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[Kiwiya]

Not sure if this is the right forum, but... eh.

It's pretty clear that they aren't allowed to *stay* with their families, and that a good deal of the families probably wouldn't even keep them. But there's surely at least one good family in Ferelden that doesn't want to completely abandon their abomination child to the mercy of the chantry? Isolde and Eamon?

So I was wondering. Are mundanes allowed in the Circle Tower? Say, to visit their kids? Could apprentices get mail from their families or something? Could full mages go visit their family while out doing circle business? Templars get to stay in contact with *their* families.
It just feels like someone, somewhere in the world would have a problem with the government taking kids away and hiding them from their parents forever and ever.

Modifié par Kiwiya, 22 janvier 2010 - 04:02 .

[frostajulie]

I doubt it is encouraged it may be forbidden but in order to acclimatize the child to its new life I would think it would be discouraged and frowned upon, plus it takes four templars to open the tower doors unless it is like prison where there are visiting days Probably not. The templars do mention they don't open the doors without good reason.

[beelzeybob]

One example of a mage that gets to stay in contact with family, is Connor: if you decide to save him... In the epilogue it tells you that after he undergoes his harrowing to become a full fledged mage, his father (Arl Eamon) convinces him to go to Tevinter to study the fade more.



But then there's the example of Wynne, who never talked to her son again.

[TheRealIncarnal]

I suspect that Conner is a different example, since his father is an extremely influential person.



From what I see in the game, I suspect that most mages don't get to talk to their families, and most mage's families aren't very interested in speaking to them.

[The Gay Warden]

Not unless their family members are consistant of a fat uncle, a retarted aunt, and a douchebag cousin. References, anyone?

[Korvayer]

The Circle Tower gets horrible cellular reception.

But, seriously, the Tranquil are free to travel about. I'm sure you could probably get one of them to pass on a message for you. Heck, they may even employ one as a mail courier.

Modifié par Korvayer, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:06 .

[tallon1982]

Consider the Circle the equivalent to the Old Jedi Order.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

That would be a good question to ask the developers. Since mages are locked up, and we see nothing that suggests continuing relationships with family members, it would be nice if one of them filled us in.



Not all mages are rejected by their families, since not all people believe mages to be horrible things. So it stands to reason there might be families out there who really want to keep in contact with their kids, maybe send them cookies and visit. Whether this is permitted, forbidden, or allowed, but actively discouraged, I don't know.

[Sarielle]

This topic has piqued my curiosity as well. Here's hoping one of the devs see it and fill us in

[Bhatair]

An interesting question, on one hand you might have this image of the Chantry as an evil conspiring dogmatic organization that would prefer mages to feel less than human (or elf...) and sever ties to their family completley.

On the other, really I don't see why it isn't a possibility.



And off topic, I like that you referred to them as 'mundanes' *flashbacks to junior high and the Magic of Xanth*

[Kiwiya]

It's what Niall calls them when he's complaining in the mage origin. I thought it was a real term? x)



That's a good point about the Tranquil, though. It definitely sounds possible? The only mages you really get to talk to about their families in the game are terrible examples anyway- Wynne, Connor and Jowan, what.

[Bhatair]

Hmm.. I never even caught that. Granted mage was my first playthrough so I was kind of running around going "oooh aaaah" at everything

[David Gaider]

It depends on the Circle in question, and how rigidly the templars there apply the rules. Typically, an apprentice is not allowed to see his family or leave the tower. An enchanter might -- although it would require them leaving the tower to do so... but that does happen, if there is business that takes them elsewhere (meaning they can finagle the First Enchanter's permission).

[ThessalyCousaland]

I would've thought it was a Jedi type situation. Where you want these powerful beings emotional deprived. So they don't have a rage black out and kill everyone when people they care about are in some kind of preventable(by their powers) danger. (See Hayden Christensen[lawl], Jowan)

[savagesparrow]

So are enchanters allowed to leave the Circle then by themselves? Or do they have to be escorted around by Templars? I love the Mage origin so much, I gobble this stuff up ^^

[Sabriana]

Forbidding family relations could backfire badly, simply because not all parents are willing to give up their children forever. Isolde can't be the only parent who fears the Chantry and the Tower more than the idea of hiding a mage-child. Especially when we consider that everyone harps on how 'pious' Isolde is..

That could lead to hidden, untrained mages, something the Chantry seems to fear.

[Korvayer]

savagesparrow wrote...

So are enchanters allowed to leave the Circle then by themselves? Or do they have to be escorted around by Templars? I love the Mage origin so much, I gobble this stuff up ^^

Enchanter Wynne of the Circle of Magi in Ferelden is permitted to journey with your party by recommendation of First Enchanter Irving -- then again, she is accompanied by Alistair, the so-called former templar-in-training. 

Modifié par Korvayer, 22 janvier 2010 - 07:16 .

[Spitz6860]

if people like Connor are sent to the tower i imagine there are exceptions.

[beelzeybob]

Well, there's no way the family couldn't visit them at the tower though, right? But we've only seen Grey wardens allowed to enter (who are definitely an exception).

[SusanStoHelit]

David Gaider wrote...

It depends on the Circle in question, and how rigidly the templars there apply the rules. Typically, an apprentice is not allowed to see his family or leave the tower. An enchanter might -- although it would require them leaving the tower to do so... but that does happen, if there is business that takes them elsewhere (meaning they can finagle the First Enchanter's permission).

So, not bloodly likely at the Circle of Magi in Ferelden. But possible, perhaps, in circles in other countries where mages are less feared and have more freedom, or where the templars are less filled with distrust.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

David Gaider wrote...

It depends on the Circle in question, and how rigidly the templars there apply the rules. Typically, an apprentice is not allowed to see his family or leave the tower. An enchanter might -- although it would require them leaving the tower to do so... but that does happen, if there is business that takes them elsewhere (meaning they can finagle the First Enchanter's permission).

Thank you, David. This is very informative.

I guess that means that unless you are a full mage going on Circle business, you really do get completely cut off from your family, since the templars there seem to be quite rigid about the rules. 

I guess this also means no care packages of letters and cookies from home, either.

Quite cruel, I think. Tearing kids from their family with no more contact is quite traumatic for a child, no wonder alot of mages grow up unstable, insecure, and desperate.

[Mary Kirby]

Well, not to mention that most families don't want to be associated with their mage children. They're monstrous, and it's a disgrace to have one. The ones like Arlessa Isolde who don't turn them over at the first opportunity are rare.

[ReubenLiew]

All we need now is a Star Wars reference to the Imperium and we're all set...

[Herr Uhl]

Makes sense considering Wynne and Jowan's stories about going to the tower.



And that mage chick that might as well have been scrubbing herself bloody while going "unclean, must wash, be clean".

[Bhatair]

Hmm, good to know. Thanks David and Mary.