellent warrior, but we're talking about a scenario where he was unarmed, unarmored, laying down in bed and going to sleep when all of a sudden someone has a knife to his throat. This is a very different scenario from actual combat.

 

I also felt that, even though it was retribution against the primary antagonist of the book, Cole had a very sinister feel to him in that scene. So if he has improved and become more dangerous, I could see him more as becoming an antagonist than a companion.

The leaked survey mentioned the duality of his concept, that he was at a crossroads between helping humans and preying on them. I think he's definitely supposed to have a dark grey ambiguity about him. If he is a companion, I think his character arch will be about the pendulum between "spirit" and "demon", and where he'll fall. He is a dangerous concept, but a lot of our concepts are "dangerous" people. (Justice, Anders, Sten)

 

I think people are kind of reading too much into the "best of the best" thing, though. I think Cullen, Cole, Cassandra and all the others will be designed to meet that, if they get the slots. I think what they were really trying to say is that you're the head of an organization that will have a lot of authority internationally, in contrast to DA2, where Hawke started out basically a nobody. I don't think the "best of the best" factor is probably going to be the thing that eliminates anyone we've already been speculating about.  

[DooomCookie]

hasn't been confirmed we can switch them though. so all warriors could be sword and shield or two handed.

 

Yes, but unless we get them early in game, they tend to have talents 'specialised' one way or another.  So in DA:O Zevran was our DW rogue and Leliana was our archer.  In both games, there has been at least one each of a DW rogue, archer, sword&shield, 2h warrior, healing mage and damage mage.  I think it is fairly safe to assume that this won't change.

 

We've been given two sword&shield warriors so far, so there must be a third, 2h warrior (ie Iron Bull).  Likewise, we've been given two archers, so there must be a third, DW rogue. (Cole?  A lot of people on this thread seem to want him.)

 

In addition to this, Vivienne and Solas are confirmed, which leaves only the ninth slot.  A 4th rogue is possible I suppose, but evidence points to either Cullen (because of warrior bias and the Greg Ellis tweets) or a third mage (because of DHMG and 3/3/3 split).

[CuriousArtemis]

We've been given two sword&shield warriors so far, so there must be a third, 2h warrior (ie Iron Bull).  Likewise, we've been given two archers, so there must be a third, DW rogue. (Cole?  A lot of people on this thread seem to want him.)

 

I think it's important to note that when she appears in the survey leak and in the armor demonstration, Cassandra is a 2H warrior.

[DooomCookie]

I think it's important to note that when she appears in the survey leak and in the armor demonstration, Cassandra is a 2H warrior.

 

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Ah.  Well that throws that out of the window.  In that case I'm guessing she's the first companion you get in game, so you can specialise her both ways.  I guess it still supports Iron Bull slightly over Cullen, since she had a shield in the PAX demo, so she's not intended as a 2h over sword and shield necessarily.

[coldwetn0se]

She's dead.

Sorry...been away from the computer for a bit. Some catching up to do, so if this was further expanded on, forgive me.

As for Bianca being dead, like I said, the tiny bit of info I absorbed from past threads, what that it was "hinted" she might be alive. Hence why I tossed her name into the ring. If I read incorrectly...*shrug*, so be it.

[GVulture]

Considering that the Inquisitor arm of... whatever it is that they are... Are supposed to be ABOVE the Seekers and the Templars... it only makes sense that we would have one of each in the party...

[Grieving Natashina]

I also felt that, even though it was retribution against the primary antagonist of the book, Cole had a very sinister feel to him in that scene. So if he has improved and become more dangerous, I could see him more as becoming an antagonist than a companion.

Oh good, I thought it was just me.  In either case, I feel like Cole is someone that I'd be very leery to trust at this point.  I won't go into my ramblings about why I think Cole wouldn't be a good party member here, so I'll leave it at that.  

 

 

I think it's important to note that when she appears in the survey leak and in the armor demonstration, Cassandra is a 2H warrior.

If I recall correctly, you can change that now.  You can make her sword n' board if you so choose.  Or make Varric into wielding dual daggers.  Stuff like that.

[ElitePinecone]

So, this source says we will get an even class distribution;

 

http://ladyinsanity....pax-weekend-was

 

Thoughts? Which warriors are out or not warriors? Cassandra/Cullen/Grey Warden/Iron Bull would be too many warriors.

 

Also, who do you think the extra rogue and mage are?

 

I'm glad this was confirmed.

 

Makes me very confident that DHMG is a mage, and that Cassandra/Iron Bull/Grey Warden are the warriors.

[ElitePinecone]

edit: holy triple post batman

[ElitePinecone]

edit: what even

[ElitePinecone]

So from what I've read the panel said that there will be three companions per class, and implied that Iron Bull is a warrior. Since we now have Cassandra, GW and Iron Bull, this would confirm that Cullen is not a companion, wouldn't it?

 

I believe this is correct.

 

There's one rogue and one mage left.

[Viktoria Landers]

I hope we get a dwarf companion... Seriously it's VERY little if Varric is the only dwarf companion in two main game releases.

[DooomCookie]

I hope we get a dwarf companion... Seriously it's VERY little if Varric is the only dwarf companion in two main game releases.

 

Hm.  Since DHMG is the mage, that means the dwarf must be the DW rogue.  Hopefully they're female, so we can get a 5/4 gender ratio.

 

Female dwarf DW rogue anyone?

[GVulture]

I believe this is correct.

 

There's one rogue and one mage left.

All this has done is make me worry that the Grey Warden's isn't actually in the game. There hasn't been any clue about him at all outside of the art and no indication of whom might be writing him. =( I was happier when I thought were we gonna be missing a rogue or a mage had a 4/3/2 split.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

All this has done is make me worry that the Grey Warden's isn't actually in the game. There hasn't been any clue about him at all outside of the art and no indication of whom might be writing him. =( I was happier when I thought were we gonna be missing a rogue or a mage had a 4/3/2 split.

Actually, there's a video where he's seen as a party member in pre-alpha game testing. Sera is in it, too.   

[ElitePinecone]

Like I said before, I am pretty sure Bioware plans on balancing out the gender stuff with extremely active NPC's (Scribe Girl, Leliana, Morrigan).  I think Cullen and Scribe Girl will be romance able NPC's, leaving Hands guy as a Mage, Grey Warden as a Warrior, and Cole or other ??? as a rogue.  

 

 

Not sure about Scribe Lady as a romance since we literally know nothing about her, but I think the rest of this is spot on.

 

The only question mark I have is over the last rogue spot being Cole or somebody else, and at this point I'm leaning more towards Cole because he was in the survey.

[TKavatar]

I don't think DHMG is a mage. Dude doesn't carry a staff.

[GVulture]

Actually, there's a video where he's seen as a party member in pre-alpha game testing. Sera is in it, too.   

But there is a reason why alpha footage always comes with a disclaimer about things not making it to the final game. He have had hints about writers for most of the other characters... Including Sera. That is what throws me off.

[ElitePinecone]

At the end of the book he also

Spoiler

drops the pretense that he is human

. There is part of me that wonders if Cole's presence in the "leaked" survey wasn't just a way to get people to buy the book. I know that is why I bought it. To me, and I know the mileage varies, there was nothing about Cole that screamed possible companion to me. Possible cameo/antagonist... but never companion.

 

Wait, what?

 

The survey was unintentionally leaked. It gave away companion descriptions and character concepts years before we were meant to see them. Bioware have been trying to ignore that it exists since it came out, and it had survey respondents' IP addresses on the images so they could be criminally charged if they leaked the information. 

 

If you think it was planted wih false information and deliberately spread around to get people to buy Asunder, that's one heck of a conspiracy o___O

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Not sure about Scribe Lady as a romance since we literally know nothing about her, but I think the rest of this is spot on.

 

The only question mark I have is over the last rogue spot being Cole or somebody else, and at this point I'm leaning more towards Cole because he was in the survey.

I think Scribe Girl will probably be the female NPC romance if we HAVE a female NPC romance, because they probably wont override past romances with Leliana or Morrigan and those are the only other major female NPCs that we've had. It depends on if they're going for a balanced 6 romances, or if Cullen is just an extra, 5th romance. 

 

Well, and also assuming that Cullen is an NPC and that they wont replace a companion romance with an NPC romance.

[TKavatar]

But there is a reason why alpha footage always comes with a disclaimer about things not making it to the final game. He have had hints about writers for most of the other characters... Including Sera. That is what throws me off.

But the Warden has been seen in a bunch of concept art as well, plus he was featured in a blog post about armour customisation. I don't think he's going to be cut.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

But there is a reason why alpha footage always comes with a disclaimer about things not making it to the final game. He have had hints about writers for most of the other characters... Including Sera. That is what throws me off.

I agree, it's not 100% confirmation. It's just some circumstantial evidence in his favor, which is all we have for all but a few people. 

[GVulture]

I agree, it's not 100% confirmation. It's just some circumstantial evidence in his favor, which is all we have for all but a few people. 

The only one person with even LESS confirmation is DHMG.

The thing that bothers me is this announcement of a 3/3/3 split because there isn't even a whiff of smoke for a third rogue party member right now.

 

There is Cole, from the leaked survey... but no art. No screen shots. No alpha footage. No possible writer. And most agree that while interesting, he might not be a good fit for the Inquisition.