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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Don't you guys know by this time that ME3 is like that scab you just have to pick? You know you shouldn't, but you just can't help yourself.

[Hadeedak]

I keep playing it cause I rather like it. It's not perfect, obviously, but it's still fun and has some great moments.

[CronoDragoon]

Maybe, like Shepard they found out everything on Ilos. The beacons themselves only mentioned Ilos and the Conduit. Maybe they found out about the whole Keeper thing and Sovereign realized all he had to do was have Saren activate the console for the wards and relays, while it opened the Relay, and have the Geth fleet deal with the Citadel fleet.

 

You are saying Sovereign only discovered the console could open the relay due to information on Ilos that we are never shown nor told? That is at best speculation, which isn't worthless in itself. But a great many ME3 issues are resolved by speculation. So like I said, I don't really see a writing difference there pre-ending.

 

Also, it is in character for Sovereign to take his time. Vigil tells us that Sovereign is cautious and patient, it has after all been waiting for an implied 2000 years already and is an eons old sentient machine. Perhaps, it considered a round up against the Citadel fleet was too risky a move and so was more than willing to bide it's time going on a scavenger hunt for information; who knows how it would have fared against the entire Citadel fleet, since most of the fleet by the end was patrolling the borders to the Terminus system.

 

If he's cautious and patient, why doesn't he just spend 100 years indoctrinating someone that can access the Citadel console, like a technician or even a freaking Council member, if a famous Spectre can't? Why not indoctrinate everyone in places of authority on the Citadel and then take his time figuring out what went wrong?

[KaiserShep]

Heh, if only the Citadel itself was able to indoctrinate its entire population. I imagine that would have saved Sovereign a lot of trouble.

[AlanC9]

You are saying Sovereign only discovered the console could open the relay due to information on Ilos that we are never shown nor told? That is at best speculation, which isn't worthless in itself. But a great many ME3 issues are resolved by speculation. So like I said, I don't really see a writing difference there pre-ending.

 

 

Wait a minute. Saren isn't trying to open the Citadel Relay from the console, is he? He's trying to open the Citadel arms so Sovereign can get in to dock, and then close the arms so the fleets can't attack Sovereign while Sovereign opens the Relay. The console is just controlling known functions of the Citadel. So the thing Saren would have to discover on Ilos is that docking Sovereign to the Citadel is the solution.

 

But doesn't Sovereign already know that something's wrong on the Citadel? Rachni war, etc. So.... Sovereign thinks he has to retake the Citadel, then he discovers the Conduit and somehow thinks that this means he doesn't have to take the Citadel, only to find out that he really does have to take the Citadel after all but can use the Conduit to do that?

[Invisible Man]

Heh, if only the Citadel itself was able to indoctrinate its entire population. I imagine that would have saved Sovereign a lot of trouble.

long term exposure to indoctrination fields, and being indoctrinated long term, will eventually turn peoples brains to mush, if people take notice of this happening to the station's inhabitance... well, I think that would cause major issues to the reaper's primary strategy (surprise attack on the citadel at the onset of the conflict), this might even expose their very existence which they've been trying to hide for nearly 50,000 years. so, I can see why the citadel isn't indoctrinating people.

[ImaginaryMatter]

You are saying Sovereign only discovered the console could open the relay due to information on Ilos that we are never shown nor told? That is at best speculation, which isn't worthless in itself. But a great many ME3 issues are resolved by speculation. So like I said, I don't really see a writing difference there pre-ending.

 

If he's cautious and patient, why doesn't he just spend 100 years indoctrinating someone that can access the Citadel console, like a technician or even a freaking Council member, if a famous Spectre can't? Why not indoctrinate everyone in places of authority on the Citadel and then take his time figuring out what went wrong?

 

I'm saying it's a possibility for them putting their plan together on Ilos after arriving there and filling in all the pieces (keeper sabotage, the nature of the Conduit, etc.) and that such an assumption doesn't seem implausible at all because as far as information about the Prothean sabotage went Shepard and friends and Saren and friends were all reading from the same book, since it is established that Shepard is just following Saren around. In the case of Sovereign knowing what needed to be done based on some Citadel diagnostic run and that Sovereign deduced the existence of the Conduit it would still need the device to deliver an army to gain access to the console since the thing is more than likely heavily guarded (similar to how people are allowed into the White House but any one on the tour attempting to gain access to the Oval Office would probably be stopped real fast). I'm simply saying that none of these things seemed like a plot hole, as with all the pieces collected there are plenty of perfectly logical and simple reasons (albeit unexplained) for Saren's actions.

 

As for ME3 I'm sure a lot of the criticism against the plot can be levied as there are perfectly logical explanations for supposed holes which personally I'm fine with, I don't need the story to explain everything as long as the unexplained parts aren't completely implausible. I just want to explain why I don't think the ME1 situation with Saren searching for the Conduit is one.

 

As for the Indoctrination bit I assume it would be difficult to accomplish. Presumably the console itself can only be activated by the Council members themselves or people close to them, like high ranking members of C-Sec who have their approval (again I'm assuming there is some complicated security apparatus that prevents people from willy-nillying touching something so important). If that is the case Sovereign would have to remain in close contact with these individuals which would be sure to raise suspicion or it would have to secretly kidnap them for a fairly long period of time, as even rapid Indoctrination seems to take a while to induce.

[SporkFu]

11) All Cerberus troopers you meet seem to be male. Femshep, though, is female. Also, how did Shepard guess squad identification of the guys they kicked out near train controls?

 

17) Of course there was an N7 armor set on the Normandy, perfectly fitting Shepard.

 

18) Why did that terminatrix have metal hair around her head? And how did actual hair fit there then?

 

23) Why Joker was still piloting Normandy once again? He joined Cerberus long before Shepard did!

 

11) All Shep cared about was getting Cerberus to send a tram back to investigate so she'd have a way to get to the lab. Cerberus fell for it, but not completely: they did plant that bomb on the tracks.

 

17) My theory is, Anderson planned on bringing shep back to the Normandy no matter what happened on earth. That's why he had shep's dogtags in his pocket.

 

18) EDI explains this if you talk to her later on the dance floor in Purgatory. It's not actual hair.

 

23) Again, I think Anderson set it up. Why wouldn't he want the best pilot in the fleet during a war?

 

I have to wonder why you are playing this game again if you dislike so much about it already. Wow.

[CronoDragoon]

Wait a minute. Saren isn't trying to open the Citadel Relay from the console, is he? He's trying to open the Citadel arms so Sovereign can get in to dock, and then close the arms so the fleets can't attack Sovereign while Sovereign opens the Relay. The console is just controlling known functions of the Citadel. So the thing Saren would have to discover on Ilos is that docking Sovereign to the Citadel is the solution.

 

But doesn't Sovereign already know that something's wrong on the Citadel? Rachni war, etc. So.... Sovereign thinks he has to retake the Citadel, then he discovers the Conduit and somehow thinks that this means he doesn't have to take the Citadel, only to find out that he really does have to take the Citadel after all but can use the Conduit to do that?

 

Heh, now you see why I never claim to be an ME1 expert when I can't even keep basic facts straight.

[Iakus]

 

Also, we don't exactly know how much more informed Saren is of the Prothean sabotage. He like Shepard is trying to find the beacons in order to piece together the puzzle of why the Relays won't open.

 

Exactly.  

[AlanC9]

Heh, now you see why I never claim to be an ME1 expert when I can't even keep basic facts straight.

It's not worth trying to keep ME facts straight. I figured that out around when Tali's ridiculous voice recording showed up.

iakus, you're really signing on with this nonsense?

[path0geN7]

Wait a minute. Saren isn't trying to open the Citadel Relay from the console, is he? He's trying to open the Citadel arms so Sovereign can get in to dock, and then close the arms so the fleets can't attack Sovereign while Sovereign opens the Relay. The console is just controlling known functions of the Citadel. So the thing Saren would have to discover on Ilos is that docking Sovereign to the Citadel is the solution.

 

But doesn't Sovereign already know that something's wrong on the Citadel? Rachni war, etc. So.... Sovereign thinks he has to retake the Citadel, then he discovers the Conduit and somehow thinks that this means he doesn't have to take the Citadel, only to find out that he really does have to take the Citadel after all but can use the Conduit to do that?

 

That's how I always interpreted it. It was Saren's job to control the Citadel arms and Sovereign's job to open the Citadel Relay to Dark Space

[Iakus]

It's not worth trying to keep ME facts straight. I figured that out around when Tali's ridiculous voice recording showed up.

iakus, you're really signing on with this nonsense?

 

I'm signing on with not ridiculing someone for giving a game another try and discovering that, yes, it's as bad an experience as remembered.

 

I also sign on with it being plausible, and even likely, that Saren didn't know why the Citadel didn't respond to Sovereign's signal until well after he'd been revealed as a traitor.

 

If "this nonsense" is something else, you'll have to specify.

[mybudgee]

This thread is hilarious

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Not going to explain everything. I just picked a few that stood out to me.

 

13) Yes they can. They just can't land safely

 

19) There does not have to be direct impact on a particular body part in order for bruising to form there due to the fact that contusions are simply internal bleeding. Visible contusions can be the result of pressure spreading throughout the body from extreme trauma (i.e. having your entire body racked around like a rag doll while your neck supports the entire weight of your body as this occurs)

 

22) It does affect the dialogue in the beginning. If you didn't play Arrival, Shepard is on trial for working with Cerberus instead of destroying the Bahak System.

[Display Name Owner]

It's actually kind of interesting, ME1 has it's share of plot silliness, but those things never actually stood out to me as bein silly until well after I'd played the game numerous times. But with ME3 the glaring flaws are somehow more visible to me. Though they were a lot more visible in playthrough number 2 for me.

 

I think it might partly be because I spent a lot of time playing ME1 and 2 just being excited for the next instalment. I dunno, also the disappointing ending to it all probably led to me thinking back to all the other stuff that was off. I doubt I'm the only one this applies to as well. Imo a lot of ME3's problems are down to too much Rule of Cool. Plus, the main plots were the worst parts of both 1 and 2. The difference is that with 3, the main plot is more at the forefront.

[AlexMBrennan]

All Cerberus troopers you meet seem to be male. Femshep, though, is female. Also, how did Shepard guess squad identification of the guys they kicked out near train controls?

So, you didn't play far enough to see phantoms and nemeses ?

17) Of course there was an N7 armor set on the Normandy, perfectly fitting Shepard.

In ME your gear transforms (which is why Wrex can use the same pistol as Liara) - you might have seen Shepard's gun extending when he draws it from the holster on his back.

20) Why was terminatrix at full health when you start shooting at her? Ashley hit her four times, she should be at about 50-60% HP.

Because, being a terminatrix, she is tougher than your average redshirt? Also, she is able to fully heal and restore her shields every second for the sake of a boss fight (e.g. If you make Shepard's overload really OP)

21) Where did Shepard get shields during initial part of the game? He always carries a shield generator around?

Have fun carefully evading enemy patrols because a single shot will kill you in a game without a stealth system.

22) Why does not completing The Arrival have zero effect on the beginning? MAybe I should be at least informed on what happened there? When I left off Shepard kinda saved everyone AGAIN and did not allow dangerous terrorists to get their hands on valuable technology.

It changes a few lines, so do your research.

I also sign on with it being plausible, and even likely, that Saren didn't know why the Citadel didn't respond to Sovereign's signal until well after he'd been revealed as a traitor.

Citadel security won't let Saren and his army walk into Citadel control, so without the back door they would have had all the time in the world to close the Citadel and wait for Sovereign to get torn apart by all the galaxy 's fleets.

[KaiserShep]

Phantoms and nemeses are technically not troopers. The Cerberus Assault Troopers are basically the generic stormtroopers of Mass Effect, and as far as we can tell, they all had male voices.

 

As for trying to trick the Cerberus soldiers on Mars, the possibility of Shepard being female is the least of the issues with that scene. Alpha team. lol

[NeonFlux117]

Meh,ME3 is a great game, it's way more flawed than it's predecessors (especially ME2), it's not on the level, but it's still a great game. 

 

 

Deal with it. 

[Iamjdr]

Meh,ME3 is a great game, it's way more flawed than it's predecessors (especially ME2), it's not on the level, but it's still a great game.


Deal with it.

I'd say every game in the series is equally flawed for different reasons. And for me personally me2-3 are equally great, also for very different reasons (I also like me1 but it is definitely my least favorite).

I loved me2's really laid back feel and for letting me explore the galaxy and all the little things, like the hub worlds (omega is boss) and weapon holstering. I also love the more desperate war story of me3 and the much improved combat.

I have probably played through me2 more times then I can count and me3 a little less, but since me3 has multiplayer which is awesome and the ability to solo the armax area I have found it very hard to go back to the other games. Cause I don't always have a lot of time and it's just nice to kick back in the MEU and whoop some brutes or primes solo real quick if I wanted.

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Plus multiplayer has shown me how much more fun the game can be without pausing. It makes the game so much more fun and intense since you have to think much quicker about target priority, best tacticle cover and escape routes an whatnot. Plus if you play the armax arena solo. you also cant use squadmate powers and there's no teammates like mp so you Gotta factor that also.

[Iakus]

Meh,ME3 is a great game, it's way more flawed than it's predecessors (especially ME2), it's not on the level, but it's still a great game. 

 

 

Deal with it. 

 

A lot of people disagree.

 

Deal with that.

[Iamjdr]

A lot of people disagree.

Deal with that.

I think It has been in the process of being dealt with ever since me3 came out don't you? I love me3 an I have since it came out.. how do you think it's been to be a fan of a game that everyone hates and loves to crap on anychance they can for over a year after it was released?

[von uber]

I like all the mass Efefct games; they have issues for sure but they are not bad.

Although I am having a sneaking suspicion I might end up preferring DA:O.

[Mcfly616]

A lot of people disagree.
 
Deal with that.

and yet, 'A lot of people' agree.


You should take your own advice.

[themikefest]

I like all the mass Efefct games; they have issues for sure but they are not bad.

Although I am having a sneaking suspicion I might end up preferring DA:O.

Even though I haven't played DAO as much as ME, the game for me is better