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[Divine Justinia V]

It would be really awesome, to me, if Corypheus was trying to get back into the Black City to either conquer it or truly become, what he thinks is, a God.

 

but I doubt it

[Iron Fist]

I think the red lyrium is involved. I don't think the Veil had ever torn on such a massive scale, until after the discovery of red lyrium.

[Xilizhra]

The cause may be red lyrium, but I personally suspect the Veil tears are just a red herring, with the real object of desire for the Agents of Chaos being the Stone that supposedly lives beneath Orlais.

[Master Warder Z_]

It would be really awesome, to me, if Corypheus was trying to get back into the Black City to either conquer it or truly become, what he thinks is, a God.

 

O_O MY CONDO!

[Hellion Rex]

The cause may be red lyrium, but I personally suspect the Veil tears are just a red herring, with the real object of desire for the Agents of Chaos being the Stone that supposedly lives beneath Orlais.

But by what mechanism could someone rip the Veil on such an enormous scale?

[Xilizhra]

But by what mechanism could someone rip the Veil on such an enormous scale?

Something to do with lyrium and/or dragons' blood is my guess. Possibly also Eluvians, though I have a feeling otherwise.

[Master Warder Z_]

But by what mechanism could someone rip the Veil on such an enormous scale?

 

Off the top of my head?

 

I'd think something tapping into the geothermic  and kinetic energy of Thedas, Natural energies can augment the arcane as the lore has demonstrated, a suitably powerful focus or medium likely could sunder the veil via blood magic or mass death. It would explain how it was able to be opened all across Thedas, because it would be following the magical lay lines so to speak.

 

Agents of Chaos could just follow the energy and poof, and torn to pieces shield between the fade and the mortal waking world.

 

My theory anyway.

[Hellion Rex]

Off the top of my head?

 

I'd think something tapping into the geothermic  and kinetic energy of Thedas, Natural energies can augment the arcane as the lore has demonstrated, a suitably powerful focus or medium likely could sunder the veil via blood magic or mass death. It would explain how it was able to be opened all across Thedas, because it would be following the magical lay lines so to speak.

 

Agents of Chaos could just follow the energy and poof, and torn to pieces shield between the fade and the mortal waking world.

 

My theory anyway.

Oh...nice theory. Didn't think about ley lines.

[whogotsalami]

IMO somewhere, somehow, a massive amounts of Red Lyrium(enhanced version of normal Lyrium) were used by the Red Templars to tear the Veil. It was intentional.

[Annihilator27]

I'm betting my last nug bomb on Flemeth.

[Althix]

artifacts or sacrifices.

[Taki17]

I hope we'll get to see a good explanation for the veil tear, something better than "blood mages". Could the demons from the other side do it? It is known that they are constantly trying to get into our world.

[Vulpe]

I think the red lyrium is involved. I don't think the Veil had ever torn on such a massive scale, until after the discovery of red lyrium.

 

You might be right. Red lyrium might be the cause, but from what I've read in here people think that it on itself is responsable for it.

 

I think that the ones that riped the Veil just used it as a substitute for the huge amounts of blood and blue lyrium required for such a powerful magic. After all, red lyrium is very potent.

[Mockingword]

I imagine it has something to do with the Venatori (spelling?), whoever they are.

 

If Yavana is right, and the Veil is an artificial construct, then my question is who created it, and why.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I originally thought Morrigan would be the culprit, but I can easily see how Corypheus would be a prime suspect. I've also assumed that Morrigan would make her big move before Flemeth and then Flemeth would save the PC so that (whether the PC realizes it or not) they help Flemeth advance her plan.

[Taki17]

I don't think Corypheus would be involved in the Veil tear at all, considering that he's a DLC character and BW would never put someone like that in important role.

 

My guess is Flemeth. We've seen several screenshots about dragons that look like Flemeth in her dragon form, so she's bound to return in Inqusition.

 

I'm curious about Morrigan, though. I wonder what her plans are. If the Warden did the dark ritual at the end of DAO, Morrigan's child could be also one of the prime suspects regarding the veil tear.

[ZombieMasterDW]

I don't think Corypheus would be involved in the Veil tear at all, considering that he's a DLC character and BW would never put someone like that in important role.

 

My guess is Flemeth. We've seen several screenshots about dragons that look like Flemeth in her dragon form, so she's bound to return in Inqusition.

 

I'm curious about Morrigan, though. I wonder what her plans are. If the Warden did the dark ritual at the end of DAO, Morrigan's child could be also one of the prime suspects regarding the veil tear.

 

You make a good point about Corypheus. I'm hesitant to assume that a DLC character could have such an important role, but Corypheus does manage to survive and seems like he would want to finish what the origanal darkspawn started. Regardless of who is directly responsible, I think that this massive veil tear will have multiple people/entities like Morrigan, Flemeth, Corypheus, the "forbidden ones", etc. all trying to take advantage of the situation.

[Vulpe]

I imagine it has something to do with the Venatori (spelling?), whoever they are.

 

If Yavana is right, and the Veil is an artificial construct, then my question is who created it, and why.

 

The venatori seem to be more the Tevinter/dragon cultist grunts to me.

 

What intrigues me is their name. Venator means hunter in lating and there is also a word in my language "vânător" with the plural "vânători" which means the same thing.It can't be a coincidence.

 

I wonder whom they are hunting.

[ZombieMasterDW]

The venatori seem to be more the Tevinter/dragon cultist grunts to me.

 

What intrigues me is their name. Venator means hunter in lating and there is also a word in my language "vânător" with the plural "vânători" which means the same thing.It can't be a coincidence.

 

I wonder whom they are hunting.

 

That's very interesting. Maybe they are hunting dragons to use dragon's blood for some kind of ritual. In that demo on youtube there's a dragon in the same area as the Venatori keep you can capture.

[Taki17]

If you've read the Silent Grove-Those who speak-Until we sleep comic series, Tevinter magisters use dragon blood (or people with the blood of the dragon) to do extremly powerful blood magic. So the Venatori might be working for them, capturing dragons and individuals with the rare dragon blood, and the magisters could've been responsible for opening the veil during a blood magic experiment.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't think Corypheus would be involved in the Veil tear at all, considering that he's a DLC character and BW would never put someone like that in important role.

 

Why not? The Legacy DLC doesn't actually do much with Corypheus that would be necessary context for the Inquisitor, while still setting forth events that would occur regardless of Hawke's involvement. If you play Legacy, Corypheus escapes despite his defeat to Hawke by body swap. If you don't, then the already weakening of the seals and what's-her-name's interference can justify his escape.

 

ME did something similar with Arrival- the events occurred regardless whether Shepard was there or not. Arrival also introduced Hackett in person, for what that's worth.

 

 

So say it was Corypheus. Hawke's involvement changes... what exactly?

[volaticus]

What if... it's the Chantry's fault?

That's very possible, the chantry seems more a man made creation than anything along with man made interpretations. I remember hearing somewhere that the vael didn't always exist and magic was free, but eventually the fade came in, which also poses a question if the demons were of a solid form before and whom created the fade.

 

I also had a crazy theory that the main character may have caused the tear, he/she was there during the time it tore, the only survivor too, it makes me question whether they were just a simple passer by or if they passed through the vael and may be some kind of magical person that took physical form (perhaps a demon). It's probably been explained that they were some passer by but what if...

 

I feel the most likely explination would either be flemeth or a tevinter magister (mostly because I suspect that flemeth is either a forgotton one, an old god, or the maker itself (aka a crack idea where andraste and the maker are one in the same). The tevinter Magister is also likely because the old gods are kind of trapped in slumber = the fade (most likely)

[Aulis Vaara]

I have a theory. We know that the veil did not always exist. We also know that dragon blood contains a lot of power. So what if the Old Gods are the seals of the Veil, or focal points, or anchors, or whatever you want to call it?

It would make sense. The Old Gods would have been sealed in the depths, not to punish them, but to keep them away from hands that might wish to destroy the Veil.

The Veil was initially created to separate the realms of the Fade, Thedas, and the World beyond the Fade. Nobody really had any problem with that at the time, it must've been useful for them to do so. However, when Fen'Harel trapped the Forgotten Ones and the Creators in their own realms (the Fade and the World beyond the Fade?), suddenly those Old Gods became big targets for those that did not want to be trapped.

So they were buried deep underground where no-one could reach them, where they would be safe from agents of either faction. The Forgotten Ones began to pose as those gods, luring the Magisters to the Black City to unleash their plague and corrupt the Old Gods. This could have one of two outcomes: either the Thedas would be corrupted and destroyed, or the Old Gods would get killed. In the latter case, the veil would weaken and eventually be destroyed, setting the Forgotten Ones free. In the first case, they would not immediately achieve the goal of freedom, but their darkness would still control a realm, and they could adjust their plan from there.

 

The reason why the veil is torn, is because it was already weaker due to many of the seals keeping it in place already having been destroyed. Unleash a magical war across Thedas and whatever is left of the veil gets torn to pieces.

How everything else fits in, I'm not entirely sure of. But it seems to me that Flemeth wants to see the veil sundered, while Morrigan wants to see it whole, hence the Dark Ritual and saving the Old God's soul.

Notes: I'm not sure Fen'Harel and the elven pantheon are truly gods, nor is that required for this theory. All that is required is that they have power, and that the story is based on something that really happened (i.e. two groups of warring factions that were each locked into their own realms).

In this theory, the Old Gods actually are little more than high dragons and might not even be male. Not sure if there is any confirmation out there about their actual gender, but they might just be pawns, used for the power of their blood. They would have no more sentience than the other dragons, and their capability to lead the horde is either born of the taint, or is some form of indirect control by the Forgotten Ones through the taint.

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It also occurs to me that in going to the Black City, the Magisters actually did get the powers of their gods. The whole body swapping thing seems like it came with the corruption, but Grey Wardens can't do that, and in fact are immune against it. So the power may actually be inherent in the Old Gods because they are anchors to the Veil, and by stepping into the Black City, the Magisters have done the same or something similar to themselves. In that sense, the way that the body switching works might not be dissimilar to how demonic possession works.

This might also be the way how the Darkspawn corruption can exist across Thedas: the Magisters are in themselves connections to the Black City and the taint. Kill them, and the whole problem goes away. On the other hand, destroy the veil and the Forgotten Ones and the Creators are free to wage war across Thedas again and darkspawn can roam free across Thedas forever.

[DrBlingzle]

Carl did it.

Seriously this proves it: http://m.youtube.com...h?v=71iZieJWmmk

[Vulpe]

I have a theory. We know that the veil did not always exist. We also know that dragon blood contains a lot of power. So what if the Old Gods are the seals of the Veil, or focal points, or anchors, or whatever you want to call it?

It would make sense. The Old Gods would have been sealed in the depths, not to punish them, but to keep them away from hands that might wish to destroy the Veil.

The Veil was initially created to separate the realms of the Fade, Thedas, and the World beyond the Fade. Nobody really had any problem with that at the time, it must've been useful for them to do so. However, when Fen'Harel trapped the Forgotten Ones and the Creators in their own realms (the Fade and the World beyond the Fade?), suddenly those Old Gods became big targets for those that did not want to be trapped.

So they were buried deep underground where no-one could reach them, where they would be safe from agents of either faction. The Forgotten Ones began to pose as those gods, luring the Magisters to the Black City to unleash their plague and corrupt the Old Gods. This could have one of two outcomes: either the Thedas would be corrupted and destroyed, or the Old Gods would get killed. In the latter case, the veil would weaken and eventually be destroyed, setting the Forgotten Ones free. In the first case, they would not immediately achieve the goal of freedom, but their darkness would still control a realm, and they could adjust their plan from there.

 

The reason why the veil is torn, is because it was already weaker due to many of the seals keeping it in place already having been destroyed. Unleash a magical war across Thedas and whatever is left of the veil gets torn to pieces.

How everything else fits in, I'm not entirely sure of. But it seems to me that Flemeth wants to see the veil sundered, while Morrigan wants to see it whole, hence the Dark Ritual and saving the Old God's soul.

Notes: I'm not sure Fen'Harel and the elven pantheon are truly gods, nor is that required for this theory. All that is required is that they have power, and that the story is based on something that really happened (i.e. two groups of warring factions that were each locked into their own realms).

In this theory, the Old Gods actually are little more than high dragons and might not even be male. Not sure if there is any confirmation out there about their actual gender, but they might just be pawns, used for the power of their blood. They would have no more sentience than the other dragons, and their capability to lead the horde is either born of the taint, or is some form of indirect control by the Forgotten Ones through the taint.

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It also occurs to me that in going to the Black City, the Magisters actually did get the powers of their gods. The whole body swapping thing seems like it came with the corruption, but Grey Wardens can't do that, and in fact are immune against it. So the power may actually be inherent in the Old Gods because they are anchors to the Veil, and by stepping into the Black City, the Magisters have done the same or something similar to themselves. In that sense, the way that the body switching works might not be dissimilar to how demonic possession works.

This might also be the way how the Darkspawn corruption can exist across Thedas: the Magisters are in themselves connections to the Black City and the taint. Kill them, and the whole problem goes away. On the other hand, destroy the veil and the Forgotten Ones and the Creators are free to wage war across Thedas again and darkspawn can roam free across Thedas forever.

 

I LIKE YOU!

 

I was thinking this things ( with some variations; ex: Flemeth wants the Veil intact ) a long time ago. Search for my comments from this old and marvelous thread  regarding this subject. Might help you better develop your theory. I also recommend entering on "The Xand" theories regarding this subject. While his theory might vary, the comments from his threads might give you some insight on the subject.

 

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There are also some very good theories from other posters, so I advice you to not skip them.