A good amount, until proven otherwise. It's a case by case basis. Some are untrustworthy, some are not.
And to be fair, Hawke REALLY should have told Thrask that Grace wanted to Hawke to kill him so that she could escape. It seems really irresponsible not to warn the good Templar that Grace is one that should have an eye kept on her.
And you have the choice not to hurt them and to keep the Templars from doing it so...???
One Templar argues that they are equally guilty, the other than their only crime was helping family.
You decide with which one to side and fight the other.
Certainly, but Thrask's trust costed him his life. This is not like lending twenty coppers, we're talking about the lives of people and the very existence of non-magical society.
There is much to lose by placing one's faith in the wrong mage.
And yet it is a gamble Thedas will have to take again and again.
Hardly. Heck, the templars only have a standing order to kill maleficar on sight. These were only apostates, not blood mages.
Under Meredith's rule, she deemed them one and the same.
I stand corrected.
Still being part of a known insurgency and interfering with Templar duties is enough.
Enough to murder them? No. Imprison, yes.
Hardly. Heck, the templars only have a standing order to kill maleficar on sight. These were only apostates, not blood mages.
Erm the Mage Underground does have blood mages you realize.
Heck the mage leader in this VERY quest is a blood mage.
So hush Elu, its the Maker's will...Not my dad, ME!
I don't care if i had to move back in with him...
Certainly, but Thrask's trust costed him his life. This is not like lending twenty coppers, we're talking about the lives of people and the very existence of non-magical society.
There is much to lose by placing one's faith in the wrong mage.
Thrask's level of laxity was just asking for trouble though. I think there are reasonable levels of trust to place in a mage before you reach Thrask's "Blood magic? demon summoning? Sure, do whatever."
And you have the choice not to hurt them and to keep the Templars from doing it so...???
Yeah, Mettin wants to kill them since they aided apostates but agatha says their duty as a Templar stops at the apostates and not the nonmages who helped them. They fight and you can side with one or the other.
I stand corrected.
Still being part of a known insurgency and interfering with Templar duties is enough.
Not really, since Templars are only to police mages. Nonmages fall outside their jurisdiction. They could bring them to the city guard, but that's about it.
Enough to murder them? No. Imprison, yes.
Siding with Mettin during that little quest is one of the few super jerk ass things to do in DA2, there aren't many that would argue that it is an example of super bad Templars at work.
Enough to murder them? No. Imprison, yes.
So they get free room and board at tax payer expens...never mind *realized what time period this was*
Completely fine with that.
That said, we don't know if that is ultimately what happens to them, Mettin still seems the proper course to me.
And yet it is a gamble Thedas will have to take again and again.
Yes but we should, at least, place restrictive measures in case our trust was misplaced.
Uldred was trusted after his Harrowing; he should not have been but when he became an Abomination, he did so inside of a Circle where he failed to kill a single civillian.
Not really, since Templars are only to police mages. Nonmages fall outside their jurisdiction. They could bring them to the city guard, but that's about it.
They were part of a mage insurgency, Their crime falls into the magical nature.
Its The Templar Bali wick, not that of guardsmen.
So they get free room and board at tax payer expens...never mind *realized what time period this was*
Completely fine with that.
That said, we don't know if that is ultimately what happens to them, Mettin still seems the proper course to me.
Not surprised you'd say that, Mr. "Everyone should feel true pain."
They were part of a mage insurgency, Their crime falls into the magical nature.
Its The Templar Bali wick, not that of guardsmen.
Hence why I said they can bring them and those charges to the city guard. But they do not have the authority to execute them by themselves.
Yes but we should, at least, place restrictive measures in case our trust was misplaced.
Uldred was trusted after his Harrowing; he should not have been but when he became an Abomination, he did so inside of a Circle where he failed to kill a single civillian.
So what restrictions would you place in the case of an Uldred situation? I haven't the faintest clue what would prevent what he pulled off.
The expectations on templars from some here in DA2 is absurd to me. No sane person would keep blindly taking orders from a person that is clearly insane. Meredith was just as bad as an abomination once she became corrupted by the red lyrium. It's really no different. The templars in Kirkwall were left with no good options.
Hence why I said they can bring them and those charges to the city guard. But they do not have the authority to execute them by themselves.
Exactly. The problem is that the city guard can't do anything in Kirkwall against the Templars.
So what restrictions would you place in the case of an Uldred situation? I haven't the faintest clue what would prevent what he pulled off.
The Circle System pre-war, of course. It might not prevent his becoming an Abomination, but it will deal with it due to isolation thus reducing the number of potential victims and the fact that the Templars are stationed just down the hall which makes their response time about three minutes long.
The Circle System pre-war, of course. It might not prevent his becoming an Abomination, but it will deal with it due to isolation thus reducing the number of potential victims and the fact that the Templars are stationed just down the hall which makes their response time about three minutes long.
Fine with me. However, after the War, the Seekers better clean house in regards to their leadership, because we need better oversight on all misuses of Templar power.
The situation with Uldred seems kind of obvious. He'd just come back from a battle where almost everyone died. It seems like that would be a red flag to watch him maybe a little closer for a while. I'm not even saying put him in isolation, or anything, but you'd think they'd have at least thought about his circumstances.
But the Harrowing procedure is kind of a joke. I wouldn't expect it to really prove much about any mage, either way.
I really liked Thrask. I was so pissed at Grace. She was a hundred times worse than other questionable mages, like Anders or Adrian. I can't believe she threw away the only really working alliance of mages and templars we've seen. I couldn't kill her hard enough and I basically never say that about characters, ever. I think she's probably the one character I hate the most out of the whole series.
I'm pretty sure that was a pride demon, not Grace. Killing your templar allies isn't just evil, it's stupid, and while I don't like Grace, I don't think that Grace the mage was that much of an idiot. Grace the demon was half-crazy.
I'm pretty sure that was a pride demon, not Grace. Killing your templar allies isn't just evil, it's stupid, and while I don't like Grace, I don't think that Grace the mage was that much of an idiot. Grace the demon was half-crazy.
Wouldn't that still fall back on Grace?
I'm pretty sure that was a pride demon, not Grace. Killing your templar allies isn't just evil, it's stupid, and while I don't like Grace, I don't think that Grace the mage was that much of an idiot. Grace the demon was half-crazy.
It's possible that she was always a demon. I just assumed all she ever really cared about was getting revenge for her dead husband/boyfriend, Decimus. I assumed she only became an abomination during that battle, but it's possible she had been for a while.
The amount of circle mage abominations gives me serious doubts as to the efficiency and necessity of the 'harrowing'. Though we do not know if things would become even worse without the harrowing. I do not doubt that the circle protects the flintbangers. But would love a comprehensive analysis as to how exactly it "protects" the mages as well, and how well it does that.
All the Harrowing proves is that you can resist one specific demon and their specific offer on that specific day. So, basically, it proves almost nothing. Most mages we see becoming abominations do so in extreme desperation, anyway, which isn't particularly relevant to the Harrowing. They should just teach mages about the different kinds of demons, how to resist each type most effectively and put an especially strong emphasis on how desperation deals are death sentence, regardless. The idea that they shouldn't have any knowledge of demons beforehand is absurd. They wait until they've had magic for years to even bring it up? Mages should begin training to resist demons as soon as their magical potential shows. Nothing else really makes sense if you want to cut down on accidental abominations.
Besides providing excellent living conditions and an education, the Circle prevents this from happening.
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