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[GVulture]

Audacity was sundered from the Fade and bound to a stature for a millennia. It wasn't in a position to accept sacrifices or anything like that, headcanon or not. And Marethari's actions in Act III may have been the result of Audacity, since it lead her to free it from it's prison.

So, gonna ignore that Merrill says she spoke to him? And the lore that says blood magic is precisely this... making sacrifices for a demon contract? The reason blood magic makes the mage more powerful is because of deals they've struck with them.

[Mistic]

Merril destroyed the mirror, blamed herself for her mentor's death and helped Hawke restore order to Kirkwall.

 

Why would I ever hate her for choices? We ended up agreeing with each other.

 

Merril is a good mage; her disbelief over what the Magisters are willing to do for power does her credit. I just wish she hadn't experimented with a potentially dangerous magical artifact, using blood magic, at the behest of a demon, in the middle of an overflowing city where the Veil has more holes than the moon.

 

My thoughts exactly. She's a nice girl, it's just that toying with a Pride demon is a very bad idea, and that eluvian brought darkspawn to a forest, in a city it could be a disaster. I played both the friendship route and the rivalmance route with her, and I liked the later better.

[Shadow Fox]

*eats popcorn*

[Master Warder Z_]

So, gonna ignore that Merrill says she spoke to him? And the lore that says blood magic is precisely this... making sacrifices for a demon contract?

 

Vult, you are new here to this subject and i will say this.

 

Already went this route, he ignored that Demons don't give trinkets away for free, that you need to deal with them.

 

My point is this, you won't win any brownie points here.

 

A for effort but there is nothing to be gained here.

[GVulture]

Vult, you are new here to this subject and i will say this.

 

Already went this route, he ignored that Demons don't give trinkets away for free, that you need to deal with them.

 

My point is this, you won't win any brownie points here.

 

A for effort but there is nothing to be gained here.

*sigh* Standing down then.

[LobselVith8]

So, gonna ignore that Merrill says she spoke to him? And the lore that says blood magic is precisely this... making sacrifices for a demon contract?

Audacity spoke to Marethari and Merrill in the short story; that doesn't necessitate freeing it. It also showed them images as well.

And that's not what the lore says on blood magic, since even WoT reads that some mages are taught blood magic by senior mages. This is also supported by the Orlesian Warden asking the Baroness to teach him blood magic, at a time he thinks she's simply another mage.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It was pretty strongly implied that the Eluvian that Merrill had was, for whatever reason, forming a direct connection with the Black City. That's super dangerous to mess with, but at the same time, I really do think it was too important to just throw away. I wish there was actually a way to find a safer, more effective way to fix it. I never had her destroy it, just because it seemed like such an interesting plot device. 

 

Not that this is really even on topic. lol

[BlueMagitek]

So, from the past, what, six pages, I'm pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Merrill is not really a moderate character because she isn't really informed on either side, spending all her time on the Eluvian.

 

So, moving on~~

[LobselVith8]

Vult, you are new here to this subject and i will say this.

Already went this route, he ignored that Demons don't give trinkets away for free, that you need to deal with them.

I pointed out that Audacity was still trapped after teaching Merrill blood magic. No one in the narrative suggests she had to make a deal in order to learn it. Even in Act III, Marethari never implies as much.

The fact that Marethari let Audacity loose for a completely different reason than her opposition in Act I and II might suggest that the Keeper was her real target.

My point is this, you won't win any brownie points here.

Because the fact that Audacity has been sundered from the Fade and trapped in a statute for a millennia is continually glossed over by you.

A for effort but there is nothing to be gained here.

Because the narrative doesn't support that Audacity was anything but impotent, as long as it remained trapped?

[GVulture]

So, from the past, what, six pages, I'm pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Merrill is not really a moderate character because she isn't really informed on either side, spending all her time on the Eluvian.

 

So, moving on~~

Agreed.

 

So... moderate Templars...

 

Thrask, Cullen, Kerran? Anyone else?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Agreed.

 

So... moderate Templars...

 

Thrask, Cullen, Kerran? Anyone else?

Ser Otto and Ser Agatha I consider very moderate Templars. 

[LobselVith8]

It was pretty strongly implied that the Eluvian that Merrill had was, for whatever reason, forming a direct connection with the Black City. That's super dangerous to mess with, but at the same time, I really do think it was too important to just throw away. I wish there was actually a way to find a safer, more effective way to fix it. I never had her destroy it, just because it seemed like such an interesting plot device.

Not that this is really even on topic. lol

Tamlen saw an underground city, not the Black City. The taint was the initial issue that corrupted Tamlen and the Dalish protagonist.

[Master Warder Z_]

Agreed.

 

So... moderate Templars...

 

Thrask, Cullen, Kerran? Anyone else?

 

Thrask is about as far from Templar temperament as you want to be, I agree he was a fine man but even he admits his compassion destroyed his daughter.

 

You figure he would learn his lesson there but he doesn't.

 

He was a noble man but his mercy was a weakness a templar must not have.

[GVulture]

Ser Otto and Ser Agatha I consider very moderate Templars. 

Gregiore? Or however you spell that?

[AresKeith]

Gregiore? Or however you spell that?

 

yep, Greagoir was a good guy

[GVulture]

Thrask is about as far from Templar temperament as you want to be, I agree he was a fine man but even he admits his compassion destroyed his daughter.

 

You figure he would learn his lesson there but he doesn't.

 

He was a noble man but his mercy was a weakness a templar must not have.

He was a Templar calling for mercy and fair treatment. Maybe a bit too... generous most of the time... but his ideals are admirable.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ser Otto and Ser Agatha I consider very moderate Templars. 

 

Agatha again, fine woman it seems but she suffered from having too much mercy for Mages and their accomplices.

 

Is it better i wonder to be firm in you're conviction and lax in morality or is it to be set in morality and weak in conviction?

 

The Templars have both those mindsets.

[LobselVith8]

So, from the past, what, six pages, I'm pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Merrill is not really a moderate character because she isn't really informed on either side, spending all her time on the Eluvian.

So, moving on~~

Merrill is informed enough to have discussions with Hawke and Anders about the situations pertaining to mages throughout the course of seven years, so I don't see how she's not informed.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'd say Act 1 Thrask was a moderate templar. By the end though, he seemed so anti-Meredith he forsook his original duties

[GVulture]

yep, Greagoir was a good guy

I always felt Greagoir and Irving were a good team. Even if I side-eye Irving for his possibly damaging and dangerous "trying to get one over on my counterpart" thing he does.

 

Although, Orsino was this way too, but to a greater extreme. At least, Irving knew not to let blood mages run around willy nilly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Agatha again, fine woman it seems but she suffered from having too much mercy for Mages and their accomplices.

 

Is it better i wonder to be firm in you're conviction and lax in morality or is it to be set in morality and weak in conviction?

 

The Templars have both those mindsets.

No, the only ones she wanted to spare were the family members. The apostates themselves she had no problem with killing them if they resisted being taken into custody.

[Mistic]

Agreed.

 

So... moderate Templars...

 

Thrask, Cullen, Kerran? Anyone else?

 

Greagoir, maybe? He was a bit harsh on the Warden mage, but he was righ about Jowan doing things he shouldn't. And although he asked for the Annulment, he was happy enough when the Warden solved the situation and let the non-possessed mages live. And when Cullen suggested harsher methods, he refused.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

He was a Templar calling for mercy and fair treatment. Maybe a bit too... generous most of the time... but his ideals are admirable.

 

No disputing that, but Thedas isn't a nice nor fair place.

 

You cannot preach what he preaches in that world.

 

  Would be a better world if ideologies like that became more then just issues for violence or revolution.

 

But Thedas hasn't gotten to the point were forums of thought have overtaken the points of swords.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Gregiore? Or however you spell that?

Greagoir is another one.

[Master Warder Z_]

No, the only ones she wanted to spare were the family members. The apostates themselves she had no problem with killing them if they resisted being taken into custody.

 

I know, i am just pointing out her compassion dooms her to die.