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[Squeaker Squeak]

You can't summon anything in the fade!   How could bioware design an entire specialization that is useless in a particular part of the game?  My character is designed to have a support role.  It just ruined the game for me.  I think I have to start over.  I don't think I have enough healing potions to get through the fade.  Very disappointing!

[Mouton_Alpha]

Uh, you mean the Fade part in the Circle Tower? You do realize that you gain significant powers there? No need to use your normal skills, really.

[RangerSG]

Even as a mage with plenty of combat spells, you spend at least as much time in alternate form as you do in your own there.

[Kiwiya]

The burning man is powerful enough to take out the mages asunder and templar's nightmare all on its own.

Otherwise, the mouse can stealth, which is more useful than you might think.

[Treason1]

Psh, I find that the Fade playthrough is much easier with a Rogue, than any other class, including a tripped out Mage.



Learn to switch between forms. As was noted, Burning Man form is like injecting steroids into your Rogue.

[mosspit]

I agree with Kiwiya and Treason. I played an almost min/max cun dw rogue through fade (went straight there after Lothering). Combat is crazy until I got Burning Man. In comparison to my early rogue, Burning Man has uncomparable atk and dmg.
Point to note, he also has excellent def. Try getting into Burning mode and have a few white mob atk it. You will be surprised at how many atks he will dodge even on nightmare difficulty.

Modifié par mosspit, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[Creature 1]

mosspit wrote...
In comparison to my early rogue, Burning Man has uncomparable atk and dmg.
Point to note, he also has excellent def.

Additionally, he can fireball himself and get up unscorched. 

[QuiTamGogh]

Yeah -- unlocking any of the three combat forms in the Fade means that you basically just beat the Fade. Except there's about 3 more hours of Fade.

[mosspit]

QuiTamGogh wrote...

Yeah -- unlocking any of the three combat forms in the Fade means that you basically just beat the Fade. Except there's about 3 more hours of Fade.

Not exactly for gimped char.
Against area bosses, acrane mage has a strong opener but usually needs to form change into a melee to captilize on the down time crushing prison brings. Burning Man has good atk speed, dmg and hit rate to do the necessary dmg.
Against mob, golem and burning man has nice aoe. However dispite how tanky a golem looks, he actually cant absorb much dmg.
I sound bias towards Burning Man. But combat-wise with a gimped char, I find I can easily miss out on golem form. Mage form is situational and i run around in Burning form when i can.

[chessnut0]

The inability to summon a pet in the Fade has not been a problem for my ranger/archer. The first battle with the other wardens is a bit tricky, but once you have the alternate forms they will usually provide you with what is required to complete the rest of the Fade.



There are lyrium deposits scattered throughout the fade that restore your health and stamina or mana. Unfortunately they are next to useless because you cannot click on them while in combat, and once combat is over your health/stamina/mana regenerates on its own anyway. At least that's how it is with the PS3 version. They really should patch it so that you can click on the lyrium while in combat. Otherwise they are just useless decorative stones.

[QuiTamGogh]

chessnut0 wrote...

The inability to summon a pet in the Fade has not been a problem for my ranger/archer. The first battle with the other wardens is a bit tricky, but once you have the alternate forms they will usually provide you with what is required to complete the rest of the Fade.

There are lyrium deposits scattered throughout the fade that restore your health and stamina or mana. Unfortunately they are next to useless because you cannot click on them while in combat, and once combat is over your health/stamina/mana regenerates on its own anyway. At least that's how it is with the PS3 version. They really should patch it so that you can click on the lyrium while in combat. Otherwise they are just useless decorative stones.

That must be PS3 only -- you definitely can on 360.

[Lekwid]

The fade provides you with enough ressources to get through it regardless of your build. I don't think Bioware is to blame here.

[Breydel]

I fully agree with the OP. I'm doing the fade on my second run through (both normal difficulty) and I am really struggling on my ranger now. My archery shots seem to miss more than they hit the demons. On my previous build (shield warrior) it was a lot easier.



For example I went through 2 health bars (from full to almost dead, used a lyrium deposit and again from full to almost dead) just fighting a 1 on 1 with a plain white demon. Heck I even tried to use melee weapons coated in poison but as a full archery specced rogue it just doesn't work.



Had I known the Fade would so tremendeously harder on a ranger than a warrior I would have carried more health pots with me. Now it's just going to be a reload nightmare...

[Awaitingdoom]

chessnut0 wrote...

The inability to summon a pet in the Fade has not been a problem for my ranger/archer. The first battle with the other wardens is a bit tricky, but once you have the alternate forms they will usually provide you with what is required to complete the rest of the Fade.

There are lyrium deposits scattered throughout the fade that restore your health and stamina or mana. Unfortunately they are next to useless because you cannot click on them while in combat, and once combat is over your health/stamina/mana regenerates on its own anyway. At least that's how it is with the PS3 version. They really should patch it so that you can click on the lyrium while in combat. Otherwise they are just useless decorative stones.

You can use the lyrium deposits while in combat on ps3...  Just have to target them with you radial menu.

Modifié par Awaitingdoom, 24 janvier 2010 - 07:09 .

[NinjaWJ]

i just hate the fade period. I think its a lot easier to get through as a mage than anything else but ive never played as a rogue in the fade before.

[Breydel]

Ok I finished the part in the fade now on my ranger. It's easy once you get the burning man and golem shapeshifts of course, but getting to them can be very tricky. Here are some tips on fighting as a ranger without any shapeshifts yet :



1) Use bombs once you meet 2 or more enemies, they do big area damage.

2) Fight near the lyrium deposits, even pull back several rooms to use another one if you latest one ran dry (also be aware they can be reused again after +/- 1 minute).

3) Focus on getting the burning man first (fits to the right on the fade map, after that continue clockwise and get the golem.

[EzraMichael]

You really don't need your reg. form in the fade. It's geared more toward a type of mini-game feel where you play as different types of spirits. Everyone loves the burning man, but I got the Arcane Horror form first and spent most of my time kicking tail with spirit cage and winter's grasp, loved it!

[SuperMedbh]

I just finished the Fade with a ranger/archer, and I have to agree-- my mage and DW rogue had an easier time of it. The simple rage demons in the raw fade forced me to reload the first time. In contrast, my mage was able to take out fair much half the Fade with cone of cold followed by stonefist. The main thing that saved my ranger was knowing where to get the burning man form straight away this time.



But then again, with my wolf, it probably would have been trivial. Doggie tanks, ranger shoots, next please.

[EzraMichael]

I don't get why everyone is taking on the fade in their regular form?

[dkjestrup]

chessnut0 wrote...

The inability to summon a pet in the Fade has not been a problem for my ranger/archer. The first battle with the other wardens is a bit tricky, but once you have the alternate forms they will usually provide you with what is required to complete the rest of the Fade.

There are lyrium deposits scattered throughout the fade that restore your health and stamina or mana. Unfortunately they are next to useless because you cannot click on them while in combat, and once combat is over your health/stamina/mana regenerates on its own anyway. At least that's how it is with the PS3 version. They really should patch it so that you can click on the lyrium while in combat. Otherwise they are just useless decorative stones.

Actually, you can. I play on PS3 too, no problems for me. You can't target it normally. Stand on top of it, open the radial menu, look down, and you should be able to use it.

[SuperMedbh]

EzraMichael wrote...

I don't get why everyone is taking on the fade in their regular form?

Not exactly--  it's that you have to get through a handful of encounters before you get to the fade forms.  And if it's the first run, you might flail around a bit before finding them (I certainly did).

[Lord Phoebus]

I found as a mage I didn't need any of the forms, except to get around, I was stronger as a mage. As a warrior or a rogue they were more useful.

As an archer without any spec bonuses, since you can't summon a pet, you're going to have a hard time, but then again you picked about the weakest character you could make in this game so you're going to be having a hard time regardless (this is why class balance is important in a SP game). I would switch to dagger and shield until you get the forms. Archery is horrible when you don't have allies to keep the enemies off of you. You might be able to play this one like a NWN HiPS sniper if you don't have the forms (hit your enemy, run until you can stealth, then hide, reposition and hit again), of course you'll need combat stealth to execute that tactic.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 25 janvier 2010 - 03:33 .

[beancounter501]

I always found that the forms are the key to the fade. If anything I was looking for the golem/burning man form after finishing the fade!

[Marso40]

On my first playthrough, the Fade was kicking my a-- until I suddenly noticed all those cool spells and abilities sitting down there in my task bar when I would change forms. For some reason I didn't twig to it right away. Talk about needing a clue!!



After that it seemed like a breeze.

[Wompoo]

If you are a Dwarf in the fade, so sad to bad, you can forget about lyrium deposits completely (bring lots of pots). Form switching is the key and a lot of fun.