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[wolfhowwl]

https://archive.fool...mplars"/page/3/

 

Scroll to the bottom, check the dates on the posts.

[FireAndBlood]

https://archive.fool...mplars"/page/3/

 

Scroll to the bottom, check the dates on the posts.

Well what do you know.

 

Still, Celene does not have a brother so it's not completely accurate.

[Baka-no-Neko]

This sounds rather remeniscant of ME3 -> red, blue, gold? (ME: green) Hmm, taking a gram or two of salt and passing this by unless devs say otherwise.

[Grieving Natashina]

https://archive.fool...mplars"/page/3/

 

Scroll to the bottom, check the dates on the posts.

Um, and?  Sorry, but I don't count "GUYS THAT GUY WAS LEGIT!" as Word of God.  For one, this was a "leak" by some anonymous poster, which could be anyone from someone that works at BioWare to the homeless guy that has an old laptop and WI-FI.  For another, even if some of this is true, that doesn't mean things have remained the same since then.  Some of the original ideas could come have come from reading Asunder as well as other EU. Also, the organization names sound way too hooky for BioWare.  In fact, they sound like someone's fan fiction.

 

This is also the first I've heard about such "spoilers" and I've been on the board for several months.   I'm not going to take some the word of some anonymous poster on 4chan's word for it.  If you wish to speculate, have at it and have fun!  I'm treating it like every other rumor I've heard on the forums for now and not taking it seriously.

 

Oh and FireAndBlood is right, by the way.  I have WoT and I've got the wiki pulled up.  Unless it's some sort of BS "surprise twist," Celene is an only child.

[azarhal]

Hold on, per what I have read of the Masked Empire, I'm pretty damn sure Celene was an only child, so I'm unsure about the Red Fist "spoiler"

The entire leak doesn't mesh with Masked Empire, the lore and what we learned about Vivienne.

 

The book and lore tell use that Celene is an only child.

Spoiler

Masked Empire mention that the leader of the Orlesian military is Gaspard the Chalon (her cousin), the very guy who caused the civil war.

We also know that the Imperial court mage is Vivienne.

 

Also, there will be no Orlais/Ferelden war as long as Orlais is in a civil war itself. That makes no sense.

[Grieving Natashina]

The entire leak doesn't mesh with Masked Empire, the lore and what we learned about Vivienne.

 

The book and lore tell use that Celene is an only child.

Spoiler

Masked Empire mention that the leader of the Orlesian military is Gaspard the Chalon (her cousin), the very guy who caused the civil war.

We also know that the Imperial court mage is Vivienne.

 

Also, there will be no Orlais/Ferelden war as long as Orlais is in a civil war itself. That makes no sense.

I was thinking the exact same thing.  

 

This isn't directed at you MisterJB (nor anyone else in this thread,) this is at the person on 4chan that posted that "leak:"

 

[The Elder King]

Um, and?  Sorry, but I don't count "GUYS THAT GUY WAS LEGIT!" as Word of God.  For one, this was a "leak" by some anonymous poster, which could be anyone from someone that works at BioWare to the homeless guy that has an old laptop and WI-FI.  For another, even if some of this is true, that doesn't mean things have remained the same since then.  Some of the original ideas could come have come from reading Asunder as well as other EU. Also, the organization names sound way too hooky for BioWare.  In fact, they sound like someone's fan fiction.
 
This is also the first I've heard about such "spoilers" and I've been on the board for several months.   I'm not going to take some the word of some anonymous poster on 4chan's word for it.  If you wish to speculate, have at it and have fun!  I'm treating it like every other rumor I've heard on the forums for now and not taking it seriously.
 
Oh and FireAndBlood is right, by the way.  I have WoT and I've got the wiki pulled up.  Unless it's some sort of BS "surprise twist," Celene is an only child.

To be fair, the first time this leak came up on BSN was after the PAX demo last year. I remember discussing about it with MisterJB.

I'm not going to discuss the points I have discussed last time.
On the new ones, Solas isn't confirmed at all as an elven ambassador. I anything, his short description would lead me to think the opposite, other than (The Masked Empire spoiler)

Spoiler

I don't think there'll be an elven ambassador to begin with. CE aren't rebelling and the dalish might not be interested in alliances with Orlais, based on what happens in the book. And if that's the case the leak blatantly copied Asunder's info and not actual ones.
And Celene doesn't have a brother.

; plus, we know that the game isn't set only in Orlais and Ferelden (which was previously hinted by Bioware, and the plot was kind of easy to create based on the 2012 survey leak.
Beside, even as placeholder I doubt Bioware would nominate two groups (opposite even) 'Reds'.
Regardless of this (and the other points I made), I wouldn't the possibility that SOME info are true, expecially those about the REd templars (though it wasn't that difficult to possibly came up with after DA2).

[wolfhowwl]

Um, and? 

 

I was providing a link to the source for FireAndBlood so he would know that those posts were made on that date and not just falsified after the PAX demo.

[CuriousArtemis]

 

This is also the first I've heard about such "spoilers" and I've been on the board for several months. 

 

Agree with you not to take this seriously, but this "leak" has been around for months, perhaps even more than a year. Can't remember when we first discussed it. 

[FireAndBlood]

I was providing a link to the source for FireAndBlood so he would know that those posts were made on that date and not just falsified after the PAX demo.

Thanks for the link by the way.

 

On topic the only thing the "leak" accurately predicted was the Red Templar name. We knew about the tear in the veil from the survey leak and like I mentioned before Celene does not have a brother. Also since Orlais is in a civil war that means the whole starting a war between Ferelden and Orlais is highly unlikely.

[EmissaryofLies]

That's that sh*t I don't like. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I was providing a link to the source for FireAndBlood so he would know that those posts were made on that date and not just falsified after the PAX demo.

Ah, thank you.  

 

Agree with you not to take this seriously, but this "leak" has been around for months, perhaps even more than a year. Can't remember when we first discussed it. 

Hmm, fair enough.  First time I'd seen it.

[kukumburr]

I haven't seen this leak before but most of the stuff on there sounds reasonable to me. There's not really that much there though so I'm not sure it's really that big of a deal. The Red Templars trying to start a war between Orlais and Ferelden doesn't sound that far-fetched, in fact I thought that might be part of the reason for the Orlesian civil war in the first place considering what Alistair says in DA2 about some Orlesians wanting to get their lost province back. And the three organizations thing was basically confirmed in the demo wasn't it? The whole military/espionage/commerce choice? Also, the "main bad guy" tearing open the veil would go along with Sandal's DA2 prophecy ("One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.")

 

As far as the empress's brother goes, maybe they meant her cousin? As in Gaspard? I believe he's mentioned as being a leader of chevaliers. And I don't see why the elven ambassador that's mentioned would necessarily be Solas, or any of our other potential companions. I also think the mention of Morrigan as "court mage" is probably off (I doubt apostates can be official court mages), but she's obviously at some Orlesian court.

 

So I don't know. If this came out before the demo then it does seem like it could have been a leak, but not a very substantial one. Some things could have been guessed at from DA2 information though. Either way I don't see anything there that's particularly surprising, whether it's true or not.

[silentspec111]

The only part of the leak I am not okay with and badly wish isnt true is the name of the three groups. Sounds way too much like someone's fan-fiction Bioware has better standard if this leak is true i am hoping they will come up with better names or no names at all and will have these people or groups be a part of the Inquisition itself. Why make more groups and make the water and story more muddled.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I feel like it might just be some lucky guesses at this point. The information is from a really unreliable source.

[JakeLeTDK]

At this point, I think we can only believe info that are released / confirmed by BioWare themselves. Anything else (leak and the like) are questionable at best imo.

[Blooddrunk1004]

"Main guy is trying to literally tear his way into the Black City in hopes of becoming god"

 

Sounds like Corypheus.

Also i wouldn't be surprised if this was true since DA2, ME3 and a lot DLC leaks that appeared were all accurate.

[The Elder King]

"Main guy is trying to literally tear his way into the Black City in hopes of becoming god"
 
Sounds like Corypheus.
Also i wouldn't be surprised if this was true since DA2, ME3 and a lot DLC leaks that appeared were all accurate.

This leak isn't as accurate though.

[Dean_the_Young]

"Main guy is trying to literally tear his way into the Black City in hopes of becoming god"

 

Sounds like Corypheus.

Also i wouldn't be surprised if this was true since DA2, ME3 and a lot DLC leaks that appeared were all accurate.

 

Actually, most of the claimed leaks of this sort for ME3 (an anonymous post somewhere summarizing the plot) were significantly off or so vague that they could have been fit onto anything. It was only the source code leaks that went into detail- and many of those details were significantly changed or completely dropped over the iterations of development.

[azarhal]

I haven't seen this leak before but most of the stuff on there sounds reasonable to me. There's not really that much there though so I'm not sure it's really that big of a deal. The Red Templars trying to start a war between Orlais and Ferelden doesn't sound that far-fetched, in fact I thought that might be part of the reason for the Orlesian civil war in the first place considering what Alistair says in DA2 about some Orlesians wanting to get their lost province back. And the three organizations thing was basically confirmed in the demo wasn't it? The whole military/espionage/commerce choice? Also, the "main bad guy" tearing open the veil would go along with Sandal's DA2 prophecy ("One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.")

 

What Alistair is talking about in DA2 are just rumors. We even know the rumors are true, because that is what Gaspard want to do. The rumors do not have any chance of going anywhere while Orlais is backstabbing itself and have no army to invade Ferelden. This leak is based on stuff extrapolated from DAO and DA2 while ignoring the books and lore.

 

It's like someone had a sneak peak at the PAX demo without context and made lots and lots of assumptions...

[Ieldra]

Hmm...rating the statements by plausibility, I'd say:

Very plausible:
(1) Leliana in some sort of advisory role. I would be extremely surprised if the woman who fits her description in the war meeting concept art wasn't actually her.
(2) Morrigan as a resident mage at the Orlesian court. The official material gives that impression. Could be temporary though.
(3) Locations. Those were confirmed.

Somewhat plausible:
(1) The Orlesian ball as an event to meet possible allies. It wasn't so long ago when David Gaider said he didn't know if they'd do a ball yet, even if he wished they did.
(2) Three factions you can ask help from. The names sound like placeholders, but the concept is well in line with Bioware's formula. Not a big revelation though.

Can go either way:
(1) The main reason for the Veil tears. It appears to me someone who can create effects that have the Veil tears as a side effect, wouldn't have a problem getting into the Black City in the first place. The main objective "get into the City to become a god" is well-grounded in DA lore, and I wouldn't mind it and hope we'll get to enter the Black City ourselves. The problem is connecting this with the Veil tears.

Somewhat implausible:
(2) Everything about the main antagonist and the role of the Red templars. I'd be surprised if they were connected as the post suggests. I'd rather think the Red templars are extremist templars and are being manipulated by the Big Bad, just as the Wardens are (and the latter is my addition to the plot predictions).

The impression I get from the whole "leak" is that it's vague enough in those parts not already very plausible from what was known when it was published that it could be based on guesswork. Also it makes connections which are possible but not altogether plausible from my POV. Lastly, while from my limited knowledge of game development it may have already been too late to change the structure of the story early in 2013, a lot of content can change in the time left that wouldn't affect that structure. In the end, those statements not already pretty obvious are not better than any guesswork we could come up with here on the forums. Anyway, the main plot-related stuff is generic enough to not be a big deal.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Actually, most of the claimed leaks of this sort for ME3 (an anonymous post somewhere summarizing the plot) were significantly off or so vague that they could have been fit onto anything. It was only the source code leaks that went into detail- and many of those details were significantly changed or completely dropped over the iterations of development.

The whole ME3 source code plot leak was accurate. I even remember joining the spoiler group, discussing the story, months before the game was released. Most stuff like Genophage, Geth, Rachni and the ending were spot on, they even removed some good stuff.

It was almost the same with DA2, i heard "Anders blows Chantry" spoiler like 3 months before the game was released, it was hillarious.

 

Trust me i never believe in leaks, but this is keep happening over and over with every BW game.

[DontWakeTheBear]

Random theory of the month: Would it be interesting if the leader of the Red Templars turns out to be...Meredith? Only, you know, as a profane.

   

[Gileadan]

The only part of the leak I am not okay with and badly wish isnt true is the name of the three groups. Sounds way too much like someone's fan-fiction Bioware has better standard if this leak is true i am hoping they will come up with better names or no names at all and will have these people or groups be a part of the Inquisition itself. Why make more groups and make the water and story more muddled.

To me it sounds like those three factions considerately chose an easily identifiable symbol (each in a different color even) just in case more conversation icons would be needed.

[Eagle Pusuit]

I would take this with a major grain of salt. It was out before the whole game was produced. It's probably an early synopsis or something. The game may or may not have had significant revisions in the meantime.