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[GithCheater]

I think I will need a refund when Vivienne prematurely ends my character's existence when I choose the wrong specialization at level 7.

[Taki17]

Yeah, it always bugged me how other characters acted towards you if you were a blood mage. A blood mage, one of the most dangerous and feard things in the whole known world, at yet you only get a small disagreement from your companions, and they keep following you like nothing happened.

 

It'd be a nice change, if being a blood mage had a much larger impact on your party & enviroment in Inquisition, like some companions would leave or turn on you. I could imagine something like that for Vivienne.

[Vulpe]

Don't forget Cass and Cullen.

[Tevinter Soldier]

it doesn't matter your a blood mage, if they try to leave turn them into your slaves and force them to follow you or drain them of life completely to charge you up before battle……. god i pry i can kill varric with great big bombs of exploding blood

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Don't forget Cass and Cullen.

Yeah, I'm more worried about Cassandra 'prematurely ending a character's existence' considering her known, and understood, hatred of blood mages.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, you have these people in a party with other blood mages and sorts against their philosophy that they don't kill, so I'm not sure it follows to assume they'd be more than grumpy with you either. If they turn on you, you'd think they'd basically have to demand every opposing view party member be expelled/executed or they leave/fight you and the other to the death. It's not really possible to do that and make a successful game, so I think we're just going to have to deal with it.

 

Although, to be honest, Vivienne doesn't even strike me as the sort to have such strong convictions. She's pro-circle because she thinks that's what will get her ahead, is my impression. Her description on the blog says, "Vivienne fights to restore order in a world gone mad…so long as that leaves her among those left standing, once all is said and done." So, I don't see her as someone with strong moral convictions. 

[nightcobra]

if the previews are correct then even if vivienne wants to kill you for being a blood mage she'd be signing Orlais's death sentence since we're the only ones with the ability to close the veil tears making it our *get out of jail free card*

 

After all is said and done though, she might try to kill you.

[nightcobra]

snip, double post.

[TurretSyndrome]

Don't be surprised(or whine for that matter) if companions do turn on you for choosing to go the Blood Magic route. They did say that most companions are capable of leaving or be killed in some situations in DA:I, this could be one of them. Remember that this is finally a choice you make, and if the consequence is that one or more companions will get upset/leave/attack you, it's something you will have to deal with.

[EmissaryofLies]

Wait a sec. 

 

Companions will actually care about blood magic this time around? Well call me Tyler and shave my head. That'd be just the greatest thing in DA,  The ability for players to use it benevolently without losing control or succumbing to a demon all the while fighting the negative press and companion perceptions.

 

Will be so much fun using it to meet the Inquistor's ends, however.  

[renfrees]

I think it'll be less of a concern for pragmatic Vivienne ("end justifies the means"), than say, for Cass.

[GithCheater]

Perhaps Cass will be worse.  However ...

 

Mary Kirby indicated in the Bioware Blog on Vivienne:

 

"and her interactions with a certain unnamed Inquisition mage can be ... explosive".

 

Perhaps that indicates the PC, or the apostate mage companion, Solas, or perhaps someone else.

 

I am not sure she would tolerate an apostate blood mage PC very well, if at all ...

[renfrees]

Perhaps Cass will be worse.  However ...

 

Mary Kirby indicated in the Bioware Blog on Vivienne:

 

"and her interactions with a certain unnamed Inquisition mage can be ... explosive".

 

Perhaps that indicates the PC, or the apostate mage companion, Solas, or perhaps someone else.

 

I am not sure she would tolerate an apostate as well as blood mage PC very well, if at all ...

Nothing indicates, that these interactions would be heated over magic or means of magic, and not thousand other things. Magic doesn't define the character.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Maybe the other mage said her hat was dumb. 

[Maria Caliban]

It's an issue with which I feel sympathy for BioWare; they built up blood mages as so horrific and powerful that anyone aligned with the Circle, Templars, or Chantry ought to immediately put down a blood mage. It wasn't that bad in DA:O, blood magic had historic injustices but other than Jowan, you might believe it was a grey area. That Leliana or Alistair didn't freak out when you used blood magic was considered okay. Wynne disliked it but she was something of a conservative Circle mage.

DA II managed to flanderize blood magic. It wasn't morally dubious or bad, it was BAD. Seeing someone perform it was akin to seeing someone murder a puppy while crying out their allegiance to Satan. It also went from an alternate source of power that could do some things other magics couldn't - enter the fade without a ton of lyrium, create an OGB - to the real, ultimate power. There was nothing it couldn't do and it would do it better than any other schools of magic, and that utility was balanced narratively by only having complete villains (and nuts Orseno) use it.

Merrill was the only thing close to DA:O's handling of blood magic, but she wasn't enough to balance against the swarms of evil and insane blood mages the game tossed at us.

Dragon Age: Inquisition needs to tone down blood magic. Show magic from other schools that's just as powerful as blood magic. Give us ONE companion who hates it utterly, and some who comment that they don't like it, but understand it may be the only way to fix things. Have a sane, non-obsessed mage show interest in it or appreciation of it, but don't have them sucked into the dark side of dominating people's minds or creating zombie moms or becoming a harvester 2.0.

[KainD]

Not Vivienne OP. 

[Swoopdogg]

Alistair: Is that... are you using blood magic?

Warden: Dude, come on, we're bros

Alistair: Ha, yeah, you're right. Keep on cuttin'!

[KainD]

Alistair: Is that... are you using blood magic?

Warden: Dude, come on, we're bros

Alistair: Ha, yeah, you're right. Keep on cuttin'!

 

This is how it should be.

[Swoopdogg]

This is how it should be.

I prefer companions thinking for themselves, but I also think that they should trust you, as the leader. Especially if you're killing every demon in sight, I don't think you're gonna let a little bit of blood magic turn you over to the dark side.

 

So yes. This is how it should be. (More or less)

[Cainhurst Crow]

This is how it should be.

Anders: Stop flaying that mage alive, he's done nothing wrong.

Hawke: Chill man, we're bros remember?

Anders: Well when you put it that way, make sure you clean up afterwards.

[KainD]

Anders: Stop flaying that mage alive, he's done nothing wrong.

Hawke: Chill man, we're bros remember?

Anders: Well when you put it that way, make sure you clean up afterwards.

 

Sounds good, as long as you REALLY are bros. 

[Swoopdogg]

Isabela: You sold Fenris back into slavery?????

Hawke: Don't get mad! Izzy, you're my forever girl!

Isabela: Aww, let's have sex!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Merril: You broke my eluvian and used it to kill the keeper. H-how could you be so cruel?

Hawke: Girl you look fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. You been working out?

Merril: Take me now, you charmer you.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

lmao, oh Maker, so true... so true.

[Swoopdogg]

Back on topic though, the problem with blood magic is that people immediately label it as inherently evil, when in reality it's just another form of magic. It's typically used to do evil things, yes, but it isn't itself evil. So I think you can convince your companions that you use it to do good.

 

I don't think Vivienne or any other character will leave your party for using blood magic. They'll certainly disagree with you and you'll lose their approval, but they probably won't leave unless you do something completely malevolent.

 

Vivienne: I'm not sure I can condone you using blood magic

Inquisitor: Did I mention you have the cuuuuutest shoes?

Vivienne: Thanks! You know, you're not half bad, Inquisitor