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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Perhaps I misunderstood here, but Isn't Evangaline now actively fighting on the side of the Mage Rebellion? That would more make her an ex templar to me than a moderate one.

[wcholcombe]

Perhaps I misunderstood here, but Isn't Evangaline now actively fighting on the side of the Mage Rebellion? That would more make her an ex templar to me than a moderate one.

That is correct.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You said that if they were in "Cullen's place", which would indicate they would be privy to the same information that he was, so they would know a single mage was responsible, and that Meredith was going to annul the Circle to appease a hypothetical mob. That they would proceed with the Right of Annulment when they are informed with all this information is quite the assumption on your part.

Why would they not? Give me your reasoning instead of just saying mine is wrong.

[AresKeith]

? Where as it said the Vashoth mage knew different magic than the human mage? Isn't the whole point of the Vasoth that he/she was raised outside the Qun?

Well at least we'll see how a group of Vasoth treat magic and how that differs from the rest of the Qunari. Even the Tal Vasoth kept them collared.

I know the dalish one probably has different magic because I recall the devs mentioning that's why they didn't do a dalish mage in DAO.

That's why I'm interested in the Dalish Elf mage for DA:I

Still wish we had atleast a City Elf Rogue >.>

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's why I'm interested in the Dalish Elf mage for DA:I

Still wish we had atleast a City Elf Rogue >.>

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Would have been better then another Dalish

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I suspect the way to look at the elf Inquisitor is that they are all one Dalish character, like how Hawke was always the Hawke, just with magical or not magical skills .

[AresKeith]

Why would they not? Give me your reasoning instead of just saying mine is wrong.

I can see many people acting like Cullen if they been through what he did

[LobselVith8]

I suspect the way to look at the elf Inquisitor is that they are all one Dalish character, like how Hawke was always the Hawke, just with magical or not magical skills .

I would hope for more freedom in defining the personality of the Inquisitor; Hawke was a bit too pre-defined for my tastes. The tidbits given about the choices the player would make at the beginning gave me the impression that the player might influence aspects of the backstory, as well as the protagonist's personality.

[Ryzaki]

I think Varric's friendships with Ser Thrask (pre-Act I) and Anders, and his willingness to accept their two opposing ideological positions, was Lambdadelta's point.
 

 
An asinine plot got Thrask killed. Grace's desire to kill a pro-mage Champion who helped her made as much sense as Decimus thinking apostate Hawke and his moiety crew were templars. The possible Dalish elf alone should have dispelled that ridiculous notion.

Being friends with a Mage doesn't make one a moderate.

Grace was an idiot I agree. Doesn't stop thrash from failing to see the blood age under his nose.

Ugh damned autocorrect you guys know what I meant.

[Hellion Rex]

So....Varric's a moderate, right?

[Master Warder Z_]

So....Varric's a moderate, right?

 

He was sick of the entire plot element by the last straw so I'd argue via Apathy is neutral on the issue.

[Ryzaki]

Every time I remember there's only elf Dalish inquisitors...bah.

[Xilizhra]

I personally disagree that Cullen is a good person, because I don't believe that you can serve evil while remaining good. As such, I believe that there are relatively few good templars, and those that do exist tend to either betray or leave the Order, like Thrask, Keran and Evangeline.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I personally disagree that Cullen is a good person, because I don't believe that you can serve evil while remaining good. As such, I believe that there are relatively few good templars, and those that do exist tend to either betray or leave the Order, like Thrask, Keran and Evangeline.

But there are some who are good and stay, like Ser Otto.

[AresKeith]

I personally disagree that Cullen is a good person, because I don't believe that you can serve evil while remaining good. As such, I believe that there are relatively few good templars, and those that do exist tend to either betray or leave the Order, like Thrask, Keran and Evangeline.

 

So your saying that serving the Templars is serving evil? Or that Cullen was?

[Ianamus]

I personally disagree that Cullen is a good person, because I don't believe that you can serve evil while remaining good. As such, I believe that there are relatively few good templars, and those that do exist tend to either betray or leave the Order, like Thrask, Keran and Evangeline.

 

Serving the Templars isn't really "serving evil" so much as serving order.

 

In fact, on the alignment chart I would put the entire templar order as an organization firmly within lawful neutral. The entire mage/templar conflict is far more similar to order vs chaos thean good vs evil.

[Xilizhra]

But there are some who are good and stay, like Ser Otto.

It's been said that the true measure of a person is how they interact with their lessers, not their equals. We've not seen Otto do that, and as such I don't see his morality as fully discernible in the time we have to know him.

 

 

So your saying that serving the Templars is serving evil? Or that Cullen was?

In Kirkwall? Most definitely. Elsewhere? It'd be case-by-case, but the odds are not in the templars' favor.

 

 

Serving the Templars isn't really "serving evil" so much as serving order.

 

In fact, on the alignment chart I would put the entire templar order as an organization firmly within lawful neutral. The entire mage/templar conflict is far more similar to order vs chaos thean good vs evil.

The practices of the templars, regularly applied, do far too much harm for me to think of them as anything except lawful evil as an organization. Similarly, while many qunari will be lawful neutral, the Qun as a whole is lawful evil.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's been said that the true measure of a person is how they interact with their lessers, not their equals. We've not seen Otto do that, and as such I don't see his morality as fully discernible in the time we have to know him.

Well, he helps the city elves in Denerim out when he wasn't ordered to, so...

[Ianamus]

 

The practices of the templars, regularly applied, do far too much harm for me to think of them as anything except lawful evil as an organization. Similarly, while many qunari will be lawful neutral, the Qun as a whole is lawful evil.

 

Evil implies selfish or self-interest though, and most of the things the average Templar does they do they do because they believe it protects the average person. Similarly with the Qunari- they believe that the Qun improves the lives of all who follow it, and aren't acting for their own individual benefit since everyone is equal under the Qun. 

[AresKeith]

 

In Kirkwall? Most definitely. Elsewhere? It'd be case-by-case, but the odds are not in the templars' favor.

 

Kirkwall, I guess

 

Ferelden's Templars were very tame. I wouldn't really count the ones in Asunder given what happened in Kirkwall that made tension even worse

[Xilizhra]

Well, he helps the city elves in Denerim out when he wasn't ordered to, so...

There was demonic activity involved; it's his job, and he had a hunch about it.

 

 

Evil implies selfish or self-interest though, and most of the things the average Templar does they do they do because they believe it protects the average person. Similarly with the Qunari- they believe that the Qun improves the lives of all who follow it, and aren't acting for their own individual benefit since everyone is equal under the Qun. 

Those who unnecessarily do harm to others in the name of order are also evil, even if not terribly concerned with their own advancement.

 

 

Kirkwall, I guess

 

Ferelden's Templars were very tame. I wouldn't really count the ones in Asunder given what happened in Kirkwall that made tension even worse

Ferelden's templars still practiced Harrowing, Tranquility and summary executions. They aren't what I'd call "tame."

[dragonflight288]

Kirkwall, I guess

 

Ferelden's Templars were very tame. I wouldn't really count the ones in Asunder given what happened in Kirkwall that made tension even worse

 

Except in Asunder we had a Seeker who was traumatized in Tevinter trying to be a templar and openly defied the Divine to do his own thing and push his own agenda. Including giving orders to kill witnesses and destroy evidence before he knew what was going on (or that there even was a cure for tranquility being worked on) but decided before he had facts that he didn't want it to exist. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There was demonic activity involved; it's his job, and he had a hunch about it.

There was demonic activity involved; it's his job, and he had a hunch about it.Doesn't matter. He was very friendly to the elves there, thus he was nice to those less fortunate. He could have just left them to deal with it.