i headcanon my mage threw his hands up and freaking hitchhiked back to Fereldan. It may have smelled of wet dog but sanity wasn't in damn short supply.
Interesting, isn't it? Ferelden was full of corrupt people, law almost didn't exist, there was racism and persecution, yet so far it looks like the sanest place in Thedas.
Thedas is a horrible place to live in.
I'm sorry you can't play as a CE. I know it sucks for players who favor them.
As someone who outright hated the religiously Andrastian dialogue that Hawke had, I'm rather happy about the non-Andrastian racial options in Inquisition. A Dwarven Inquisitor who might be able to venerate the Ancestors, and understand the true threat posed by the darkspawn? A Vashoth Inquisitor who may be an atheist, since the character may not follow the Qun or any established religion? A Dalish Inquisitor who may follow the Creators, and be able to help the Elvhen? These options appeal to me. I'm hoping for an elven Inquisitor who can express a truly Dalish point of view on spirits, the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, the Forbidden City, the fall of the Dales, and the situation with the veil tears in the Beyond.
I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
And why shouldn't he? His desires are just as valid as yours.
@Misticsan: Yeah and it's sad.
On the dalish debate: Eh most of the dalish we see in game are xenophobic superior pricks. They're not exactly shown in a good light. They even show that superiority complex towards CEs (which is why I'M STILL UPSET no CE Inq having her thumb her nose at the dalish considering her not a true elf would've been glorious. Alas I'll have to settle for my CE mistress loling at them from her position as Teyrna. This "fake" elf has a land of her own. Take that.) which always struck me as stupid as hell.
I guess I'll just have to settle for my Qunari femmage trolling everyone in sight with her presence.
I edited in that I didn't mean for that to come off as aggressive. I'm sorry for that.
That's fine. No harm, no foul. Let's start over.
Well, that's not entirely true. Zarathian asks the Warden to cure the curse before helping with the Blight, hoping the Warden will handle his problem for him, thus 'serving their own interests'.
In exchange for the clan participating against the Fifth Blight. It's a two way street where some of the Dalish are certain to die, and it's due to a treaty that the Dalish signed with the Wardens to aid against the Blight.
There's also a clear change in demeanor from some of the clan when The Warden shows that he can be trusted, like when Sarel positively remarks on The Warden helping Elora with the halla, who are sacred animals in the eyes of the Dalish. Sarel is off-putting for a lot of players because of his negative attitude towards the protagonist, but he's also mourning a wife he recently lost to the werewolves.
You mean the Velanna they exiled so didn't want her around anymore? When you want someone to take something you don't want, you act nice about it. Otherwise they pose questions and may not get rid of your burden for you.
Actually, Velanna receives a fairly frosty reception from her clan, and The Warden can actually intervene in the conversation and say that Velanna has changed.
I'm not trying to vilify the Dalish. I asked out of genuine curiosity, nothing more and nothing less.
Honestly, they're just different. The clans can vary greatly from one another, and even those among the clan aren't the same. You also need to take in perspective that the clans generally aren't welcome in human lands, they typically get chased out if they stay too long in one place, their religion was criminalized, and they can get pursued by templars because of the elven mages among them. It's not really a lifestyle that's conducive for trust.
There's good and bad among the Dalish, but I wouldn't take the view that the bad is all there is.
And why shouldn't he? His desires are just as valid as yours.
Eh I think it's more resource concerns. With the addition of spoken dialogue and two voices per gender there's a decent chance of the Inqs having generic dialogue outside certain quests. I *really* hope that isn't the case but it wouldn't at all surprise me if that happened.
Even I know this. Codex Entry:
Hmm, so no real corroborating evidence. I'm not saying it didn't happen or that I don't accept it, because there doesn't seem to be any counter evidence. I was just hoping for more than one story from a book in a kid's room and some offhand comments by the woman who had the misfortune to be named after her.
Hmm, so no real corroborating evidence. I'm not saying it didn't happen or that I don't accept it, because there doesn't seem to be any counter evidence. I was just hoping for more than one story from a book in a kid's room and some offhand comments by the woman who had the misfortune to be named after her.
It doesn't really seem to be a story that's disputed by anyone so far. I find it really inspirational. Aveline is a person who irrevocably changed the laws surrounding what women can do, and ultimately how women are perceived in present day Thedas. Even Leliana can tell her story. It's understandable why Hawke's friend Aveline felt such a weight on her to be named after such a prominent figure.
It doesn't really seem to be a story that's disputed by anyone so far. I find it really inspirational. Aveline is a person who irrevocably changed the laws surrounding what women can do, and ultimately how women are perceived in present day Thedas. Even Leliana can tell her story. It's understandable why Hawke's friend Aveline felt such a weight on her to be named after such a prominent figure.
Oh, I don't dispute that there was a woman who's skill and death changed, at least a little, how women are perceived. It would be historical record when the law was changed and by whom. It's just that the details of her life are unsupported. Again, not saying it didn't happen exactly as written, just that I would have preferred more than what's there.
And why shouldn't he? His desires are just as valid as yours.
Missed the point eh?
I'm telling him to not get his hopes up that the Inquisitors can all be radically defined by their cultural background.
At best expect a couple of dialogue lines referencing it like in Origins.
Missed the point eh?
I'm telling him to not get his hopes up that the Inquisitors can all be defined by their cultural background.
At best expect a couple of dialogue lines referencing it like in Origins.
Oh look travelers...Led by a dwarf of all things.
That's about what i am expecting personally.
Thedas is a horrible place to live in.
Reminds me of Kinshasa personally.
...I hate when my posts vanish.
The game is more than likely going to be limited thanks to being on the previous generation. Thus why I don't expect that much unique dialogue outside certain quests.
Hopefully concessions will be made elsewhere but their most likely will be concessions made 
Oh, I don't dispute that there was a woman who's skill and death changed, at least a little, how women are perceived. It would be historical record when the law was changed and by whom. It's just that the details of her life are unsupported. Again, not saying it didn't happen exactly as written, just that I would have preferred more than what's there.
I cannot recall, but doesn't she a short blurb in World of Thedas?
Question: just how exactly would have it been made public knowledge that Aveline was raised by elves if she kept her identity a secret during the whole tourney and was killed during it? Did the Dalish walk up to the Emperor to brag? Why would anyone believe the Dalish if they did?
In fact, how would the insular Dalish elves be able to teach Aveline how to duel in tournaments?
Question: just how exactly would have it been made public knowledge that Aveline was raised by elves if she kept her identity a secret during the whole tourney and was killed during it? Did the Dalish walk up to the Emperor to brag? Why would anyone believe the Dalish if they did?
That is one of those things that i and Tarkin would like elaboration on.
In fact, how would the insular Dalish elves be able to teach Aveline how to duel in tournaments?
Same as above.
Question: just how exactly would have it been made public knowledge that Aveline was raised by elves if she kept her identity a secret during the whole tourney and was killed during it? Did the Dalish walk up to the Emperor to brag? Why would anyone believe the Dalish if they did?
In fact, how would the insular Dalish elves be able to teach Aveline how to duel in tournaments?
Someone could have looked into it, perhaps someone working for Prince Freyan.
Some Dalish clans have contact with humans. Aveline's clan were said to have taught her archery, dueling, and survival skills.
How would anyone look into the life of a woman no one knew, that was born to a nameless farmer in some nameless plot of land and was taken in by a group of people that avoid all contact with humans?
How would anyone look into the life of a woman no one knew, that was born to a nameless farmer in some nameless plot of land and was taken in by a group of people that avoid all contact with humans?
I think a likely conclusion would be that Averline perhaps was elf blooded and born and raised in an alienage like other half elves, The Dalish portion was likely added to the story after her death to add romance and glamor to the tale, that would be my two cents on it anyway.
That's fine. No harm, no foul. Let's start over.
In exchange for the clan participating against the Fifth Blight. It's a two way street where some of the Dalish are certain to die, and it's due to a treaty that the Dalish signed with the Wardens to aid against the Blight.
There's also a clear change in demeanor from some of the clan when The Warden shows that he can be trusted, like when Sarel positively remarks on The Warden helping Elora with the halla, who are sacred animals in the eyes of the Dalish. Sarel is off-putting for a lot of players because of his negative attitude towards the protagonist, but he's also mourning a wife he recently lost to the werewolves.
Actually, Velanna receives a fairly frosty reception from her clan, and The Warden can actually intervene in the conversation and say that Velanna has changed.
Honestly, they're just different. The clans can vary greatly from one another, and even those among the clan aren't the same. You also need to take in perspective that the clans generally aren't welcome in human lands, they typically get chased out if they stay too long in one place, their religion was criminalized, and they can get pursued by templars because of the elven mages among them. It's not really a lifestyle that's conducive for trust.
There's good and bad among the Dalish, but I wouldn't take the view that the bad is all there is.
Thanks. I think I let my anger at having to play Dalish if I want to be an elf, so the bias of me going "Stupid Dalish" while posting I guess made it seem aggressive.
How would anyone look into the life of a woman no one knew, that was born to a nameless farmer in some nameless plot of land and was taken in by a group of people that avoid all contact with humans?
What would be the point of making it all up though?
What would be the point of making it all up though?
It doesn't mean someone made it all up with a clear purpose in mind.
It's could just be a legend that was, in time, embellished in order to make a real life hero into a mythical figure.
What would be the point of making it all up though?
I just gave a pretty solid reason, it would make the tale more exotic, spinable and we are in a land of storytellers and bards after all 
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