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[AlanC9]

There is nothing to say that the Geth couldn't be smuggled in but there is also nothing to say that it would most absolutely work,

What about krogan? Plenty of armed krogan on the Citadel.

[Iakus]

What about krogan? Plenty of armed krogan on the Citadel.

Not on the Presidium there aren't

[Immer Rastrelly]

(1) So, you didn't play far enough to see phantoms and nemeses ?
 

(2) It changes a few lines, so do your research.

1) So, there are phantoms and nemeses on Mars?

 

2) Changing a few lines changes nothing. There is no real explanation on why did Shepard return to Earth at all. In my continuity he had no reason to do so, and no reason is provided. Maybe paragon Shepard would do so on pure patriotism, but Renegade would definitely show a big middle finger to both the Alliance and the Council.

 

 

 

Because, being a terminatrix, she is tougher than your average redshirt?

Ooooh, so that's why she died from 5 shots right after the scene with kicking Ashley's ass!

 

 

 

In ME your gear transforms (which is why Wrex can use the same pistol as Liara) - you might have seen Shepard's gun extending when he draws it from the holster on his back. 

I'd like to see the transformation of obviously solid chestplate!

 

 

 

When you enter the earlier room with a workbench you over hear someone asking where that squad was. It's the same squad Shepard claims to be when calling for the tram. Shepard knew that squad hadn't been responding to the com so he/she figures that is the best chance of tricking them to send the tram over.

Thanks. I missed that part. Still odd for femshep though. Maybe their communication system makes any voice to sound like growling?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mass effect 3 does the most to discredit the need for saren to use the conduit to get an army on the citadel, imo. In a post war for the citadel galaxy, somehow cerberus is able to launch a full scale invasion and not only engage in open warfare against a more beefed up and prepared c-sec, almost wiping them out, but also nearly killed the council before they ever made it to the destiny ascension, which should have been damn near impossible after the geth almost pulled off that trick not more then 4 years ago. And all of that without the help of a secret back door into the citadel, which really makes me question why saren simply didn't create an indoctrinated army of sleeper agents by bringing them to sovereign and keeping them locked inside for a few weeks. Surely sovereign could wait a few years before kicking his plans into high gear and start indoctrinating people both saren and benezia could bring him over that time period.

[themikefest]

 

 

Thanks. I missed that part. Still odd for femshep though. Maybe their communication system makes any voice to sound like growling?

That's possible since every time you hear a Cerberus soldier talk they all sound the same.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Mass effect 3 does the most to discredit the need for saren to use the conduit to get an army on the citadel, imo. In a post war for the citadel galaxy, somehow cerberus is able to launch a full scale invasion and not only engage in open warfare against a more beefed up and prepared c-sec, almost wiping them out, but also nearly killed the council before they ever made it to the destiny ascension, which should have been damn near impossible after the geth almost pulled off that trick not more then 4 years ago. And all of that without the help of a secret back door into the citadel, which really makes me question why saren simply didn't create an indoctrinated army of sleeper agents by bringing them to sovereign and keeping them locked inside for a few weeks. Surely sovereign could wait a few years before kicking his plans into high gear and start indoctrinating people both saren and benezia could bring him over that time period.

 

Considering the implications of the Reapers only taking 2 years to fly into the galaxy from darkspace, the existence of the Catalyst, and Cerberus getting retconned every game I don't think the later games have much baring on what Saren was able to or not able to accomplish back in ME1 before the other games were written.

 

Also, if there was a chain of people who started to go missing for weeks at a time it would raise suspicion.

[Raizo]

I have no idea what the hell is wrong with you people: you hate a game. and then you play it again and then you whine you don't like it?
 
... what?

You make a very good point but at the same time have to come clean and admit that I also don't like ME3 and yet I am also guilty restarting a ME3 playthrough every now and again. I started my most recent playthrough at the beginning of the year when I realised I had Leviathan and Citadel installed on my PS3 and yet I had never actually played them. I can't remember where and when I got these dlc's but it had them. After a period of time it became impossible to keep ignoring ME3, I just felt compelled to complete it properly. Sadly I did not get very far in my playthrough, I ran into a lot of the same problems as the OP. I could probably power through the game relatively quickly if I did not feel compelled to scan every single planet, gather every single resource and complete all side missions.

[AlanC9]

Not on the Presidium there aren't

 

Funny. I never had any problem taking Wrex up there.

 

Anyway, you really think that problem's insoluble? Please.

[KaiserShep]

Funny. I never had any problem taking Wrex up there.
 

Shepard has the power to take anyone anywhere he/she pleases. Wanna bring a geth to the quarian flotilla? No problem!

[CronoDragoon]

Funny. I never had any problem taking Wrex up there.

 

Only because Shepard is a Spectre.

 

Oh right. We're back to square one.

[BlacJAC74]

I must say, having just played the Citadel for the first time since it was released, I'm glad BioWare never pandered to the people who wanted a cheesy ending.  Not saying it couldn't have been improved, but by the Gods, the Citadel was one huge cheese fest.  I actually went renegade just to stop the over the top cheesy nonsense.  I can't believe people wanted that.

[Iakus]

Funny. I never had any problem taking Wrex up there.

 

Anyway, you really think that problem's insoluble? Please.

 

And as the krogan talking about fish in ME2 remark, Wrex being allowed up there was a singular event.

[AlanC9]

And as the krogan talking about fish in ME2 remark, Wrex being allowed up there was a singular event.

Heh. You got me. I always avoid Krogan Sushi since it's such a stupid quest. Plus, what CronoDragoon said.

Second sentence still applies. You really think a bunch of asari commandos couldn't let the krogan in? With a Spectre running interference on whatever security protocols there are?

It isn't like you to make excuses for Bio like this. But I suppose that's because we mostly talk about ME3.

[Iakus]

Heh. You got me. I always avoid Krogan Sushi since it's such a stupid quest. Plus, what CronoDragoon said.

Second sentence still applies. You really think a bunch of asari commandos couldn't let the krogan in? With a Spectre running interference on whatever security protocols there are?

It isn't like you to make excuses for Bio like this. But I suppose that's because we mostly talk about ME3.

 

How many commandos?  How many krogan? 

 

And as I've said before, I don't think Saren knew what to look for until after he wasn't a Spectre anymore.  So him getting even one krogan through security could be a challenge for him.

 

And for the record, we mostly talk about ME3's ending.  There are a few things about the game itself I've actually defended.

 

Not a lot.  But a few 

[CronoDragoon]

And as I've said before, I don't think Saren knew what to look for until after he wasn't a Spectre anymore.

 

If we're willing to fill in ME1's dubious plot points with speculation, then I'm fine with that. But it does mean we are the ones doing the logic, not the game.

[Iakus]

If we're willing to fill in ME1's dubious plot points with speculation, then I'm fine with that. But it does mean we are the ones doing the logic, not the game.

 

Given we spend all of ME1's main plot  following in the the footsteps of Saren's own investigations, I'd hardly call this speculations.

 

I mean, why was he after the thorian again?

[Derpy]

HOW DARE YOU FIGHT ME WITH LOGIC™

[Iakus]

HOW DARE YOU FIGHT ME WITH LOGIC™

 

Wasn't that EC's answer?

[Derpy]

Wasn't that EC's answer?

EC's answer was "HOW DARE YOU FIGHT LOGIC WITH LOGIC!"

[CronoDragoon]

I mean, why was he after the thorian again?

 

Didn't he need the cypher or whatever? As I said I'm no ME1 expert.

 

But I'm not sure where we are going with this "Saren didn't know what to look for" thing. There's nothing about the Conduit information that reveals to us Sovereign didn't know he could dock with the Citadel and open the relay.

[Iakus]

Didn't he need the cypher or whatever? As I said I'm no ME1 expert.

 

But I'm not sure where we are going with this "Saren didn't know what to look for" thing. There's nothing about the Conduit information that reveals to us Sovereign didn't know he could dock with the Citadel and open the relay.

 

He could, and then get pounded on by every fleet within range of the Citadel.  Sovereign's not invincible.

 

Thus the geth and Saren.

 

Sure he could have made his run to the Citadel earlier, do all that stuff without the Conduit.  Maybe Saren, alone or with a small group of geth, asari and/or krogan could have stormed the Council chambers, turn off the relays, and close the arms to protect Sovereign.

 

But then Sovereign would be there with no idea what was wrong with the signal.  Was the problem with the Keepers?  The equipment on the Citadel?  If so was something added or removed?  Can the problem be overriden?  Is this something Sovereign could fix on his own, or could Saren repair it?  Will someone else have to be brought aboard?  

 

Sovereign has one shot to open the dark space relay.  If he fails he stands a very good chance of being destroyed.  And even if he escapes the galaxy is made aware of the Reapers and the importance of the Citadel, and will be that much more on guard.

 

It only makes sense that they will pursue all avenues of investigation to find out what happened to the Citadel after the last cycle.  Something called the Conduit was involved?  Better find out what that was.

[Immer Rastrelly]

That's possible since every time you hear a Cerberus soldier talk they all sound the same.

Indeed. Though, that would be reeeeally weird design choice ) I think their voices are in fact the same due to augmentations. Noone would ever create a communication system to unify all voices. That's a serious security threat

 

 

 

But then Sovereign would be there with no idea what was wrong with the signal.  Was the problem with the Keepers?  The equipment on the Citadel?

Could anyone remind me how did Saren and Sovereign find out what's actually wrong? Ancient computer told it to Shepard. AFAIK Saren didn't get that conversation - and beacon messages were a warning+path to Ilos relay, but not info on actual modifications performed to Citadel.

[CronoDragoon]

Could anyone remind me how did Saren and Sovereign find out what's actually wrong? Ancient computer told it to Shepard. AFAIK Saren didn't get that conversation - and beacon messages were a warning+path to Ilos relay, but not info on actual modifications performed to Citadel.

 

I'm pretty sure Vigil told Saren what he told Shepard. Apparently those scientists didn't have the indoctrination detector that Vendetta was installed with.

 

 

But then Sovereign would be there with no idea what was wrong with the signal. 

 

This would be compelling if the Conduit chase actually provided the key to fixing the signal, but it doesn't. They just ignore the Keepers in the end. It ends up being irrelevant what's wrong with the signal.

 

Also: why doesn't Saren just pretend Sovereign is a regular ship, which is everyone's assumption anyway, and get into the Citadel arms that way? Then go close the arms and Sovereign can dock. It's not like anyone even scratched Sovereign until his shields were fried by the destruction of Sarenbot (a contrivance that truly makes no sense).

[Iakus]

 

This would be compelling if the Conduit chase actually provided the key to fixing the signal, but it doesn't. They just ignore the Keepers in the end. It ends up being irrelevant what's wrong with the signal.

 

Well, yeah Vigil just handing the override over to Shepard was rather anticlimactic.  But the point was the signal wasn't malfunctioning, But the Keepers, those mysterious bug things no one knows anything about.  Turns out Saren has to go play Keeper for Sovereign.  And look, he's no longer welcome on the Citadel.

 

 

 

Also: why doesn't Saren just pretend Sovereign is a regular ship, which is everyone's assumption anyway, and get into the Citadel arms that way? Then go close the arms and Sovereign can dock. It's not like anyone even scratched Sovereign until his shields were fried by the destruction of Sarenbot (a contrivance that truly makes no sense).

 

Umm, because Sovereign is twice the size of any dreadnought?  And of unknown alien origin?  The Council would have to be insane or on drugs to let that thing anywhere near the Citadel.

 

But then, this is the Council we're talking about 

[CronoDragoon]

Umm, because Sovereign is twice the size of any dreadnought?  And of unknown alien origin?  The Council would have to be insane or on drugs to let that thing anywhere near the Citadel.

 

But then, this is the Council we're talking about 

 

So Saren lets C-Sec board to inspect the vessel and have it registered. Now Sovereign is not only documented as Saren's official ship, but you also have C-Sec officers indoctrinated for you. Win-win.