I think It has been in the process of being dealt with ever since me3 came out don't you? I love me3 an I have since it came out.. how do you think it's been to be a fan of a game that everyone hates and loves to crap on anychance they can for over a year after it was released?
Kind of fun and rife with the opportunity to post pictures of Aquaman making silly faces. And chances to chatter!
I know what I like. Other peoples' silly opinions don't bring me down. 
Sure. Nerdrage is the only thing keeping this forum alive. Otherwise the only life here would be over on the DAI board, since we're months away from any MENExt news.
Sure. Nerdrage is the only thing keeping this forum alive. Otherwise the only life here would be over on the DAI board, since we're months away from any MENExt news.
I thought it was arguing about Liara.
Which, granted, is.... Never mind.
Even though I haven't played DAO as much as ME, the game for me is better
I find the Approval system for the party members there and the choices to be much better, mostly because of the lack of Paragon bias. Mechanics I hope the next ME game implements.
The only things I really don't like about the game is inventory management (which is easily my least favorite RPG mechanic of all time) and the combat can really drag out after a while.
Oh I know what I like also, and nothing anyone says will change that. Doesn't mean I enjoy seeing one of my favorite games repeatedly bashed everyday for more then a year after it came out, on its own forums no less. But, I have learned to deal with it. Sometimes it can be tough to get over the fact that not everyone has the same opinions.Kind of fun and rife with the opportunity to post pictures of Aquaman making silly faces. And chances to chatter!
I know what I like. Other peoples' silly opinions don't bring me down.
I think It has been in the process of being dealt with ever since me3 came out don't you? I love me3 an I have since it came out.. how do you think it's been to be a fan of a game that everyone hates and loves to crap on anychance they can for over a year after it was released?
Probably similar to being someone who wanted to love the game, enjoyed the series, only to have everything they loved about it cra...pooped on by the writers.
Being strung along for five years is going to cause some anger.
Nostalgia glasses. ME1 is written with about the same amount of coherence and logic as ME3 (pre-ending).
Being strung along for five years is going to cause some anger.
So is being oblivious to a lot of flaws present throughout the entire series.
Pretty much.
Why does sovereign talk to shepard at all instead of just firing at the base from orbit, since its obviously compromised? Why was it important to find the conduit when its entire purpose was just to let saren walk into the citadel and get to the door controls? Why did benezia keep the rachni queen alive once the information was extracted, when a single push of a button was all that was needed to kill it? Why wasn't feros nuked from orbit by the geth? And other such questions of plot.
Why did Benezia keep the queen alive? "Her children were to be ours." It was planned that the Rachni were to be bred and used as a Reaper weapon. But then Shepard showed up and ruined it all. So if Shepard died, it would be okay, but she knew she was going to die and that Shepard would either kill the queen or free it and the Reapers would get nothing.
Why does Sovereign talk to Shepard? Because of reasons. It is to demonstrate the evilness of the main antagonist. See Saren was merely the obstruction.
Why doesn't Saren enjoy a latte and walk into the Citadel door controls? Well, how many geth could he get through the conduit before Shepard? He walked on foot, and it was quite a walk. Shepard drove usually running over geth -- who really stopped to take out the geth?
And never mind that the lore went out the window -- shouldn't everyone have bounced off the Citadel let alone splattered on the top of the cavern? Hence that makes the relays more like jump gates.
Why wasn't Feros nuked? Because of the Treaty of Farixen. It banned nukes even though the Geth didn't sign it, their masters probably did.
Why didn't Sovereign blast Virmire? Because Shepard needed to do that.
Why did Shepard have to put out the refinery fire? What did any Shepard know about putting out refinery fires except for maybe the Engineer Shepard? Yes I know that the game walks you through it, but seriously.
Why does Shepard have to decide the fate of the Krogan?
Why does Shepard have to decide who lives or dies between the Quarians and Geth? "I don't like Gerrel, therefore all you Quarians die!" "Sorry Legion, no reaper code for you." OR "Peace for all, then I'll destroy you geth at the end."
Why do Shepard and Liara stand there doing absolutely nothing while Ashley gets the snot beat out of her?
Why do Shepard and his/her team stand there doing nothing while Kai Lame hands Thane his ass?
Why doesn't Shepard bust a cap in Kai Lame's ass on Thessia at point blank range instead of talking to The Illusive Man?
11) All Cerberus troopers you meet seem to be male. Femshep, though, is female. Also, how did Shepard guess squad identification of the guys they kicked out near train controls?
When you enter the earlier room with a workbench you over hear someone asking where that squad was. It's the same squad Shepard claims to be when calling for the tram. Shepard knew that squad hadn't been responding to the com so he/she figures that is the best chance of tricking them to send the tram over.
Pretty much.
Why does sovereign talk to shepard at all instead of just firing at the base from orbit, since its obviously compromised? Why was it important to find the conduit when its entire purpose was just to let saren walk into the citadel and get to the door controls? Why did benezia keep the rachni queen alive once the information was extracted, when a single push of a button was all that was needed to kill it? Why wasn't feros nuked from orbit by the geth? And other such questions of plot.
It could be possible there were resources that still needed be evacuated that Saren didn't want destroyed.
Just because Saren is a Spectre it doesn't necessarily mean he could stroll right up to the console and fiddle around with it for an extended period of time given the implied security in the area. Which meant that he needed to get rid of the security forces which meant that he needed an army, which means he needed a way to smuggle that army inside. Additionally, it is very possible that Saren and Sovereign didn't even know what the Conduit was until they to reached Ilos (the beacons only mentioned Ilos and the Conduit but not the extent of the Prothean sabotage or the nature of the Conduit).
Benezia and Saren wanted to use the Rachni as weapons.
The Thorian was underground (of sorts), perhaps it was far enough underground that a nuclear assault wouldn't be enough to reach it.
The geth were able to be smuggled into noveria without anyone being the wiser, by storing their platforms in normal shipments, which could easily be done on the citadels massive, massive, warehousing areas we see in ME2. And noveria, being so obsessed with security and protecting their clients, would have just as much modern security measures for handling cargo as the citadel,
You missed the bit where Saren owns Novaria and is pulling strings to get commandos/geth past security, didn't you?
You missed the bit where Saren owns Novaria and is pulling strings to get commandos/geth past security, didn't you?
Saren doesn't own noveria. Noveria Development Corporation owns noveria. Administrator Anoleis owns noveria. About the only thing Saren owns is bribery money, which could just as easily been directed towards the citadel's own c-sec and port authorities/administrators in charge of overseeing the warehouse districts.
I might of missed something in ME1, but how did Saren learn of Ilos?
I might of missed something in ME1, but how did Saren learn of Ilos?
Presumably the Prothean beacons. When he began searching for them or similar questions is unknown.
Prothean Beacon on Edan Prime and Virmire, plus the knowledge from the thorian.
He had no reason for smuggling the army onto the citadel with the conduit. The geth were able to be smuggled into noveria without anyone being the wiser, by storing their platforms in normal shipments, which could easily be done on the citadels massive, massive, warehousing areas we see in ME2. And noveria, being so obsessed with security and protecting their clients, would have just as much modern security measures for handling cargo as the citadel, if not more so. Start having geth smuggled onto the citadel and soon you can have a whole army. Send out the geth fleet and sovereign to distract most of the forces and have them move to secure the council, which would take the bulk of the forces away from the console area and to the docking area to board the destiny ascension, and boom, you now not only have access, but your whole army, with no one being the wiser of what is going on. Instead of storming the place and giving the citadel a large heads up that hey, there's a rogue spectre with an army of geth on his side who might try to attack the citadel.
As to the rachni, shouldn't she have known shepard and company would win given their flooring of her commandos and geth forces, and so realized that hey, things are going pretty belly up here, maybe I ought to stop them from gaining any sort of knowledge or edge here. Its clear shepard and his squad are winning, and all it takes is a single push of the button to kill the queen into a pulpy mass. Apparently the reapers are all about playing the long game and taking all the time in the world to win, but aren't willing to make sacrifices to ensure secrecy and instead gamble everything for short term success.
We don't know much about Noveria's processing protocols and technology vs the Citadel's methods. All we know is that the Geth containers met the minimum weapon scan. It could very well be possible that what was possible for Saren to do on Noveria was impossible for the Citadel. Your scenario could very well be true in which case Saren behaved foolishly but because there are so many unknowns about security, protocols, contingency plans, etc other than the certainty that they exist, it is completely plausible that the Conduit method was the only way for Saren to sneak in a Geth army. My little hypothetical was only a hypothetical based on the information given.
Should BioWare have explained in detail the security in place aboard the Citadel and the full intricate planning behind Saren's caper? I don't know, maybe, it probably would have involved a lot of expository dialogue and derailing as far as things like tone are concerned. Personally, I don't see it as a plot hole: Saren needed to close the wards so Sovereign could have some alone time to open the Relay --> the console is located in the most important room in the galaxy --> important places have lots of security that needs to be bludgeoned with an army --> an army can only be brought in through a back door. There is nothing to say that the Geth couldn't be smuggled in but there is also nothing to say that it would most absolutely work, Saren and minions didn't op for that so I'm just assuming it wasn't a possibility. I'm just saying it is plausible that the Conduit was the only option or that it is also plausible that Saren and Sovereign didn't have a plan to invade the Citadel until discovering what the Conduit was shortly before Shepard and friends did.
As an aside, Sovereign and the Geth fleet did catch somewhat of a lucky break as only a fraction of the Citadel fleet was left to guard the Citadel as the rest of it was patrolling the border to the Terminus systems.
As for the Rachni fight I wouldn't say Shepard and friends are obviously winning; they can, after all, still all die and quite easily. But now we're getting to that fuzzy region of gameplay vs story. Or maybe Benezia was concentrating on the fight, people do tend to suffer from tunnel vision in stressful situations.
Who was strung along for years? I mean, producing a bad ending is a lot different from a bait and switch when it comes to fictional works.
Apparently "fans"
OP, I am glad you at least gave it another shot. I am sorry you feel the way that you do. I do feel some of your points are very nit-picky but there are a couple that are valid.
I know for me, Mass Effect 3 is my favorite game of the Trilogy, however I will concede that the original ending did leave me a bit disappointed. However, Leviathan and Extended Cut, filled in just enough for me, where I no longer have issues with it. Ironically, I have more playthroughs on Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.
Probably similar to being someone who wanted to love the game, enjoyed the series, only to have everything they loved about it cra...pooped on by the writers.
Being strung along for five years is going to cause some anger.
Meanwhile, at the BioLair (7 years ago):
Mac: It appears that the plebeians approve of our product.
Casey: Yes. Drew has done a fine job setting the trap. Little do they know what lies ahead for them.
Mac: Yes.
Casey: Yes.
"Oh this game... I hated it!
...let's play it again.
Oh man I still hate it! Lets make a topic on the BSN!"
Unbelievable.
That's like:
"God, I hate this guy... lets go pay him a visit.
MAN that sucked, I'll call my best friend now"
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