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What do you think caused the veil tears?


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#51
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Can I be crude and suggest the Maker had a big bowl of beans...

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Darn, beat me to it...  My first theory is that the maker is back and he is pissed!  (least of my theories, but had to throw it out there)

 

I dont think morrigan or flemeth is involved truly, they arent the type to get directly involved like that...  If they had any involvement it was giving the one responsible the tools to do it.

 

Personally the strongest theory i have seen is the band of three one, in their messages they said that the veil had been forcibly weakend in kirkwall to a point to where even non mages could converse with spirits and demons, does this not indicate a veil tear?

 

Of course it would require magic on an astronomical level compared to the other small tears we encounter throughout origins and da2, so probably red lyrium is involved....

 

My last theory has to do with the much overlooked gray wardens, they were up to something in the old thaig in da2....  Its probably not them, but they are growing increasingly more suspicous the more i think about it



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I have no idea.

 

I think Red Lyrium is a strong suspect, but at the same time the fact that Red Templars exist and appear to use the stuff could make that possibility questionable. They are crazy Templars, but I assume they still hate mages and fear the Fade and spirits that reside in it, just in an even more extreme/militant way than normal Templars. So it would be weird for them to utilize the very substance responsible for threatening all of existence.

 

Mages as well are another good possibility. Many of them from all over, Circle and Apostate, are gathered at Andoral's Reach and the Tempalers/Seekers are planning to attack them, such a huge battle between those forces could possibly result in some catastrophic stuff.

 

DA Asunder and Pharamond's research as well could be a culprit. The act of reconnecting a Tranquil to the Fade could be a possible suspect in causing some unexpected results with regard to the rest of the world. Attempts to further explore his research could turn out poorly.

 

Old Tevinter magic, or the likes of the Architect and Corypheus are possible as well. While neither of those two may be the cause, there were several other Magisters who entered the Golden City and there's no reason another Darkspawn couldn't also gain freedom like the Architect.



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What do you think caused the veil tears?
Bioware did, and it is not just my opinion, it is a fact.

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I think it was a lot of wild sex, and the birth of Slaanesh. 


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What do you think caused the veil tears?
Bioware did, and it is not just my opinion, it is a fact.

 

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Swooping.

Swooping caused the veil tears.

Too much swooping.

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The mages probably boast the lion's share of the blame. 

 

Almost anything worldbreaking in Thedas can be comfortably placed at their accursed feet. 



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The mages probably boast the lion's share of the blame. 

 

Almost anything worldbreaking in Thedas can be comfortably placed at their accursed feet. 

 

The sad thing is?

 

That really isn't even an exaggeration.

 

Two out Three threats are the result of magic or mages themselves.


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I imagine it has something to do with the Venatori (spelling?), whoever they are.

 
Vēnātor (n) (Lat.) - "hunter"

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I find the architect being a magister to be...boring.  Although were all the magisters stated to be male?  Perhaps a female became a broodmother and he's one of hers.

 

As for who caused the veil tear, I believe we're supposed to get an actual villain who tore them on purpose.  Wonder if it's someone we've met before.  If it's Corypheus, I wonder how they're going to handle not having the Legacy DLC pack?  The keep fixes a lot, but there's probably still an option for those who chose not to buy it, play it, or whatever.  My guess is that the warden-mage has Corypheus, since Hawke wasn't there to stop her.



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It's pretty certain, I think, that Corypheus would have gotten out regardless if Hawke showed up. It's strongly implied he escapes possessing a warden, regardless. I would say the way it's written implies they really wanted the character back. Why else would they make it so he always escapes? Not necessarily saying it's because he's the main villain, but I'd be surprised if we never heard from him again. Why would they basically give him plot armor if there wasn't something planned down the line for him?



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It's pretty certain, I think, that Corypheus would have gotten out if Hawke showed up. It's strongly implied he escapes possessing a warden, regardless. I would say the way it's written implies they really wanted the character back. Why else would they make it so he always escapes? Not necessarily saying it's because he's the main villain, but I'd be surprised if we never heard from him again. Why would they basically give him plot armor if there wasn't something planned down the line for him?

That's what I think.  I don't know if he'd want the veil torn, but he probably doesn't want to set up on a farm with a wife and kids, either. 

 

On the other hand, I'm still waiting to see what they do with the intelligent, talking darkspawn now that they've brought that up...



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That's what I think.  I don't know if he'd want the veil torn, but he probably doesn't want to set up on a farm with a wife and kids, either. 

 

On the other hand, I'm still waiting to see what they do with the intelligent, talking darkspawn now that they've brought that up...

Make them allies of course. Wouldn't that be funny.



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That's what I think.  I don't know if he'd want the veil torn, but he probably doesn't want to set up on a farm with a wife and kids, either. 

 

On the other hand, I'm still waiting to see what they do with the intelligent, talking darkspawn now that they've brought that up...

It seems like it's implied by Nathaniel in DA2 that they're working in some capacity with the wardens. Hopefully we'll get more news on it in Inquisition. It's an interesting plot. I wish DA2 would have had a lot more perspective on other factions besides just mage/templar, honestly. Was a little bit of a let down in that area. 



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They seem to be working together whether or not one kills the architect.

 

The messenger seems aperfect companion and Armas suggests they can choose not to infect.



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The mages probably boast the lion's share of the blame. 

 

Almost anything worldbreaking in Thedas can be comfortably placed at their accursed feet. 

Except, you know, they didn't actually create the taint. They were victims as much as the rest of the world.



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The Chantry's depiction of the events leading up to the Blight aren't even confirmed. It's literally just one theory. We can't really use a scenario as evidence without first proving the scenario is what actually occurred. 



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I don't know think that they are the overall bad right now, but based off what we know, I think the dalish get manipulated into causing the veil tears.  They are the only ones that I am currently aware of that have something that could cause such an event.

 

I may be mistaken and probably am, but currently the evidence points me in that direction.



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Clearly the DA universe is trying to kill itself after being subjected to DA2


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I don't know think that they are the overall bad right now, but based off what we know, I think the dalish get manipulated into causing the veil tears.  They are the only ones that I am currently aware of that have something that could cause such an event.

 

I may be mistaken and probably am, but currently the evidence points me in that direction.

What do you think they have that could do it? Do you mean the Eluvian, or something at Arlathan? 



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What do you think they have that could do it? Do you mean the Eluvian, or something at Arlathan? 

Yeah the Eluvians.  We know they had great power before the destruction of Arlathan and Morrigan say that hers takes her beyond the Fade I believe, so they definitely have the potential to rip holes in the walls between worlds.


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Yeah the Eluvians.  We know they had great power before the destruction of Arlathan and Morrigan say that hers takes her beyond the Fade I believe, so they definitely have the potential to rip holes in the walls between worlds.

Yeah, I believed the Eluvian might have something to do with it, too. I just wonder if it's likely the Dalish are the ones using them, because it seemed like they knew almost nothing about them. Morrigan definitely knew more, but in Witch Hunt even Finn, a random, human circle mage, seemed to know more about them than the Dalish.



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Yeah, I believed the Eluvian might have something to do with it, too. I just wonder if it's likely the Dalish are the ones using them, because it seemed like they knew almost nothing about them. Morrigan definitely knew more, but in Witch Hunt even Finn, a random, human circle mage, seemed to know more about them than the Dalish.

My suspicions have to do with the Dalish being give incorrect information or in their experimentation something goes wrong. Of course, it is also possible the dalish just took the opportunity to blow up a vast segment of the templars and chantry.



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My suspicions have to do with the Dalish being give incorrect information or in their experimentation something goes wrong. Of course, it is also possible the dalish just took the opportunity to blow up a vast segment of the templars and chantry.

I think Lob might quit if it's the Dalish's fault.

 

It'd be interesting if the main villain was a Forgotten One, but I tend to think that the Forgotten Ones are the Old Gods of Tevinter.