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[Knight of Dane]

The codex in DA2 confirms this, yes.

It's a codex entry you will find in the Harimann Estate in Act 2.

 

http://dragonage.wik...vine_Justinia_V

 

Formerly the Revered Mother Dorothea of Orlais, Divine Justinia V rose to power after the death of Divine Beatrix III in the year 9:34 of the Dragon Age. Little is known of Dorothea's background before she joined the Chantry as an initiate. Within the Grand Cathedral, rivals suggest that her reticence in discussing her past means she's hiding something; few of her flock, however, can imagine her as anyone other than a gentle mother of obvious faith.

 

When Beatrix III was felled by a massive stroke, she survived just long enough to put forth Dorothea's name as a candidate for her replacement. Grand Clerics from throughout Thedas flocked to Orlais for the Grand Consensus, a private meeting between the heads of all Chantries to select the next Divine.

 

 

Though ritual demanded the decision be unanimous, servants attending the Consensus whispered of heated debate over Dorothea's suitability. Her "worldly" background and demonstrated forgiveness for sinners were held against her; utimately, however, the will of Beatrix III prevailed, and Dorothea began her reign as Justinia V.

[Barrendall]

They reused settings from Origins instead of creating brand new Orlesian settings, like Denerim.

Looks like I'm going to buy the dlc after all.  Without playing it my speculation really has no merit.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sister Nightingale

well considering that she is dumb enough to tell her name to strangers when she is spying for divine and expose on danger possible loved ones i wouldn't say that would work for long...

[Lenimph]

well considering that she is dumb enough to tell her name to strangers when she is spying for divine and expose on danger possible loved ones i wouldn't say that would work for long...

Strangers? You mean Hawke & friends? They were proven allies she was supposed to meet in the first place... Plus Isabela is hardly a stranger in certain play-throughs.  Or are you talking about events in Asunder?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Strangers? You mean Hawke & friends? They were proven allies she was supposed to meet in the first place... Plus Isabela is hardly a stranger in certain play-throughs.  Or are you talking about events in Asunder?

 

Yeah i meant hawke and his "friends" hawke who can be pro-mage and guy that is/will be terrorist soon don't mention other suspicious party members yeah if she truested them in ther first meeting to tell her identity she is stupid and naive in practice she told what she was doing and who she not mention who her loved ones are is to guys that she didn't know or know almost nothing 

[Wolfen09]

If I remember correctly, if you romanced leliana in origins and kept your character for awakening then there is a letter from her in your codex.  It states that she was regretful that she could not be by your side for the grand cleric of orlais had called upon her for some unknown reason.  If my understanding of the timeline is correct, awakening took place in 9:31 Dragon and later, so would that not mean she was already working for the divine before the new one took over?

[azarhal]

If I remember correctly, if you romanced leliana in origins and kept your character for awakening then there is a letter from her in your codex.  It states that she was regretful that she could not be by your side for the grand cleric of orlais had called upon her for some unknown reason.  If my understanding of the timeline is correct, awakening took place in 9:31 Dragon and later, so would that not mean she was already working for the divine before the new one took over?

 

At least working for the Chantry. There is also something about her leading an expedition for the Urns of Sacred Ashes (depending on your choices).

 

Although, I have a crazy theory that she was working for the Chantry even before you recruited her. If you talk to the people in Lothering without her in your party (but she need to have been recruited or talked to) you learn that she was considered weird by the locals.

[LobselVith8]

If I remember correctly, if you romanced leliana in origins and kept your character for awakening then there is a letter from her in your codex.  It states that she was regretful that she could not be by your side for the grand cleric of orlais had called upon her for some unknown reason.  If my understanding of the timeline is correct, awakening took place in 9:31 Dragon and later, so would that not mean she was already working for the divine before the new one took over?

 

It seems Dorothea approached Leliana before she became the new leader of the Chantry, Divine Justinia V.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is rather doubtful that she was working for dorothea before dragon age not couting leliana song despite that we have some suspicious things about it. We know that she was in lothering for 2 years and never received messages or meet with someone.About weird part well we are talking about leliana who claims that talk with maker even our party members see her as weird at best not mention that she didn't had many friends considering that she was often in tavern drinking alone add shady past and peoples will consider you weird... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is rather doubtful that she was working for dorothea before dragon age not couting leliana song despite that we have some suspicious things about it. We know that she was in lothering for 2 years and never received messages or meet with someone.About weird part well we are talking about leliana who claims that talk with maker even our party members see her as weird at best not mention that she didn't had many friends considering that she was often in tavern drinking alone add shady past and peoples will consider you weird... 

What does her having no ties to others have to do with her not being selected to work with Dorothea. In fact, her social separation makes her an ideal candidate for the job. It's easy to blend in the crowd when nobody knows who you are.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What does her having no ties to others have to do with her not being selected to work with Dorothea. In fact, her social separation makes her an ideal candidate for the job. It's easy to blend in the crowd when nobody knows who you are.

It is clear that marjolene was watching her very carefully (she was paranoid) as soon she left she send troops after her and she said that she never contacted with anybody not mention as i said she spend 2 years being in lothering. And what would be benefit in it for grand cleric if she had this status in that point which i doubt.And pretty much every knew her in lothering so well... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is clear that marjolene was watching her very carefully (she was paranoid) as soon she left she send troops after her and she said that she never contacted with anybody not mention as i said she spend 2 years being in lothering. And what would be benefit in it for grand cleric if she had this status in that point which i doubt.And pretty much every knew her in lothering so well... 

You clearly aren't on the same tpic as me. I'm saying that the skills she obtained in Lothering of detaching herself from others will be a positive consideration for her to be trained by the Chantry later on. Same reasoning MI6 had in the James Bond franchise of training orphans to be special agents. The best people to operate in the shadows are those who have no attachment to the light. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

You clearly aren't on the same tpic as me. I'm saying that the skills she obtained in Lothering of detaching herself from others will be a positive consideration for her to be trained by the Chantry later on. Same reasoning MI6 had in the James Bond franchise of training orphans to be special agents. The best people to operate in the shadows are those who have no attachment to the light. 

She didn't had/lernt those skills in lothering she was bard before but i wouldn't say that her emotional level is on level of teen considering how easily we can manipulate her emotions and how naive she is when it comes to relationship.in practice only reason she was there because she had to hide and keep head low then she started miss old times and went with the warden or just left.  

[Lenimph]

Yeah i meant hawke and his "friends" hawke who can be pro-mage and guy that is/will be terrorist soon don't mention other suspicious party members yeah if she truested them in ther first meeting to tell her identity she is stupid and naive in practice she told what she was doing and who she not mention who her loved ones are is to guys that she didn't know or know almost nothing 

The Divine has not taken a stance on whether she is pro mage or templar at this point of the series. She is merely gathering information from the person who has been in the middle of the Kirkwall mage/templar tension. So Hawke being pro-mage doesn't really matter...  And again that isn't the case anyway... because Hawke's family knows who Leliana is, or at least Bethany did and Aveline, so to say they are complete strangers is not true. Also Anders was with the warden in Awakening for majority of people's play through so to say that he's a stranger is mostly not accurate, given if the warden romanced Leliana (the only person she refers to as a loved one) he probably would have already known or heard  about it being an ex-warden. So yep.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Divine has not taken a stance on whether she is pro mage or templar at this point of the series. She is merely gathering information from the person who has been in the middle of the Kirkwall mage/templar tension. So Hawke being pro-mage doesn't really matter...  And again that isn't the case anyway... because Hawke's family knows who Leliana is, or at least Bethany did and Aveline, so to say they are complete strangers is not true. Also Anders was with the warden in Awakening for majority of people's play through so to say that he's a stranger is mostly not accurate, given if the warden romanced Leliana (the only person she refers to as a loved one) he probably would have already known or heard  about it being an ex-warden. So yep.

So it is ok telling your enemies your secrets and gave them track to your loved ones eee? First leliana meet hawke for first time (unless you will finish mota before that quest) and then he travels with many suspicious peoples from criminals and blood mage to anti-chantry terrorist very dumb from her side to tell her identity to peoples she know a little and can be her enemies and hawke can be one of them then add to that she as i said told who her lover is so can send troubles to the warden...

[Lenimph]

So it is ok telling your enemies your secrets and gave them track to your loved ones eee? First leliana meet hawke for first time (unless you will finish mota before that quest) and then he travels with many suspicious peoples from criminals and blood mage to anti-chantry terrorist very dumb from her side to tell her identity to peoples she know a little and can be her enemies and hawke can be one of them then add to that she as i said told who her lover is so can send troubles to the warden...

Being pro-mage in the Kirkwall war doesn't equivalate to being the enemy of Leliana or the Divine.  And she didn't tell any secrets just advised the Hawke to warn the Grand Cleric (hell Leliana at this point might have even known what Anders was planning as she seems pretty adamant that the Grand Cleric leave Kirkwall). Also her alias has always been something of a gag. She is often recognized as "THE Leliana"  from anyone who was paying attention to what was happening in Ferelden. 

 

And again I will stress it is likely they have met even before MOTA (even though Hawke might not remember) because Bethany mentions her in one of her party dialogs.

 

Also no one knows where the Warden is so... yeah.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Being pro-mage in the Kirkwall war doesn't equivalate to being the enemy of Leliana or the Divine.  And she didn't tell any secrets just advised the Hawke to warn the Grand Cleric (hell Leliana at this point might have even known what Anders was planning as she seems pretty adamant that the Grand Cleric leave Kirkwall). Also her alias has always been something of a gag. She is often recognized as "THE Leliana"  from anyone who was paying attention to what was happening in Ferelden. 

 

And again I will stress it is likely they have met even before MOTA (even though Hawke might not remember) because Bethany mentions her in one of her party dialogs.

 

Also no one knows where the Warden is so... yeah.

 

Well she told her identity and for who she is working peoples she don't know it is just stupid and as i said she told who her loved ones are at least 1 what spy could do that?Well they both didn't renember that if that is in case what doesn't that you tell your identity random peoples when you are working as spy...

 

About the warden we don't know when they vanished because there is a lot holes about that so it could be after 3 third act or before but alistair mentioned that s/he should be in denerim (what i hope isn't true) considering that my warden left wardens... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

About the warden we don't know when they vanished because there is a lot holes about that so it could be after 3 third act or before but alistair mentioned that s/he should be in denerim (what i hope isn't true) considering that my warden left wardens... 

You can never leave the Wardens, TKS. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

You can never leave the Wardens, TKS. 

Anders?

 

You can anders admitted it you can leave oranisation and pretty much they won't send anyone after you but you can't remove taint (at least we don't know way we can do that at this point) rest is just dogmatic bull that wardens tell.Pretty much even alistair says that "wardens rather can't stop you?" pretty much there is a little reason why you couldn't leave wardens.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Anders?

 

You can anders admitted it you can leave oranisation and pretty much they won't send anyone after you but you can't remove taint (at least we don't know way we can do that at this point) others is just dogmatic bull that warden tell.Pretty much even alistair says that "wardens rather can't stop you?" pretty much there is a little reason why you couldn't leave wardens.

No, in Legacy even Anders says "I guess it's true. You never really can leave the Wardens." Regardless what you do, you'll eventually embark on the final mission of the Wardens: The Calling.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, in Legacy even Anders says "I guess it's true. You never really can leave the Wardens." 

eee and what he did did he come back to wardens nope...

 

As i said you can leave organisation but you can't remove taint at least known methods it is rather stupid to think that you can't leave wardens tell me why you couldn't tell "i quit good luck..."

 

 

No, in Legacy even Anders says "I guess it's true. You never really can leave the Wardens." Regardless what you do, you'll eventually embark on the final mission of the Wardens: The Calling.

 

And calling is another bull in practice it is nothing more grey wardens tradition that tooks some darkspawn you don't have to do that you can kill yourself in 1000 others way or just stay ghoul or even take avernus route.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

eee and what he did did he come back to wardens nope...

 

As i said you can leave organisation but you can't remove taint at least known methods it is rather stupid to think that you can't leave wardens tell me why you couldn't tell "i quit good luck..."

Give him a couple decades. He will finish his Warden duties eventually. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Give him a couple decades. He will finish his Warden duties eventually. 

Mahaha do you mean anders that will spend rest of his days fighting with chantry?

 

or perhaps my warden who love use brain  and would like live couple centuries like avernus besides calling isn't necessity it is only ritual that grey warden preform in practice you could just jump off the cliff or kill yourself in other ways or just stay ghoul like larius or as i said find way to live long like avernus or just find cure pretty much nothing you are not forced what wardens want not counting joining. you could pretty much spend that +/- 30 years as hermit not caring about wardens.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mahaha do you mean anders that will spend rest of his days fighting with chantry?

 

or perhaps my warden who love use brain  and would like live couple centuries like avernus besides calling isn't necessity it is only ritual that grey warden preform in practice you could just jump off the cliff or kill yourself in other ways or just stay ghoul like larius or as i said find way to live long like avernus or just find cure pretty much nothing you are not forced what wardens want not counting joining. you could pretty much spend that +/- 30 years as hermit not caring about wardens.  

No, I meant in a couple decades he'll start the long walk down the Deep Roads. 

 

And despite what you do, the Wardens will always consider you one of their own, so even if you no longer fight they will see it as you never leaving the Wardens.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, I meant in a couple decades he'll start the long walk down the Deep Roads. 

 

And despite what you do, the Wardens will always consider you one of their own, so even if you no longer fight they will see it as you never leaving the Wardens.

Who do you know it is his decision and he might want take some chantry/templars with him instead darkspawn...

 

Well pretty much it is their call you can cut off every bonds with wardens pretty much as my neighbor may think that im member of his club because (put reasons here) when im rly not.