You realize she became a national hero after the Prince who attended the tournament became Emperor of Orlais, right? Over how disgraceful it was that she was murdered because she was a woman who competed illegally in the tournament?
True but there's still no reason the humans would have believed elves and actually allowed one of their own to be buried rather than burned.
Also where the **** does that stupid E come from?!
What E?
True but there's still no reason the humans would have believed elves and actually allowed one of their own to be buried rather than burned.
What E?
In the spelling of Orlesians.
To me it should be "Orlaisians" Given that the e isn't there in the proper spelling of the country's name.
its a stupid addition.
Considering they didn't care enough about her being murdered right in front of an entire audience for simply being a woman, I highly doubt they would care.
The Prince cared enough about her murder to rewrite Knightly Law in the Empire, i have a feeling he would care.
Just saying.
*Hugs his CE Rogue*It's okay Ryn-chan I won't ever forget you.
I too had a city elf rogue...
Me as well.
But why would anyone want to play an elf in the first place? It's a downgrade either way one looks at it.
Because I'm better at roleplaying the beaten underdog. Years of experience in real life and whatnot.
Weren't they all?
City elf warrior didn't make much sense to me. I mean it's possible but the whole living in squalor and being forbidden weapons suits the rogue playstyle much more. Much easier to hide daggers than a long sword and shield.
Agreed. It made more sense that way.
City elves live in the Dales; they outnumber the humans, apparently. I don't see why those elves and the Dalish clans couldn't work together to emancipate the kingdom so it can be independent again.
Pretty much what Ryzaki said. City Elves want to be treated equally, but not many really want a return of an elven state that follows the Dalish belief system.
But why would anyone want to play an elf in the first place? It's a downgrade either way one looks at it.
Considering they didn't care enough about her being murdered right in front of an entire audience for simply being a woman, I highly doubt they would care.
The tale claims that the crowd booed and jeered Kaleva and cheered for Aveline. Plus, the prince eventually made her a saint.
I'm sure they would have cared.
My CEs care about as much as the dales and the dalish as they do a wart on Loghain's backside. They care more about having equal rights than any ousting of humans from lands.
And I'm not saying they can't work together.
It would probably be easier to have the origins we wish if we had silent protagonists, but with voiced ones it takes far more resources.
Besides, a CE wouldn't really be that different from a human minus the fact that they'll get some racist comments. It would be a great underdog story, but I think any non-human inquisitor will be having their own unique set of problems that come with trying to unite and save a land dominated by humans who have centuries of cultural and religious teachings setting up a set of prejudices, from non-Andrastians being heathens, inherent racism when it comes to elves (and to a certain extent, dwarves as they are seen only as merchants or blacksmiths and that's all most humans ever see dwarves as since they don't go to Orzammar.) Heck, being a mage in Thedas right now may very well be one of the biggest underdog stories yet (probably only surpassed by a casteless becoming a paragon) because there are no circles, the veil shred (as I'm calling that huge tear in the sky) and so on.
The tale claims that the crowd booed and jeered Kaleva and cheered for Aveline. Plus, the prince eventually made her a saint.
I'm sure they would have cared.
I'm kinda lost. What exactly are we arguing here? And what in the world does Ser Aveline have to do with moderates?
I'm kinda lost. What exactly are we arguing here? And what in the world does Ser Aveline have to do with moderates?
I'm kinda lost. What exactly are we arguing here? And what in the world does Ser Aveline have to do with moderates?
Absolutely nothing. It is a nice change of pace as some people are disputing whether or not the story is true and the Dalish are either making it up or it may be an embellished story by a bard or something.
Gaining autonomy for the Dales isn't the same as expelling all humans from the kingdom. With elves in leadership positions, they can finally have rights.
Humans seem to be fleeing the Dales (in Asunder) with the civil war going on.
Okay, then. Personally, I'd like to make that happen. I certainly think a Dalish Inquisitor may want to help his (or her) elven brethren who live in the cities.
And who exactly decides which elves go into the leadership positions and why?
Then that's not exactly giving them equality is it? That's humans fleeing the area and them taking the now abandoned land. That doesn't help CEs in other places or in alienages one bit other than saying "If you come all the way here (which you might not even be able to afford) your life might not suck as much. It doesn't even show other kingdoms that CEs can be a valuable resource if not treated completely like crap.
Take the Teryn option (since the Bann one is a disaster. I don't see how that ending leads to rioting yet for some reason a CE Teyrn is completely left alone and their I assume successful). It shows an elf in a noble human position and somehow the world doesn't explode.
It would probably be easier to have the origins we wish if we had silent protagonists, but with voiced ones it takes far more resources.
Besides, a CE wouldn't really be that different from a human minus the fact that they'll get some racist comments. It would be a great underdog story, but I think any non-human inquisitor will be having their own unique set of problems that come with trying to unite and save a land dominated by humans who have centuries of cultural and religious teachings setting up a set of prejudices, from non-Andrastians being heathens, inherent racism when it comes to elves (and to a certain extent, dwarves as they are seen only as merchants or blacksmiths and that's all most humans ever see dwarves as since they don't go to Orzammar.) Heck, being a mage in Thedas right now may very well be one of the biggest underdog stories yet (probably only surpassed by a casteless becoming a paragon) because there are no circles, the veil shred (as I'm calling that huge tear in the sky) and so on.
It would.
Eh the mage losses its ultimate underdog factor by them being mages. They have sources of power a CE could never have.
CE is the bottom of the bottom. Mages are only held down because of fear of what they're capable of if their power isn't contained.
Me as well.
Because I'm better at roleplaying the beaten underdog. Years of experience in real life and whatnot.
Agreed. It made more sense that way.
Pretty much what Ryzaki said. City Elves want to be treated equally, but not many really want a return of an elven state that follows the Dalish belief system.
Same. CE is one of my favorite playthrougs. Human noble comes close because of how well it's in the plot and you go from top to bottom to top again.
Yep.
Absolutely nothing. It is a nice change of pace as some people are disputing whether or not the story is true and the Dalish are either making it up or it may be an embellished story by a bard or something.
We might as well debate Andraste's existence while we're at it.
She was just an extraordinarily powerful mage, nothing more. Probably a Dreamer to boot.
I'm kinda lost. What exactly are we arguing here? And what in the world does Ser Aveline have to do with moderates?
Temps are questioning the legitimacy of the legendary Aveline's ties to the elves.
She has nothing to do with moderates. The last five or so pages has had nothing to do with moderates. I daresay the last twenty pages or so as well.
Would you like to talk about moderating moderate characters in the modest Dragon Age Inquisition?
And who exactly decides which elves go into the leadership positions and why?
Then that's not exactly giving them equality is it?
That's humans fleeing the area and them taking the now abandoned land. That doesn't help CEs in other places or in alienages one bit other than saying "If you come all the way here (which you might not even be able to afford) your life might not suck as much. It doesn't even show other kingdoms that CEs can be a valuable resource if not treated completely like crap.
Presumably? The leaders among the Dalish and the elves of the Dales.
Having a kingdom where they aren't limited to positions of servitude is better than hoping that humans stop being racist. I'm sure a nation where the population isn't subject to purges would be nice, too.
So wouldn't that just be them trading one master for another if the Dalish take charge? What of those elves who for example worship Andraste? They would be subjugated for not believing in the Creators. Not as much, but still. For any elven state to work, both Dalish and City elves would need positions of authority.
Presumably? The leaders among the Dalish and the elves of the Dales.
Having a kingdom where they aren't limited to positions of servitude is better than hoping that humans stop being racist. I'm sure a nation where the population isn't subject to purges would be nice, too.
Yeah so it'll become Dalish land with dalish laws. My CEs say no thanks to that.
A kingdom that they first would have to reach a task beyond many alienage CEs.
So wouldn't that just be them trading one master for another if the Dalish take charge? What of those elves who for example worship Andraste? They would be subjugated for not believing in the Creators. Not as much, but still. For any elven state to work, both Dalish and City elves would need positions of authority.
Followed by Kaleva killing Aveline in front of an entire audience, and the sexist law was only overturned years later when Prince Freyan became Emperor and posthumously knighted Aveline.
He was standing next to her. Kind of hard to stop him. and the peasants don't have a pull on laws. However, you understimate prejudices.
Humans killing each other is a daily occurrence but a human being buried by elven rites? Unthinkable!
Therefore, I find it very doubtful that a delegation of elves would have just showed up and hauled off with a human corpse.
Plus, one must also take into account how far away they were; how long it would take for the news to reach them; and the duration of the period between death and cremation according to Andrastean rites.
She was just an extraordinarily powerful mage, nothing more. Probably a Dreamer to boot.
She was a skilled warrior, charismatic leader and brilliant strategist that knew how to capitalize on the weaknesses of the Imperium.
Yeah so it'll become Dalish land with dalish laws. My CEs say no thanks to that.
A kingdom that they first would have to reach a task beyond many alienage CEs.
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