An epithet used to negatively describe a person who betrays their own group (usually a racial group, but not necessarily so) by participating in its oppression.
Coined as a reference to the novel, Uncle Tom's Cabin, by Harriet Beecher Stowe.
But the character of Uncle Tom in the original novel did not behave in the manner that the epithet implies. The meaning comes from derivative works that came later.
Yes, but in what regard to Vivienne do you seem to think she is "betraying her own race"?
Quite possibly she used blood magic to screw with the minds of those outside the Circle who might let her out, keep in mind.
Hope it will be so.
Yes, but in what regard to Vivienne do you seem to think she is "betraying her own race"?
Group, not race. I'm referring to the mages, natch.
I would've thought it was obvious. She opposes their fight against subjugation because it interrupts her selfish goals of personal advancement.
Do you even know what an Uncle Tom is?
Someone clearly needs to watch the Boondocks and look at uncle Rukus :3
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I really do not like the uncle tom reference. There is so much history behind that term. You will have to elaborate exactly what you did mean by uncle tom.
Still a huge difference to being a normal mage to being one at the top that is allowed much freedom then the rest. But that is just how I see things!
And really a character from the first game is all fine and good but not everyone will have played that.
Why play this game then?
I'm worried too. So far she totally sounds like the Uncle Tom of mages.
As a screaming queen, her cattiness and lust for finery should endear her to me, and I love the fact that Boware is continuing to put POC in their main cast.
But she just... she just strikes me as a vile, apologist cow. I kinda want to stab her in the face.
ok but you don't see anything wrong with calling a black character 'uncle tom' ... um?
What if I likened her to a gay republican? That's actually the first comparison that comes to mind, and one I made earlier in another thread.
Is that acceptable?
To be honest both are terrible. You might want to think about separating real life problems from fictional character problems. Unless you have a fictional character about real world problems.
I really do not like the uncle tom reference. There is so much history behind that term. You will have to elaborate exactly what you did mean by uncle tom.
I thought I just did? I was using it in the context that it's normally used; to refer to someone who participates in oppressing a group in which they themselves are a part.
If the term offends you, I won't use it again.
Uncle tom is a term mostly always associated with a black individual same way the "n" word is associated with us but sometimes is only claimed to mean an "ignorant" individual. I see what he meant to say but Uncle tom wasnt the best term
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I'm worried too. So far she totally sounds like the Uncle Tom of mages.
Really?
Hope it will be so.
I hope not. She seems nice, I don't want to behead her for being a sith lord.
I thought I just did? I was using it in the context that it's normally used; to refer to someone who participates in oppressing a group in which they themselves are a part.
If the term offends you, I won't use it again.
You just used it again.
ok but you don't see anything wrong with calling a black character 'uncle tom' ... um?
How about uncle Fenris?
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I thought I just did? I was using it in the context that it's normally used; to refer to someone who participates in oppressing a group in which they themselves are a part.
If the term offends you, I won't use it again.
It's just a bit weird. I mean Uncle Tom is usually used in the context of race. I have never heard of Uncle Tom being used in the context of a group. The word itself even has slave origins.
Uncle tom is a term mostly always associated with a black individual same way the "n" word is associated with us but sometimes is only claimed to mean an "ignorant" individual. I see what he meant to say but Uncle tom wasnt the best term
i mean..... how about no.
associating a word that is incredibly offensive to black people as just being 'ignorant' doesn't make it any better. that actually makes it worse lol.
So the mods should be here any hour or now to lock this thread.
Good work everybody. This was a nice team effort.
It's just a bit weird. I mean Uncle Tom is usually used in the context of race. I have never heard of Uncle Tom being used in the context of a group. The word itself even has slave origins.
I thought the term would be Benedict Arnold. But even that seems really out of place to call her.
To be honest both are terrible. You might want to think about separating real life problems from fictional character problems. Unless you have a fictional character about real world problems.
Dragon Age wasn't written by aliens. Analysing it through a contemporary lens and relating it to contemporary issues is a perfectly legit method of analysis.
There's a difference in parallels to real life issues and then using words that have real life contexts on characters that aren't the same. One is expected the other can be quite (Offensive isn't the right word) inaccurate and ridiculous.
Wynne wasn't pro-Circle, she was just pro-not getting murdered. She thought the Circle was bad, and wanted it to change, she just wasn't willing to take the needed action until her son's life was threatened.
All republicans oppress gays. Mighty political there, not Plantiff.
But what if it was?Dragon Age wasn't written by aliens. Analysing it through a contemporary lens and relating it to contemporary issues is a perfectly legit method of analysis.
i mean..... how about no.
associating a word that is incredibly offensive to black people as just being 'ignorant' doesn't make it any better. that actually makes it worse lol.
You're telling this to a black man lol, anyways my point was there might be other meanings to a particular word but that doesnt take away from the offensive context surrounding it
You know, for a guy who makes his battle on the Dragon Age forums 'equality' and and 'better treatment for the marginalised', you'd think you would have a bit more tact and sensibility before using the term 'Uncle Tom' in reference to a black character and then defending your usage of it.
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