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[DeinonSlayer]

But wet insta-dry jump suits are all the rage in certain parts of the country. 
 
I guess the deal is that parents buy M rated games for their 12 year olds, and then complain about the content, and a NC-17 rating is a death sentence as far as sales go. -- they have to go in "the back room" or in "Adult book stores."

Well, gee... seems to me, then, that the parents are the problem in this equation.

[Obadiah]

I'm still scarred by the nipples of the mother in Awakenings.

 

Oh God. Don't remind me.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh God. Don't remind me.

Must... purge...

[von uber]

Well, gee... seems to me, then, that the parents are the problem in this equation.

 

Definitely. Look at the age of kids playing GTA V for example. Age limits on games are rarely enforced.

[CrutchCricket]

New compromise:

 

Comepletely off-screen sex scenes but with God of War style minigames!

 

[Raizo]

Bioware doesn't need to add nudity to any of there games but there has to be a better alternative to the romance/sex scenes that we have been getting in ME2, ME3, etc. I thought they did a good job with the romance/sex scenes in ME1. On the other side of the spectrum we have Traynor in her underwear and Shepard fully clothed grinding against one another in the middle of a shower which just doesn't look right at all. If you are not going to show any nudity then you have to have a plan as to what you are going to show and what you are not, you can still make a steamy erotic sex scene and not show anything if you are clever with shadows and camera angles. The above mentioned sex scene between Shepard and Traynor could have been filmed from the back or from the sternum up thus protecting both characters' modesty. I suppose what I am asking for is better writing and better directing.

[Bob from Accounting]

there has to be a better alternative to the romance/sex scenes that we have been getting in ME2, ME3, etc.

 

Why?

 

What's the problem with fade to blacks?

[von uber]

Why?

 

What's the problem with fade to blacks?

 

What's the problem with nudity in a M rated game?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Why?

 

What's the problem with fade to blacks?

 

Is there a reason or problem that anyone has that won't be dismissed or strawmanned?

 

If no, then the response is simple. People have different preferences than you. You don't know better. Don't pretend that you do. Professionals don't know better. Don't pretend that they do.

[Bob from Accounting]

I must not be saying this slow enough.

 

The developers do not want to show it. They do not want to show it. They do not want to show it. Are you capable of grasping that?

 

Can you grasp the possibility that not every storyteller thinks their mature story will be improved by showing nudity?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What's the problem with nudity in a M rated game?

 

What's the problem with nudity in general. As long as it works, I don't think anyone is bothered by it. Just don't turn it into a soft-core porn session and I'm fine. Then again, they already did that with Liara. Shows where their priorities were at. VS, Sam, and Steve? Awkward sex in clothes. ME2 LI's? Fade to black. Liara? Two minutes of detailed soft-core. 

[DeinonSlayer]

I can sympathize with them not wanting to animate spiky space-raptor sex, but you must admit, David, the underwear-in-the-shower bit was more than a little ridiculous.

I still say they should have rendered Tali's face in-game... and getting spontaneously locked out of Miranda's apartment was just weird.

[TheTurtle]

Why?

 

What's the problem with fade to blacks?

It's not as much the fade to black as it is the ridiculousness of some of the scenes. I wouldn't say it was a problem in ME2 in fact all of those scenes were pretty realistic and made sense for the situation at hand. ME3 however had some very strange scenes that made little to no sense the most glaring example being any scene involving Traynor. There is also the fact that only Liara had a any real nudity and other LI's got shafted in that department. 

[Bob from Accounting]

There is also the fact that only Liara had a any real nudity and other LI's got shafted in that department. 

 

The implication there being that nudity automatically makes the relationship and character 'better.'

[von uber]

I must not be saying this slow enough.

 

The developers do not want to show it. They do not want to show it. They do not want to show it. Are you capable of grasping that?

 

Can you grasp the possibility that not every storyteller thinks their mature story will be improved by showing nudity?

 

Except Liara is naked. They gave the Banshee's flanges. The have certainly an eye for a leering camera, and are happy to have ****** thrust in the players face.

However, if you read the GDC talk you'll note they are actively trying to improve on this in the way they portay sexual orientation and also women etc. One would assume that that would lead naturally to a more realsitic portaryal of sex and nudity.

 

And no, for the millionth time, it doesn't have to be explicit.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The implication there being that nudity automatically makes the relationship and character 'better.'

 

Nobody said that. For someone who is so keen on 'implications' and 'implicit' meanings that, in reality, you make up and ascribe to others, they're all unsurprisingly daft and untrue. 

 

Liara having nudity in her scene does not mean the relationship and character are better. The implicit meaning here is that, in conjunction with the other characters lack of a scene and brevity of their moment compared to the all out soft-core nature of Liara's scene that lasts twice as long as anybody else's, there is favoritism displayed that goes beyond even a narrative context.

[Astartes Marine]

The implication there being that nudity automatically makes the relationship and character 'better.'

Point being?  It's still relevant.  There was more attention to detail in Liara's scenes versus the others including the aforementioned clothes-on scenes. 

 

If you're not going to show it for some, don't show it at all.  If you're going to show it for one character, might as well go the extra mile.  Don't pick and choose, satisfy all instead.  ME1 got it right IMO, show some skin but not enough to get all crazy over.

[Raizo]

Why?

 

What's the problem with fade to blacks?

Nothing. Truth be told I have nothing a nothing against the classic fade to black. I just don't want to see characters in there underwear performing ( poorly animated ) sexual acts on one another, it does not look right. If you are going to make the effort to show the actual sex scene you have to do it right. No more Miranda humping Shepard in engineering while fully clothed or watching Bioware characters making the beast with two backs in their underwear.

[Bob from Accounting]

However, if you read the GDC talk you'll note they are actively trying to improve on this in the way they portay sexual orientation and also women etc. One would assume that that would lead naturally to a more realsitic portaryal of sex and nudity.

 

I fail to assume how 'one would assume' such a thing at all. I certainly don't assume that portraying sexual orientation and women better means showing more boobies, as you seem to.

 

Except Liara is naked. They gave the Banshee's flanges. The have certainly an eye for a leering camera, and are happy to have ****** thrust in the players face.

 

And guess what? Not one of those things is complete and explicit nudity in a sexual context.

[DeinonSlayer]

Nobody said that. For someone who is so keen on 'implications' and 'implicit' meanings that, in reality, you make up and ascribe to others, they're all unsurprisingly daft and untrue. 
 
Liara having nudity in her scene does not mean the relationship and character are better. The implicit meaning here is that, in conjunction with the other characters lack of a scene and brevity of their moment compared to the all out soft-core nature of Liara's scene that lasts twice as long as anybody else's, there is favoritism displayed that goes beyond even a narrative context.

This. Liara has a conversation with six dialogue trees before a two-minute scene with a unique model employed. The dextros, by comparison, have one dialogue tree, instant fade to black, starbrat dream, one dialogue tree, Cronos. Haven't romanced Miranda in ME3, but I understand they fade to black and the next thing you know, you're staring at the locked door of her apartment.

Citadel DLC rectified a lot of this, but it shows who they prioritized in the vanilla game.

[von uber]

Not one of those things is complete and explicit nudity in a sexual context.

 

You do love that word explicit don't you. And I have never used it once. Funny that.

[Bob from Accounting]

That's clearly what we're talking about. Since 'nudity' exists in ME 1 and ME 3. And you're asking for more. Showing privates. Would that not be explicit nudity?

[TheTurtle]

The implication there being that nudity automatically makes the relationship and character 'better.'

No not at all in fact for some cases no nudity works perfectly. Jack's romance scene in ME2 was a great example of this it fit greatly with the atmosphere of the scene. The real problem stems from what some may perceive as favoritism. If I romance one character, in my case Ashley, then go on to romance Liara on my femshep account I may be left with a bad taste in my mouth. One scene is a very clumsy and awkward clothed sex scene and another is as someone above put it soft core porn I as the player might feel some kind of way. Basically if you're going to be prudish with romance scenes at least be prudish across the board.