You say that as though being "tired" has ever hampered Hawke's progress before. I mean, stamina potions are a real thing in-universe.
Gameplay wise sure, and lore wise again sure, but i've always viewed it as a cup of coffee or some equivalent of that, it isn't Kolto or a Stimpack.
You say that as though being "tired" has ever hampered Hawke's progress before. I mean, stamina potions are a real thing in-universe.
*bangs head against the wall*
I cannot believe what just popped through my mind as I read that. I thought Isabella and Zevran would be well-versed in stamina potions.
Ugh. *bangs head against the wall again.*
Gameplay wise sure, and lore wise again sure, but i've always viewed it as a cup of coffee or some equivalent of that, it isn't Kolto or a Stimpack.
Um... why wouldn't it be a stimpack? Why bother with the alchemy when you could have the same effect by just carrying around a flask of coffee?
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Those are the banters. First things Anders is only descriptive in the second. I'm not seeing Merrill being weak by being concerned by becoming an abomination. It is a possibility for any mage.
As for the can do no wrong. Sorry but that's how I saw it. And I saw Hawke as encouraging such line of thought.
As for the rich kid scenario. No I'm not going to tell him not to complain. His life could be better it could also be worse. But others would tell the poor kid without parents and eating scraps how dare he wish for the rich kids place. Sure it's not great but it's better than his. I think both positions suck but I'd rather be a rich kid with abusive parents than a poor one with the same. Least as the latter when they die I have something other than scraps.
So I will never understand the whole all mages should want to be free cause freedom rules (If my choice was to be a pampered servant or a starving freeman I'll pick the former. And others would pick the latter which is fine cause people are different and have different priorities. But the insistence that I want what you want whether it's benefiting me or not is where you lose me.)
Cullen can't tell that Hawke is the PC. If he thought he needed to take them down he would try. He wasn't intimidated into letting them go.
EDIT: I actually thought I heard both of those banters on my the same Hawkes. My first was a rival and my second was a friend.
as for the rich kid scenario. No I'm not going to tell him not to complain. But others would tell the poor kid without parents and eating scraps how dare he wish for the rich kids place. Sure it's not great but it's better than his. I think both positions such but I'd rather be a rich kid with abusive parents than a poor ones with the same. Least as the latter when they die I have something other than scraps.
I grew up, well, not rich, but I wouldn't trade growing up with a loving family for all the money in the world.
Cullen can't tell that Hawke is the PC. If he thought he needed to take them down he would try. He wasn't intimidated into letting them go.
EDIT: I actually thought I heard both of those banters on my the same Hawkes. My first was a rival and my second was a friend.
Cullen can't tell that Hawke is the PC. If he thought he needed to take them down he would try. He wasn't intimidated into letting them go.
EDIT: I actually thought I heard both of those banters on my the same Hawkes. My first was a rival and my second was a friend.
I think his halting and tentative step back is indicative enough of fear.
As for your edit, that's the bug.
I saw it more as uncertainty about whether to treat Hawke as an enemy after they defeated Meredith together.
But with the Merrill dialogues, they don't seem like they're necessarily mutually exclusive or that they're different versions of the same banter.
I grew up, well, not rich, but I wouldn't trade growing up with a loving family for all the money in the world.
Well as someone who went nearly a month without food and was homeless and nearly on the street if not for a fine woman I would.
I think his halting and tentative step back is indicative enough of fear.
The Warden backs up from, his first Orge doesn't stop him from charging it and ramming a sword through it's head though.
But they don't seem like they're necessarily mutually exclusive or that they're different versions of the same banter.
They really don't but those are the only banters that I could see that fit the description of Merrill being scared. And I'm also certain I heard both on one of my rivalrymancers so I'm not sure what's up with that. Even the Wiki doesn't clairify them being exclusive or rivalry only. So I'm not sure why people are saying it is...
The Warden backs up from, his first Orge doesn't stop him from charging it and ramming a sword through it's head though.
The Warden could win. Cullen cannot.
The Warden could win. Cullen cannot.
Well course the Warden could win he/she was the protagonist. If Cullen was the protag he'd have the same could win on his side.
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- Merrill: Are you all right?
- Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?
- Merrill: I'm sorry.
- Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!
- Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was.
- Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.
Those are the banters. First things Anders is only descriptive in the second. I'm not seeing Merrill being weak by being concerned by becoming an abomination. It is a possibility for any mage.
- Anders: It's not a good feeling, you know.
- Merrill: What?
- Anders: Being an abomination. I just got a taste of your future.
- Merrill: I'm not that foolish. Our relationship is, um, strictly platonic.
- Anders: It's like you're trapped in your own body, seeing out your eyes, while someone else moves you like a puppet.
- Anders: And you're trying to scream, to move a single muscle, but there's no escape. Until you look down at the blood on your hands...
- Merrill: Stop it. You're scaring me.
- Anders: That's the point.
As for the can do no wrong. Sorry but that's how I saw it. And I saw Hawke as encouraging such line of thought.
As for the rich kid scenario. No I'm not going to tell him not to complain. His life could be better it could also be worse. But others would tell the poor kid without parents and eating scraps how dare he wish for the rich kids place. Sure it's not great but it's better than his. I think both positions suck but I'd rather be a rich kid with abusive parents than a poor one with the same. Least as the latter when they die I have something other than scraps.
So I will never understand the whole all mages should want to be free cause freedom rules (If my choice was to be a pampered servant or a starving freeman I'll pick the former. And others would pick the latter which is fine cause people are different and have different priorities. But the insistence that I want what you want whether it's benefiting me or not is where you lose me.)
The Warden could win. Cullen cannot.
If he had Hawke's plot armor he could.
@Lobsel, what suicides?
Anders says the highest cause of death in the circles are suicides.
Hey guys! There's a thread for this mage-templar discussion, you know---
Let's be original here, and talk about elven freedom!
Wooooo.
I think his halting and tentative step back is indicative enough of fear.
As for your edit, that's the bug.
Merrill's difference in demeanor is different between Friendship and Rivalry; she seems like she's become a weaker person because of Hawke as a rival, while she's more self-assured and confident in herself as a friend. She's scared as a rival about possession, but she confidently assures Anders that all spirits are dangerous when she's befriended by Hawke.
I saw Hawke supporting Merrill about technology he was completely ignorant about, because she wanted to help her people - who he knew next to nothing about. It's a bit condescending (to me) for Hawke to tell Merrill she's wrong about something that he knows nothing about. It comes across as one of those 'I'm right because I'm human, and you need to listen to me.'
Between the suicides and the people of all ages who risk their lives to be free and run away from the Circle, like Aneirin and Malcolm, it's clearly not the best place for every mage.
That is not being a weaker person. Why is that weaker to you? (NVM that banter is bugged to hell and back and what the actual trigger is might not be rivalry/friendship could be Anders killing that girl or not which would explain the blood on your hands line come to think of it..). Other than that one banter how is she "weaker" on the rivalry? Cause I don't see it.
Technology that Merrill also knows little about and decides to use in the middle of a crowded city full of civilians who would not be able to protect themselves if something did backfire from it. But clearly Merrill's desire to use it is more important than their lives and safety right? Nah that's Hawke trying to be uppity cause he's human. Clearly. He's not concerned about her learning about it via a demon who clearly has alternative motives, no he just has to be right cause human. That vile uptight Shem! *shakes fist*
Good thing I never argued that! I'm well aware some mages don't belong in the circle and are responsible enough to be trusted out of it. Which is why I'm pro the circle with major reforms. There are also mages who would prefer to be in the circle rather than have the crappy hand they'd been dealt with originally. I'm not saying all mages should be pro-circle. I don't even argue all non mages should be pro circle. My issue is with the "you're a mage you should hate the circle" mindset. The circle serves a function it needs a major overhaul yes but it performs a function. (Even TEVINTER has a damn circle.)
Anders says the highest cause of death in the circles are suicides.
He's been a part of one Circle...I doubt that there are many suicides. Considering most mages do end up staying in the tower for most of their lives, I would think more either succumb to magic issues or die of old age, or some other reason. We never saw that conditions were that terrible anywhere save Kirkwall, and even then, I don't think there were that many who killed themselves.
He's been a part of one Circle...I doubt that there are many suicides. Considering most mages do end up staying in the tower for most of their lives, I would think more either succumb to magic issues or die of old age, or some other reason. We never saw that conditions were that terrible anywhere save Kirkwall, and even then, I don't think there were that many who killed themselves.
One Circle that is supposedly better for mages than many others.
One Circle that is supposedly better for mages than many others.
Indeed. I would need more evidence and info before I would put any stock in that claim.
Indeed. I would need more evidence and info before I would put any stock in that claim.
Very well.
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