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[EmissaryofLies]

In Ferelden it meant a great deal. The word of Irving alone was all that Gregoire needed to believe the tower was safe.  Gregoire wasn't putting a sword to Irving's throat and demanding he sign those.

 

In Kirkwall that was Meredith's faliing. She was so cought up in everything else that was going on, she didn't keep watch on what the templars under her command were doing. BTW, and this I always found funny, if Templars were illegally tranquiling mages(and yes I know they were) WHY ON THE MAKERS GREEN THEDAS didn't Orsino raise hell about it?  He has no problem butting heads with Meredith in front of Elthina.... 

 

True; I'm not sure Irving has the Circle's best interests in mind, or he believes that he does while going about it badly. 

 

That's a good question. Though he didn't mention anything else about what her templars were doing either. He kept all of his arguments on her for the most part as she was the fulcrum of all mage grief, ultimately. That also ties into his appeal to the nobles about her bullying Kirkwall. If he were to spotlight all the mage abuses it would appear as though he were only in it for himself. Thus making him no better in the nobles' eyes than Meredith. 

 

Even though the mages deserved every bit of Kirkwall. 

[wcholcombe]

About the Vashoth, I haven't considered that. I suppose it's certainly possible; they can be quite imposing figures. It's not like we didn't encounter quite a few qunari mercenaries in Ferelden, after all.

 

Spoiler

About the elven protagonist, that could imply that the clans might be involved in a possible elven uprising, given Briala's intentions at the conclusion of "The Masked Empire", which would make me very happy.

Yeah that was the basic gist of what I was thinking.

[TK514]

Meh. Wynne certainly had her act together more than most mages. I don't think there was any problem with Wynne as an abomination.

 

I wasn't suggesting otherwise.  I only use the term 'abomination' as a technicality.  I just found it amusing that at the moment we're all being trusting and 'all friends here' after averting disaster etc, Wynne goes on a field trip with the Warden. 

[wcholcombe]

I wasn't suggesting otherwise.  I only use the term 'abomination' as a technicality.  I just found it amusing that at the moment we're all being trusting and 'all friends here' after averting disaster etc, Wynne goes on a field trip with the Warden. 

Well, Asunder gives the impression at least that the Templars/Chantry have signed off on spirit healers so I don't know that they would actually consider her an abomination, but I guess they might.

[LobselVith8]

I hope we can have our Dalish elf choose to be Dalish only in name, like they were drug there by their parents as a child. 

 

I'm sorry you can't play as a CE. I know it sucks for players who favor them.

 

As someone who outright hated the religiously Andrastian dialogue that Hawke had, I'm rather happy about the non-Andrastian racial options in Inquisition. A Dwarven Inquisitor who might be able to venerate the Ancestors, and understand the true threat posed by the darkspawn? A Vashoth Inquisitor who may be an atheist, since the character may not follow the Qun or any established religion? A Dalish Inquisitor who may follow the Creators, and be able to help the Elvhen? These options appeal to me. I'm hoping for an elven Inquisitor who can express a truly Dalish point of view on spirits, the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, the Forbidden City, the fall of the Dales, and the situation with the veil tears in the Beyond.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm sorry you can't play as a CE. I know it sucks for players who favor them.

 

As someone who outright hated the religiously Andrastian dialogue that Hawke had, I'm rather happy about the non-Andrastian racial options in Inquisition. A Dwarven Inquisitor who might be able to venerate the Ancestors, and understand the true threat posed by the darkspawn? A Vashoth Inquisitor who may be an atheist, since the character may not follow the Qun or any established religion? A Dalish Inquisitor who may follow the Creators, and be able to help the Elvhen? These options appeal to me. I'm hoping for an elven Inquisitor who can express a truly Dalish point of view on spirits, the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, the Forbidden City, the fall of the Dales, and the situation with the veil tears in the Beyond.

But what about us who don't want to believe in the Dalish mindset yet play as an elf?

[Master Warder Z_]

But what about us who don't want to believe in the Dalish mindset yet play as an elf?

 

Tough Cookies?

 

Unless if the Devs change their minds again, wouldn't be the first time.

 

We may yet see a city elf, i assume nothing until launch.

[filetemo]

I guess those two responses are kind of the two camps I see people in. To some, moderation is ONLY a give and take that balances the two sides as equally as possible. There's no way, for example, to suggest we completely remove Chantry control and still call ourselves a moderate. For others, it just means taking a mostly diplomatic response, regardless which side you essentially support.

 

It seems like there's basically a scale;

 

-Pro-Templar Extremism

-Pro-Templar Moderates

-Pure Moderates

-Pro-Mage Moderates

-Pro-Mage Extremism

I'd substitute "pure moderates" with "people that doesn't know, doesn't care and just wants to live iin  peace, and if it was up them mages and templars could go and die in a fire for what's worth"

[LobselVith8]

If Irving truly believed someone didn't deserve to be tranquiled then he shouldn't give in.  Greagoir  by general concensus seems to be pretty even handed all in all and it isn't like he was going to execute Irving for not signing off on  a tranquility.  Sorry, I just find it winy to sit there and complain about the templars wanting to make us all tranquil when you are the one who apparently is signing off on tranquilities you don't agree with.

 

I think Xil dislikes Irving for the same reason. I just don't agree that he could oppose Greagoir on Rites of Tranquility (like the situation with Jowan) without ramification. I don't blame him for wanting to survive in an environment where tranquility or annulment are real possibilities for the people living in the Circle.

[Master Warder Z_]

I  just don't agree that he could oppose Greagoir on Rites of Tranquility (like the situation with Jowan)

 

Despite Greagoir having an Eye witness, Ultimately turning out to be right about him being a blood mage, you don't think irving could have just being stomping his feet for dramatic effect?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tough Cookies?

 

Unless if the Devs change their minds again, wouldn't be the first time.

 

We may yet see a city elf, i assume nothing until launch.

I'd rather not get my hopes up by thinking they may add it only for them to be slaughtered again. If there wasn't Qunari as an option, that news would be a legitimate "Pre-Order Cancelled" for me. 

[wcholcombe]

I think Xil dislikes Irving for the same reason. I just don't agree that he could oppose Greagoir on Rites of Tranquility (like the situation with Jowan) without ramification. I don't blame him for wanting to survive in an environment where tranquility or annulment are real possibilities for the people living in the Circle.

I don't dislike Irving, I dislike how he comes across to me in the mage origin.  Being as he has passed the harrowing tranquility isn't a threat to him. Plus, again Gregoire is even handed, I don't see him putting a knife to Irvings throat about tranquilities.  He thinks enough of Irving that Irving saying the tower is clean is all he needs to not do an ROA.

[LobselVith8]

But what about us who don't want to believe in the Dalish mindset yet play as an elf?

 

I have to assume that the lack of a City Elf option may not make that possible, although I genuinely believe we will meet some prominent City Elf characters (since the Dales is one of the primary locations the protagonist will be visiting). I'm sorry about the lack of a CE option, since I remember how much I missed the elven option with Dragon Age II. I wish there was a Dalish and CE option.

[Mistic]

But what about us who don't want to believe in the Dalish mindset yet play as an elf?

 

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid it will be the same as those who didn't want to believe in the Andrastian mindset yet play as a human in DA2.

[Hellion Rex]

I wasn't suggesting otherwise.  I only use the term 'abomination' as a technicality.  I just found it amusing that at the moment we're all being trusting and 'all friends here' after averting disaster etc, Wynne goes on a field trip with the Warden. 

Touche. You have a point there lol

[Hellion Rex]

Well, Asunder gives the impression at least that the Templars/Chantry have signed off on spirit healers so I don't know that they would actually consider her an abomination, but I guess they might.

Except, most spirit healers aren't normally possessed by the spirits they use to heal.

[AresKeith]

I think Xil dislikes Irving for the same reason. I just don't agree that he could oppose Greagoir on Rites of Tranquility (like the situation with Jowan) without ramification. I don't blame him for wanting to survive in an environment where tranquility or annulment are real possibilities for the people living in the Circle.

Except tranquility isn't a threat to him or any other mage who passed their harrowing

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid it will be the same as those who didn't want to believe in the Andrastian mindset yet play as a human in DA2.

 

I honestly don't recall Hawke being forced to be overly devout the entire game.

 

He could request a blessing, and he did occasionally mention the Maker if certain dialogue choices were chosen, but overall him believing was a PC choice, Not imposed upon them.

[EmissaryofLies]

I honestly don't recall Hawke being forced to be overly devout the entire game.

 

He could request a blessing, and he did occasionally mention the Maker if certain dialogue choices were chosen, but overall him believing was a PC choice, Not imposed upon them.

 

Not overly devout, no.

 

But an emphasis was placed there. Especially when the inevitable catastrophe occurred. 

 

The player will know that Hawke is an Andrastian midway through the game I daresay. 

[LobselVith8]

Despite Greagoir having an Eye witness, Ultimately turning out to be right about him being a blood mage, you don't think irving could have just being stomping his feet for dramatic effect?

 

I don't think making tough choices he morally disagrees with should make Irving content. It's not an ideal situation. It's why I scoffed when Wynne suggested that the mage protagonist could return to the Circle as a leader, to make it better.

 

I don't dislike Irving, I dislike how he comes across to me in the mage origin.  Being as he has passed the harrowing tranquility isn't a threat to him. Plus, again Gregoire is even handed, I don't see him putting a knife to Irvings throat about tranquilities.  He thinks enough of Irving that Irving saying the tower is clean is all he needs to not do an ROA.

 

I agree that Greagoir is even handed, especially given the cut scene where The Warden reveals that he's a blood mage, but I don't think that changes that this is still an unfair system that the mages are living under. I think Irving rejecting a proposed Rite of Tranquility could also cause serious problems. It's why I strongly oppose the Chantry controlled Circles.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have to assume that the lack of a City Elf option may not make that possible, although I genuinely believe we will meet some prominent City Elf characters (since the Dales is one of the primary locations the protagonist will be visiting). I'm sorry about the lack of a CE option, since I remember how much I missed the elven option with Dragon Age II. I wish there was a Dalish and CE option.

If so, then Elf will be my least played race. I hate playing as a Dalish since either you have to RP being at best a xenophobe or headcanon and be OOC so much it makes no sense. 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid it will be the same as those who didn't want to believe in the Andrastian mindset yet play as a human in DA2.

Funny, I never had to play an Andrastian Hawke. A few mentions of the Maker here and there, but that's like saying atheists are Christian for saying God. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Not overly devout, no.

 

But an emphasis was placed there. Especially when the inevitable catastrophe occurred. 

 

The player will know that Hawke is an Andrastian midway through the game I daresay. 

 

O_o

 

[EmissaryofLies]

What is that from? An Anime of some sort?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What is that from? An Anime of some sort?

Naruto: Shippuden.

[LobselVith8]

If so, then Elf will be my least played race. I hate playing as a Dalish since either you have to RP being at best a xenophobe or headcanon and be OOC so much it makes no sense.

That's like saying you have to be a racist to play an Andrastian human.

Funny, I never had to play an Andrastian Hawke. A few mentions of the Maker here and there, but that's like saying atheists are Christian for saying God.

Hawke being limited to saying that his mother is with the mother (with the alternate dialogue options not providing the opportunity to express an opposing viewpoint), the religious discussions with Sebastian about the Maker and Andraste, and Hawke telling Feynriel that he hopes the Maker watches over him aren't the same as the use of a curse word by an atheist.