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[Samahl na Revas]

I'm on my way to work so in no way can I do justice to this topic. Therefore, I will try to keep it short.

 

Where do you think the Red Lyrium/ Lyrium comes from? Both in the fade and in Thedas or they exclusive of each other ects... 

 

It is said that even normal humans through instinct can effect the fade to some degree, and from what we know of the Fade is that demons etc try to mimic human dreams in shaping the fade. Therefore, my theory is that the red lyrium we have seen present in the fade is a recent thing and maybe affect the fade in an unpredictable manner. Ah, got to go, I may or may not update my thoughts on this post but it just hit me right before work, I didn't have time to research lyrium etc, just what I remembered.

 

Right now as I'm ending this topic the things that are running through my mind is how would dreaming of x affect the fade/ can it affect the fade?

 

I will check back later, sorry for the injustice beforehand.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I liked the theory from another thread that it comes from the Black City originally. I had thought before that it might be tainted lyrium, because of the song. There's lyrium all over in the fade, so maybe there was also lyrium abundantly spread around the Black City and it became corrupted, as well, whenever/however it happened to the city.

[Brass_Buckles]

I liked the theory from another thread that it comes from the Black City originally. I had thought before that it might be tainted lyrium, because of the song. There's lyrium all over in the fade, so maybe there was also lyrium abundantly spread around the Black City and it became corrupted, as well, whenever/however it happened to the city.

 

If that is the case, then someone may have reached the Black City, in order for the red lyrium to spread outward from there.  It would mean that the entire Fade is becoming corrupted.

 

I figure it's more likely that red lyrium is a response to the existence of regular lyrium in the real world.  But either theory works.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If that is the case, then someone may have reached the Black City, in order for the red lyrium to spread outward from there.  It would mean that the entire Fade is becoming corrupted.

 

I figure it's more likely that red lyrium is a response to the existence of regular lyrium in the real world.  But either theory works.

Well, we're pretty sure Corypheus already did. We don't really know if anyone else has, or if it's been down in the Primeval Thaig since the magisters first made contact.

 

It's also possible that Morrigan or Flemeth have been there. Morrigan said in Witch Hunt that the Eluvian went "beyond the Fade", which could be the Black City. But I don't necessarily think they were responsible for the red lyrium. I think it's probably just been down there for ages. Who knows? Maybe the magisters even made contact with the Black City in that specific spot. 

[Vulpe]

I think that normal lyrium comes from DRAGONS!!!

 

As for the red one...I think that someone or something altered the original one for a yet unknown reason.

[EnduinRaylene]

I liked the theory from another thread that it comes from the Black City originally. I had thought before that it might be tainted lyrium, because of the song. There's lyrium all over in the fade, so maybe there was also lyrium abundantly spread around the Black City and it became corrupted, as well, whenever/however it happened to the city.

 

It being a product of the Golden City/Black City isn't possible in my mind because the Primeval Thaig where we first encounter it was supposed to be many thousands of years old, predating the first Thaig and recorded Dwarven history let a lone the corruption of the Gold City and onset of the Blights/Old Gods which happens far later than that.

 

So Red Lyrium has to be something that existed from the start, or was created very far back in time. It still could be related to the Old Gods or some other ancient power though,

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It being a product of the Golden City/Black City isn't possible in my mind because the Primeval Thaig where we first encounter it was supposed to be many thousands of years old, predating the first Thaig and recorded Dwarven history let a lone the corruption of the Gold City and onset of the Blights/Old Gods which happens far later than that.

 

So Red Lyrium has to be something that existed from the start, or was created very far back in time. It still could be related to the Old Gods or some other ancient power though,

Well, we also don't know how long the Golden/Black City has been corrupted. Corypheus says the city was black, but it's vague whether he means it turned black or was already black. It's possible the city was black when he got there and this somehow came from it before.

 

It's also noted on the wiki that there are Golems in the Primeval Thaig when they shouldn't have existed yet, so the Thaig might have been used since. I'm more likely to believe either the tech existed before, for another civilization, or it was flatly a game making oversight, though. 

 

I feel like it has something to do with the Old Gods because of the singing that Bertrand talked about. It seems, to me, like a strange coincidence, with all the other connections to the singing. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Well, we're pretty sure Corypheus already did. We don't really know if anyone else has, or if it's been down in the Primeval Thaig since the magisters first made contact.

 

It's also possible that Morrigan or Flemeth have been there. Morrigan said in Witch Hunt that the Eluvian went "beyond the Fade", which could be the Black City. But I don't necessarily think they were responsible for the red lyrium. I think it's probably just been down there for ages. Who knows? Maybe the magisters even made contact with the Black City in that specific spot. 

 

I honestly don't remember Corypheus.  Was he in a DLC for DA2 or have I just forgotten him?  I've seen him mentioned repeatedly.  I had all the DLC, but never got around to replaying DA2--I intend to do so once I finish my DA:O replay.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I honestly don't remember Corypheus.  Was he in a DLC for DA2 or have I just forgotten him?  I've seen him mentioned repeatedly.  I had all the DLC, but never got around to replaying DA2--I intend to do so once I finish my DA:O replay.

Yeah, he was from the Legacy DLC. He looks basically like The Architect. He looks like an intelligent Darkspawn mage, at least to me. Maybe a little more human. He says he was a Tevinter magister and that they did go to the Golden/Black City. My impression and what the wiki says is that he claimed the city was already black when they arrived. The wording was a bit vague, though, so you could understand it either way.

[EnduinRaylene]

Well, we also don't know how long the Golden/Black City has been corrupted. Corypheus says the city was black, but it's vague whether he means it turned black or was already black. It's possible the city was black when he got there and this somehow came from it before.
 
It's also noted on the wiki that there are Golems in the Primeval Thaig when they shouldn't have existed yet, so the Thaig might have been used since. I'm more likely to believe either the tech existed before, for another civilization, or it was flatly a game making oversight, though. 
 
I feel like it has something to do with the Old Gods because of the singing that Bertrand talked about. It seems, to me, like a strange coincidence, with all the other connections to the singing.

That's a good point, if the Golden City was always corrupt, or was corrupted long before humans entered, that could account for a lot things including red lyrium. I mean how/why are the Old Gods buried/imprisoned in the first place and what is the Golden City them? Was it all just a ploy to corrupt humans so they could enslave them and set them free?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's a good point, if the Golden City was always corrupt, or was corrupted long before humans entered, that could account for a lot things including red lyrium. I mean how/why are the Old Gods buried/imprisoned in the first place and what is the Golden City them? Was it all just a ploy to corrupt humans so they could enslave them and set them free?

I also wonder, though, why the Old Gods would want to be freed in the way the Blights result. Why would they want the taint? It seems like corruption is not exactly pleasant. It's really bizarre, because I can't see what they gain from it based on what we know.

[EnduinRaylene]

I also wonder, though, why the Old Gods would want to be freed in the way the Blights result. Why would they want the taint? It seems like corruption is not exactly pleasant. It's really bizarre, because I can't see what they gain from it based on what we know.

That's something else I'm uncertain of. How do we know they become tainted by the Dark Spawn when they are recovered? If say the Golden City was theirs thus it was actually always Black wouldn't that mean they themselves were always corrupted?

If the Maker or some other deity banished them, imprisoning them far underground and sealed their place of power in the Fade, the Golden City, it would then make sense to me that they would attempt to entice mortals to break that seal and to free them from their physical bonds.

It is said the Magisters sacrificed untold numbers of peoples and used enough lyrium to go to the moon and back order enter the Golden City, so that to me sounds like a brute force way of breaking down some kind of serious barrier. Sure such a barrier could be in place to protect the utopian afterlife the Maker has for us or it could also be there to keep in the center of terrible magic and evil.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's something else I'm uncertain of. How do we know they become tainted by the Dark Spawn when they are recovered? If say the Golden City was theirs thus it was actually always Black wouldn't that mean they themselves were always corrupted?

If the Maker or some other deity banished them, imprisoning them far underground and sealed their place of power in the Fade, the Golden City, it would then make sense to me that they would attempt to entice mortals to break that seal and to free them from their physical bonds.

It is said the Magisters sacrificed untold numbers of peoples and used enough lyrium to go to the moon and back order enter the Golden City, so that to me sounds like a brute force way of breaking down some kind of serious barrier. Sure such a barrier could be in place to protect the utopian afterlife the Maker has for us or it could also be there to keep in the center of terrible magic and evil.

Well, during Awakening you find out that the Blight from Origins is a result of The Architect trying to make Urthemial, the Arch Demon from the game, into an "intelligent darkspawn" like he is. So, if that's true, it's pretty sure that they do become tainted. We know from the books that the wardens even know where the Old Gods are buried. The Architect used warden blood to make Darkspawn into the intelligent type.

 

I still have no idea why the Old Gods would want to be corrupted with the taint if they weren't already, though. It's possible, though, that they don't know the Golden/Black City was corrupted and don't know their song is bringing the taint. It does seem connected to them, though, since only those with the taint can hear their song. 

[EnduinRaylene]

Well, during Awakening you find out that the Blight from Origins is a result of The Architect trying to make Urthemial, the Arch Demon from the game, into an "intelligent darkspawn" like he is. So, if that's true, it's pretty sure that they do become tainted. We know from the books that the wardens even know where the Old Gods are buried. The Architect used warden blood to make Darkspawn into the intelligent type.
 
I still have no idea why the Old Gods would want to be corrupted with the taint if they weren't already, though. It's possible, though, that they don't know the Golden/Black City was corrupted and don't know their song is bringing the taint. It does seem connected to them, though, since only those with the taint can hear their song.

It must be that the taint is important to them in some way. Awakening them from their imprisonment, reconnecting them to the Fade or the Golden City or something like that. They want it and call the Darkspawn to them for a reason. There is something more to the taint than just corrupting things and bringing them into the Old God's influence. Avernus mentions seeing the Black City and almost finding the true answer to what the taint is. I wonder if the tear in the veil will give a chance to see for ourselves.