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[GVulture]

Hmm...rating the statements by plausibility, I'd say:

Very plausible:
(1) Leliana in some sort of advisory role. I would be extremely surprised if the woman who fits her description in the war meeting concept art wasn't actually her.
(2) Morrigan as a resident mage at the Orlesian court. The official material gives that impression. Could be temporary though.
(3) Locations. Those were confirmed.

Somewhat plausible:
(1) The Orlesian ball as an event to meet possible allies. It wasn't so long ago when David Gaider said he didn't know if they'd do a ball yet, even if he wished they did.
(2) Three factions you can ask help from. The names sound like placeholders, but the concept is well in line with Bioware's formula. Not a big revelation though.

Can go either way:
(1) The main reason for the Veil tears. It appears to me someone who can create effects that have the Veil tears as a side effect, wouldn't have a problem getting into the Black City in the first place. The main objective "get into the City to become a god" is well-grounded in DA lore, and I wouldn't mind it and hope we'll get to enter the Black City ourselves. The problem is connecting this with the Veil tears.

Somewhat implausible:
(2) Everything about the main antagonist and the role of the Red templars. I'd be surprised if they were connected as the post suggests. I'd rather think the Red templars are extremist templars and are being manipulated by the Big Bad, just as the Wardens are (and the latter is my addition to the plot predictions).

The impression I get from the whole "leak" is that it's vague enough in those parts not already very plausible from what was known when it was published that it could be based on guesswork. Also it makes connections which are possible but not altogether plausible from my POV. Lastly, while from my limited knowledge of game development it may have already been too late to change the structure of the story early in 2013, a lot of content can change in the time left that wouldn't affect that structure. In the end, those statements not already pretty obvious are not better than any guesswork we could come up with here on the forums. Anyway, the main plot-related stuff is generic enough to not be a big deal.

If I could picture anyone trying to break into the Black City to become a God, it'd be Flemeth.

 

It fits in with her being around to soak up blood magic energy from all the turmoil in Kirkwall AND all the horrified warnings we get from Morrigan in the Witch Hunt DLC.

[TKavatar]

Screen shots can be easily faked. And considering this came from the Witcher forums I'd take this with a mountain of salt.

Besides its funny how this leak came directly after the Pax demo and not earlier. No I dont buy it.

[wolfhowwl]

Make of those posts what you will but they were in fact made on February and May 2013 long before the PAX demo. See the link I posted on the second page of this thread.

[Lotion Soronarr]

If this turns out true I'll be very much dissapoint.

 

Red Templars trying to tear open the veil and storm the Black City? And do the exact same thing the hated magisters did?

[azarhal]

Make of those posts what you will but they were in fact made on February and May 2013 long before the PAX demo. See the link I posted on the second page of this thread.

 

They might have been made back then, but it doesn't change that there are things wrong in them like the Celene's do not have a brother (she is a only child), Morrigan is not the Imperial Court Mage (Vivienne has the job and no way Celene magical adviser is going to be an known apostate) and the game is not only in Orlais and Ferelden but include Nevarra and some part of the Free Marches.

 

The leak even ignore things leaked in the Fall 2012 marketing survey (Orlais civil war and the mage/templar war).

[wcholcombe]

1) We know there is a ball. Some aspects of this could concievably be incorporated.

2) Celene's brother has obviously been morphed into Gaspard

3) Viviene is Enchanter to the Imperial Court, but that doesn't necessarily prevent Morrigan from being Court Mage or just direct advisor to Celene who knows.

4) Could Gaspard and Celene have made up within the game?  Possible, considering Vivienne is hosting a ball for at a Duke's estate. Granted that doesn't have to be Gaspard-Grand Duke- but it could be.  It would be just like the Orlesians to have a Ball in the middle of a Civil War with the leaders of both sides in attendance.

5) The Ferelden/Orlais war seems to have been replaced by the Orlesian Civil War and blight recovery for Ferelden, although there still could be elements of this to create more confusion.

[wcholcombe]

Somewhat implausible:
(2) Everything about the main antagonist and the role of the Red templars. I'd be surprised if they were connected as the post suggests. I'd rather think the Red templars are extremist templars and are being manipulated by the Big Bad, just as the Wardens are (and the latter is my addition to the plot predictions).

 

It is entirely plausible that the Red Templars are being manipulated by the antagonists.  Lots of stuff indicates that the events of Kirkwall, the Mage Templar war, and possibly the orelsian civil war were manipulated events by the antagonists.

 

On Kirkwall-Celene sent seekers to investigate because she and others believed that the events were being manipulated by an outside agency.

[The Elder King]

Gaspard was mentioned in Asunder in 2011. His role was probably already defined in 2013, when the leak was posted. The leak should be very old to nominate Celene's brother and not Gaspard, in which case I'd question its accuracy.

[azarhal]

5) The Ferelden/Orlais war seems to have been replaced by the Orlesian Civil War and blight recovery for Ferelden, although there still could be elements of this to create more confusion.

 

We know since December 2011 (Asunder release) that Orlais is entering a civil war in 9:40. Even the survey leak of 2012 mention the Orlesian civil war. There was no narrative change here.

[wcholcombe]

We know when the leak was posted, we don't actually know how old the info is.  Plus, the vagueness of the information itself could be to prevent making connections, or Celene and Gaspard may both be dead....

[The Elder King]

We know when the leak was posted, we don't actually know how old the info is.  Plus, the vagueness of the information itself could be to prevent making connections, or Celene and Gaspard may both be dead....

If it's really old, though, I'd question a lot its accuracy.

[wcholcombe]

If it's really old, though, I'd question a lot its accuracy.

That was my point above. There are two ways to make sense of said leak- It is very old and plot elements have changed dramatically, or plot elements change dramatically during the game-  ie a new impress who has a brother.

[Wolfen09]

The whole templar thing doesnt fit real well into the confirmed story for me, so im calling bs on some of this....  a small portion does sound plausible though, cause if you think about it, we know you can turn captured settlements into military forts, trading hubs, espionage hubs etc. which would make your golden keys, red fist, and purple crows factions stronger and be a way to upgrade them...  I believe there was also a thing about using the inquisition to lay siege to other places, these factions would open up different ways to do this, 1 red fist assault, 2 purple crows sneak in assassinate, 3 golden keys bribe...  it fits really well to me

[Grieving Natashina]

Edit: *A poster revealed information about Inquisition from the OXM magazine that he purchased in Singapore.* This has been proven legit via Gaider holding up the May Issue of OXM on twitter.  Here's some more accurate information to chew on:

 

http://forum.bioware...sition-preview/

 

Note: There is a few misconceptions and errors in the article, including "Morrigan possibly returning as a party member," which we all know isn't true.  Still, it's better than debating about why some old leak from 4chan is fake.

[wcholcombe]

This has been proven legit via Gaider holding up the May Issue of OXM on twitter.  Here's some more accurate information to chew on:

 

http://forum.bioware...sition-preview/

 

Note: There is a few misconceptions and errors in the article, including "Morrigan possibly returning as a party member," which we all know isn't true.  Still, it's better than debating about why some old leak from 4chan is fake.

Some of it has been proven, but I still don't see how some of the info in the leak can jar with what we know of the plot and the world that exists.

[Grieving Natashina]

Some of it has been proven, but I still don't see how some of the info in the leak can jar with what we know of the plot and the world that exists.

I'd ignore the 4chan leak for now.  Seriously, that's a rather dated leak and not worth debating over.  The magazine, on the other hand, is very legitimate.  Read the OP in that thread, and let's just let this one die.  Old leak is old and it's time to look at the new information, the one that is supported by Gaider.  

[wcholcombe]

I'd ignore the 4chan leak for now.  Seriously, that's a rather dated leak and not worth debating over.  The magazine, on the other hand, is very legitimate.  Read the OP in that thread, and let's just let this one die.  Old leak is old and it's time to look at the new information, the one that is supported by Gaider.  

I read it. The way you posted sounded like you were saying the leak was confirmed.

[Grieving Natashina]

I read it. The way you posted sounded like you were saying the leak was confirmed.

Whoops, I'll edit it now. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I wanted to add this, so folks know what I'm talking about.  This will be my last post in here.

 

[Vulpe]

The following info is a spoiler from The Masked Empire. You have been warned.
 

Spoiler

Gaspard is Celene's cousin. In the leak we are said that we can speak with Celene for monetary support, with an elven ambassador or with her cousin for monetary support. I think this can be further used as proof that the leak might be accurate when it comes to certain aspects from the game.

[FireAndBlood]

The following info is a spoiler from The Masked Empire. You have been warned.
 

Spoiler

Gaspard is Celene's cousin. In the leak we are said that we can speak with Celene for monetary support, with an elven ambassador or with her cousin for monetary support. I think this can be further used as proof that the leak might be accurate when it comes to certain aspects from the game.

The leak mentioned a brother not a cousin, and there is no elven ambassador.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Celene doesn't have a brother and the very idea of Elven nobility would be scandalous, so I think the validity of much in the leak is questionable.

[caradoc2000]

Nah, no Purple Crows. I prefer Pink Elephants.

[Vulpe]

The leak mentioned a brother not a cousin, and there is no elven ambassador.

 

It would be easy to make a confusion between a cousin and a brother. What I wanted to point out was the family conection that it still present. While it isn't an indubitable claim, I think it shows that some aspects from the leak might be accurate to a certain degree, but it also points out that some things might haave changed.

[azarhal]

It would be easy to make a confusion between a cousin and a brother. What I wanted to point out was the family conection that it still present. While it isn't an indubitable claim, I think it shows that some aspects from the leak might be accurate to a certain degree, but it also points out that some things might haave changed.

 

Whoever wrote that leak totally ignored the events mentioned in Asunder that released in Dec 2011 (leak was made in Fed 2013) and that were confirmed in Masked Empire: Orlais is in a civil war between Celene and Gaspard.

 

It's look way more like someone heard a few buzz words (Red Templar, Morrigan, advisors) about what was going to be in the game and made all sort of crap up to pad it.