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[Nocte ad Mortem]

Depends on whether or not the Templar felt they would serve better in the Seekers. Cullen seemed to me to be more of the "protect and help mages" type of Templar than a "seek out rogue mages and random investigative stuff" Seeker. As in, he took his oath to protect mages when he could very seriously (at least once he stopped being scared of them that is.) If chosen to be a Seeker, I wouldn't see him giving that up... if that makes sense?

I think Cullen is an extremely talented individual with a lot of history as a soldier. I wouldn't say he's an unreasonable candidate. I don't really think he'd be in great standing after the Meredith situation, though, which wouldn't make him a great candidate for promotion for other reasons besides his base capability. 

 

I'm not really AGAINST Cullen as a party member. As compared to the other warrior concepts, I think he's at least comparable. I actually like him better than Cassandra, but she's already confirmed and we need the female slots. But even if I like Cullen, I don't know, I'm just feeling the evidence isn't with him as a companion. It's not necessarily that I don't want it to be. If he's a LI and available to males, I'll be disappointed I can't take him everywhere. I'd trade him out for Iron Bull, if it was up to me. I'm just not feeling that as what's going to happen. 

[ElitePinecone]

Ok so it does look like a staff on closer inspection. I thought it was a trident at first.

But if he's the mage companion and Cole is the rogue companion then there is a serious disparity between the number of men and women in our group.

 

Yes, which is potentially unfortunate.

 

But as other people have pointed out, a fair few important NPCs are women - Leliana, Morrigan, the Empress Celene, potentially even the Divine and Scribe Lady. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I also think they might be banking on the major female NPCs to balance the gender spectrum. They also confirmed Flemeth being in the game, to some capacity. 

[Hellion Rex]

Got my fingers crossed for maybe a dual wielding female rogue to be our final companion, along with "Dorian".

[ElitePinecone]

- Cassandra is a warrior.

 

- Grey Warden has been seen with a sword and shield.

 

- Iron Bull was said to be a two-handed warrior at PAX.

 

That leaves no room for Cullen.

[GVulture]

I think Cullen is an extremely talented individual with a lot of history as a soldier. I wouldn't say he's an unreasonable candidate. I don't really think he'd be in great standing after the Meredith situation, though, which wouldn't make him a great candidate for promotion for other reasons besides his base capability. 

 

I'm not really AGAINST Cullen as a party member. As compared to the other warrior concepts, I think he's at least comparable. I actually like him better than Cassandra, but she's already confirmed and we need the female slots. But even if I like Cullen, I don't know, I'm just feeling the evidence isn't with him as a companion. It's not necessarily that I don't want it to be. If he's a LI and available to males, I'll be disappointed I can't take him everywhere. I'd trade him out for Iron Bull, if it was up to me. I'm just not feeling that as what's going to happen. 

You know, I didn't think that Cullen would be a good military adviser until I remembered that if he was... it is probably because he knows how Templars and Seekers might act in a given confrontation... Which might work if the main enemies are all the Red Templars, but if we're fighting elves and Orlesian troops too... I can't see him being useful there. Templars aren't exactly trained in large scale combat... As far as we know/have seen. Of course... maybe we will learn he is another noble son with all kinds of training and conditioning before his templar-tude times. We don't know much about him other than "I ARE TEMPLAR!"

[Steppenwolf]

Accepting that Bioware has instituted non companion romances (to account for Cullen's LI status) and there is nothing from Bioware to indicate that these were on the table.

They already did it with ME2 and ME3. The DA team is always borrowing ideas from the ME games so why not this?

I didn't say it was. It is still a branch that STEMS from the Seekers and Templars. They just got absorbed into the Seekers when they decided to fold into the Chantry. So says the World of Thedas. They were supposed to be a branch that served as a check and balance between the Templars and the Seekers before the the Templar/Seeker Order decided to defer to the Chantry and the Divine instead.

You have it entirely backward. The Inquisition existed separately from the Chantry. It eventually joined the chantry and became the Templars and Seekers. The Inquisition ceased to be when it merged with the Chantry.

[Sister Goldring]

Nope, I think Iron Bull is in a warrior slot for sure, we've just seen to much of him and he was glistening about in the big video release too.

Cass, IB, Beardy or Cullen.... I don't think it looks good for Cullen in this line up but he is the confirmed romance so either he's in and Beardy's out, he's not a warrior anymore, they've changed the nature of romances to include non companions or the 3-3-3 split info is wrong. This really isn't getting me anywhere!

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Other female NPCs we might see; Briala, Fiona, Adrian.

 

Male NPCs I can think of; Gaspard, Michel, Alistair, Rhys.. ?

 

That's actually all I've got. It seems like they have a lot more female NPCs around. lol

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You know, I didn't think that Cullen would be a good military adviser until I remembered that if he was... it is probably because he knows how Templars and Seekers might act in a given confrontation... Which might work if the main enemies are all the Red Templars, but if we're fighting elves and Orlesian troops too... I can't see him being useful there. Templars aren't exactly trained in large scale combat... As far as we know/have seen. Of course... maybe we will learn he is another noble son with all kinds of training and conditioning before his templar-tude times. We don't know much about him other than "I ARE TEMPLAR!"

I imagine they will give us a reason for taking on the companions and advisors, whoever they are. I'm pretty confident they'll give us a good reason. That's why I'm not concerned about the "best of the best" issue with anyone, particularly.  

[GVulture]

They already did it with ME2 and ME3. The DA team is always borrowing ideas from the ME games so why not this?


You have it entirely backward. The Inquisition existed separately from the Chantry. It eventually joined the chantry and became the Templars and Seekers. The Inquisition ceased to be when it merged with the Chantry.

Ahhhh. Okay.

[Sister Goldring]

They already did it with ME2 and ME3. The DA team is always borrowing ideas from the ME games so why not this?

You have it entirely backward. The Inquisition existed separately from the Chantry. It eventually joined the chantry and became the Templars and Seekers. The Inquisition ceased to be when it merged with the Chantry.

For sure it's possible this is what they've done but there is no evidence for it. As I said earlier though, there is no reason that Bioware would necessarily provide that sort of detail to us either, so it's absolutely a plausible theory. I just feel that the whole big Pax reveal today has opened up more questions than it's answered but that was probably their intention going in

[Nethalf]

Warriors:

- Cassandra

- Iron Bull

- Cullen

 

Mages:

- Vivienne

- Solas

- Dorian

 

Rogues:

- Varric

- Sera

- secret companion, most likely a female, someone completely unknown and hidden by Bioware.

 

I ain't buy these Cole rumours. I think Gaider's right, Cole's just a kid and has to grow up mentally to be a companion and LI. But he might appear in DA4-5-6, five or ten or twenty years later.

[TKavatar]

Warriors:
- Cassandra
- Iron Bull
- Cullen
 
Mages:
- Vivienne
- Solas
- Dorian
 
Rogues:
- Varric
- Sera
- secret companion, most likely a female, someone completely unknown and hidden by Bioware.
 
I ain't buy these Cole rumours. I think Gaider's right, Cole's just a kid and has to grow up mentally to be a companion and LI. But he might appear in DA4-5-6, five or ten or twenty years later.

You forgot the Bearded Warden in your haste to make Cullen a companion LI.

[ElitePinecone]

I imagine they will give us a reason for taking on the companions and advisors, whoever they are. I'm pretty confident they'll give us a good reason. That's why I'm not concerned about the "best of the best" issue with anyone, particularly.  

 

And just to play devil's advocate (pun intentional) for Cole being in the party, a spirit who can turn invisible, make people forget him and who seems to stick around in the physical world without a host would be one of the most unique companions they've ever done. The mystery of what he is, alone, and what that says about the lore of spirits/demons/The Fade is extremely interesting.

 

I think if we're looking to find Cole's story hook, it's the nature of his existence and fitting into a world that doesn't recognise or acknowledge him. Those are some fairly weighty issues, and I think there's a lot of potential there. 

 

The devs are always talking about taking inspiration from older RPGs like Planescape Torment, which I've never played, but that seems to have all sorts of zany companions who are far more varied than anything DA has ever done. I think a spirit with an identity crisis is pretty unique, given that the rest of the party are fairly grounded (if exceptional) mages, Seekers, Wardens, etc, etc.

[Steppenwolf]

Ponygeek, you forgot about the Warden.

As I said earlier though there is no reason that Bioware would necessarily provide that sort of detail to us either, so it's absolutely a plausible theory.

What reason do they need? It's their game, to market how they see fit. What does this even mean, there is no reason? Romances are a big part of their games. They have every reason to hype them.

[ElitePinecone]

I ain't buy these Cole rumours. I think Gaider's right, Cole's just a kid and has to grow up mentally to be a companion and LI. But he might appear in DA4-5-6, five or ten or twenty years later.

 

I should point out that it's slightly more than a rumour. Cole had a companion bio in a survey in September 2012.

 

 

 

• A long time ago, a young man died a cruel death in a dark place. And now, somehow, there is Cole. Was he a spirit or a demon? Is he human now? Cole’s not sure it matters anymore. Hounded by memories that aren’t his, invisible in a world he can stalk like a shadow, the rogue must decide between joining the living or preying on them.

 

And if Dorian/DHMG is the last mage, we do need a rogue. That calls Cole a rogue. 

[TKavatar]

I should point out that it's slightly more than a rumour. Cole had a companion bio in a survey in September 2012.

And if Dorian/DHMG is the last mage, we do need a rogue. That calls Cole a rogue.

Cole would be too OP. They would have to nerf his powers so he doesn't become a gamebreaker.

[Nethalf]

You forgot the Bearded Warden in your haste to make Cullen a companion LI.

There's no haste at all, I'm not a cullenite if you're tryin to point that out. I just think evidences on Cullen being a companion (20+ hours of dialogues and Greg's confirmation-- even if he tried to say later that he had no idea what 'companion' means) are more convincing than that pre-alpha vid with the Warden in it.

[Sister Goldring]

I meant that there is no reason to assume that Bioware would feel the need to tell us they have included non companion romances, instead of just calling them romances. They aren't exactly forthcoming with huge amounts of detailed information yet. So to be clear I am agreeing with you and saying that even though they haven't ever mentioned non companion romances for DA before doesn't mean they haven't included them in this game and just not told us about them yet.

[mordy_was_here]

Uh, tweets of twenty hours in a recording studio (Joker had a crap ton of lines too, mind you) are more evidence then gameplay footage and a wealth of concept art?

[Steppenwolf]

There's no haste at all, I'm not a cullenit if you're tryin to point that out. I just think evidences on Cullen being a companion (20+ hours of dialogues and Greg's confirmation-- even if he tried to say later that he had no idea what 'companion' means) are more convincing than that pre-alpha vid with the Warden in it.

Ellis was never asked if he was playing a companion, he was asked if Cullen offered companionship. And the Warden has been in the game from the beginning, going all the way back to the armor presentation, predating the games' announcement. Then factor in being in 3 or 4 times as much concept art and being a full-fledged companion in a gameplay video and he seems a hell of a lot more likely to be a companion to any reasonable person.

[ElitePinecone]

Cole would be too OP. They would have to nerf his powers so he doesn't become a gamebreaker.

 

Of course. Just saying though, that at some point he was considered a rogue.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I ain't buy these Cole rumours. I think Gaider's right, Cole's just a kid and has to grow up mentally to be a companion and LI. But he might appear in DA4-5-6, five or ten or twenty years later.

Gaider actually didn't really imply this. He never implied Cole was unfit to be a companion. He said he had no concept of sex or physical intimacy. It's possible that fade creatures just don't have any concept or desire of this. Cole may never be suitable as a love interest, but Gaider never really said he wasn't suitable as a companion. If Gaider really thought that, I doubt his concept would have been on the table when the survey was leaked, to begin with.

[Aner91]

There's no haste at all, I'm not a cullenit if you're tryin to point that out. I just think evidences on Cullen being a companion (20+ hours of dialogues and Greg's confirmation-- even if he tried to say later that he had no idea what 'companion' means) are more convincing than that pre-alpha vid with the Warden in it.

 

lol, it's more then just "one vid"...go back some pages, if you haven't already, or search for my name in this thread or search for some info on your own, but trust me, it's more then one vid . i mean why "waste" time and resources on artwork, in-game models if you won't use them? Anyhow i don't care enough about Cullen to want him in a party, so i won't use him if he is a companion, nothing gained or lost i guess...