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[DocLasty]

Jan Shepard wrote...

After having played Pinnacle Station I'm not very excited about ME2 DLC.

EA ruined the image of Bioware. What a pity.

There's really nothing to indicate that EA has anything to do with the DLC. If anything, it's a product of the fans - lack of DLC content was one of the biggest complaints about the first game. And though Pinnacle Station wasn't the greatest thing in the world - though, for a five dollar price tag, it was more than I expected - BDtS was pretty good.

[the_one_54321]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Resale lending is also harmful to the industry and is in fair ground for combat.

Deal with it

i am dealing with it. im voicing my dissapproval on the company's forums.

[Jan Shepard]

DocLasty wrote...

Jan Shepard wrote...

After having played Pinnacle Station I'm not very excited about ME2 DLC.

EA ruined the image of Bioware. What a pity.

There's really nothing to indicate that EA has anything to do with the DLC. If anything, it's a product of the fans - lack of DLC content was one of the biggest complaints about the first game. And though Pinnacle Station wasn't the greatest thing in the world - though, for a five dollar price tag, it was more than I expected - BDtS was pretty good.

Yeah, gamers all over the world are really excited about DLC, especially about DLC that is already available on release date. 
Nobody complained as DLC was announced for Heavy Rain, Assassins Creed 2 and Alan Wake.
The gamers wanted the studios to cut scenes from the games to sell it afterwards via XBOX Live/PSN.

EA offers DLC for every ****, even things that can be unlocked in the game.
I miss the good old days when everything was on the disc and it didn't care if you bought your game at your local game shop owner or at Gamestop.

[Guaritor]

Jan Shepard wrote...

DocLasty wrote...

Jan Shepard wrote...

After having played Pinnacle Station I'm not very excited about ME2 DLC.

EA ruined the image of Bioware. What a pity.

There's really nothing to indicate that EA has anything to do with the DLC. If anything, it's a product of the fans - lack of DLC content was one of the biggest complaints about the first game. And though Pinnacle Station wasn't the greatest thing in the world - though, for a five dollar price tag, it was more than I expected - BDtS was pretty good.

Yeah, gamers all over the world are really excited about DLC, especially about DLC that is already available on release date. 
Nobody complained as DLC was announced for Heavy Rain, Assassins Creed 2 and Alan Wake.
The gamers wanted the studios to cut scenes from the games to sell it afterwards via XBOX Live/PSN.

EA offers DLC for every ****, even things that can be unlocked in the game.
I miss the good old days when everything was on the disc and it didn't care if you bought your game at your local game shop owner or at Gamestop.

Really? Two discs worth of content isnt enough for you?

BW didnt cut anything from their game to sell to you afterwards... and the day 1 DLC is free... the TWO discs you get in the standard package is the full fvcking game that reviewers have given outstanding ratings to.  The amount of ignorant people who insist that you aren't getting a full game is outstanding.

BW and EA may be businesses... but they're not the spawn of satan creating conspiracies to steal your money.

Modifié par Guaritor, 22 janvier 2010 - 06:20 .

[the_one_54321]

Guaritor wrote...
BW and EA may be businesses... but they're not the spawn of satan creating conspiracies to steal your money.

debatable. as evidenced by page upon page upon page of debate on that very issue.

[Wrex.the.next.spectre]

Schneidend wrote...

If you really love a game and the company that makes it, you'll buy it new. That bioware and EA have to take measures to encourage buying new is a sad sign of the times.

Because everybody can afford to pay for new games.

As a college student, you don't get a lot of extra money to spend. Personally, ME2 is the only new game I am buying(pre ordered it) for a few monthes. Doesn't mean I don't love Bioshock 2, Assassin's Creed 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, or Red Dead Redemption. Just that I can only afford to buy my favorite if I want to be able to purchase all of my books for this semester.

I had to wait to buy Bioshock used for 15$. That's just how it is for many people. I think this strategy is smart, and will limit the number of "pennie pinchers", but it won't stop those in less fortunate situations from buying used games.

[It IS Lupus]

Agreed, the Cerberus Network is a "Free Pipeline to Free DLC if you bought the game new." if you didnt buy it new then you are going to have to pay for the....not so....free.....DLC. Its a way of rewarding the players who love Bioware and Mass Effect. Its been Clarified that the Cerberus Network DLC is FREE but that wont be all the DLC larger packs will be available from xbl marketplace but will cost you. EA and BW are not keeping things out of the game. They werent able to release alot of DLC for ME1 due to Quote "bandwidth restrictions" They are planning a sh**storm of DLC for ME2 to make up for what they werent able to accomplish in ME1.

[llFlapjackll]

http://social.biowar...03/index/708882



Plain and simple

[Guaritor]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

debatable. as evidenced by page upon page upon page of debate on that very issue.

No

On one side you have those who are essentially Fox News correspondants who thrive on ignorance and hysteria.  On the other you have level headed folk.

Then you have the penny-pinchers, poor lower class people, poor college kids, and folk without broadband (or internet) who complain because it isn't fair that they can't enjoy the DLC (which is erroneously thought to have been intentionally pulled from the game to nickel and dime customers).

Well, gaming is a hobby.  Like any hobby, it's expensive and time consuming (a luxury).  You don't have internet or money for the DLC?  Well that's a an optional luxury.  The vanilla package is already nearly 15 gigs worth of stuff.  So you don't get the Network or DLC, boo-f***ing-hoo, life isn't fair.

Err... thats a little more aggressive then i would have put it but essentially ya... everyones getting the full game.

[It IS Lupus]

Guaritor wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

debatable. as evidenced by page upon page upon page of debate on that very issue.

No

On one side you have those who are essentially Fox News correspondants who thrive on ignorance and hysteria.  On the other you have level headed folk.

Then you have the penny-pinchers, poor lower class people, poor college kids, and folk without broadband (or internet) who complain because it isn't fair that they can't enjoy the DLC (which is erroneously thought to have been intentionally pulled from the game to nickel and dime customers).

Well, gaming is a hobby.  Like any hobby, it's expensive and time consuming (a luxury).  You don't have internet or money for the DLC?  Well that's a an optional luxury.  The vanilla package is already nearly 15 gigs worth of stuff.  So you don't get the Network or DLC, boo-f***ing-hoo, life isn't fair.

Err... thats a little more aggressive then i would have put it but essentially ya... everyones getting the full game.

Agreed.

[the_one_54321]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
who complain because it isn't fair that they can't enjoy the DLC (which is erroneously thought to have been intentionally pulled from the game to nickel and dime customers).

this is the part that is debatable. specifically the added bold. only the policy makers know why they choose the policy they choose. the rest of us just debate about it.

also, read the sig.

[the_one_54321]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Well, we have to take into account the state of the vanilla.  How much content is there?  How good is it?  How polished and finished does it seem?

you're preaching to the choir on this part.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Is it still possible that Shale, Zaeedan, Wardens Keep, The Hammerhead, etc was intentionally pulled from the game?  Absolutely.  But is it really relevant, given the vanilla?  No

here's where i have to disagree. you run the same analysis that you just did on the "vanilla." once applied to the DLC, and the cost is weighted against this, is it really worth it in the same way?

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Plus, there's the whole "free" variable for those who buy new.

and i dont think that anyone is arguing that this part of the deal isnt fair.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 22 janvier 2010 - 07:05 .

[Guaritor]

the_one_54321 wrote...

here's where i have to disagree. you run the same analysis that you just did on the "vanilla." once applied to the DLC, and the cost is weighted against this, is it really worth it in the same way?

Well... now that remains to be seen now doesn't it...

[the_one_54321]

i do not argue the effectiveness of their approach. i think it's very smart business. but i do not automatically atribute smart business to being respectable business.

smart business is not necessarily free of negative aspects, simply by the virtue of being smart. my point, in my original post, was that bioware was once a developer which i had a great deal of respect for. their recent choices in terms of protecting their games and promoting sales and revenue are such that i have been gradually, but steadily loosing respect for them. for juxtaposition, i offer CDProjekt. this companies approach to distribution and promoting sales and revenue is one that i have the utmost respect for.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 22 janvier 2010 - 07:21 .

[Door2DoorHitman]

I don't know if this has been stated, but I quote from another user in another thread:



"Anything that comes out of the Cerberus NEtwork is free as per stated from Dr. Greg and Dev in this forum. WHere Mass Effect 2 will have paid DLCs they wont be a part of the cerberus network."



I quoted PhoenixBlight from this thread:

http://social.biowar...index/663342/26

[Phoenixblight]

the_one_54321 wrote...

i do not argue the effectiveness of their approach. i think it's very smart business. but i do not automatically atribute smart business to being respectable business.

smart business is not necessarily free of negative aspects, simply by the virtue of being smart. my point, in my original post, was that bioware was once a developer which i had a great deal of respect for. their recent choices in terms of protecting their games and promoting sales and revenue are such that i have been gradually, but steadily loosing respect for them. for juxtaposition, i offer CDProjekt. this companies approach to distribution and promoting sales and revenue is one that i have the utmost respect for.

Yeah You lost respect for them because they are protecting their sales which keeps their talented team with a job especially in this day and age. Yeah CD Projekt is so much better they released a game that is practically unplayable even with the patches they released.

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 22 janvier 2010 - 07:26 .

[the_one_54321]

Phoenixblight wrote...
Yeah You lost respect for them because they are protecting their sales which keeps their talented team with a job especially in this day and age. Yeah CD Projekt is so much better they released a game that is practically unplayable even with the patches they released.

two things:

first, you make a crap argument that is based on assumptions that are completely un-provable.

second, if you found The Witcher unplayable, id be willing to bet cold hard cash that the problem was with you rather than the game.

[Phoenixblight]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
Yeah You lost respect for them because they are protecting their sales which keeps their talented team with a job especially in this day and age. Yeah CD Projekt is so much better they released a game that is practically unplayable even with the patches they released.

two things:

first, you make a crap argument that is based on assumptions that are completely un-provable.

second, if you found The Witcher unplayable, id be willing to bet cold hard cash that the problem was with you rather than the game.

 Look up WItcher crashes

You know what here:

www.google.com/search

[the_one_54321]

Phoenixblight wrote...
Look up WItcher crashes

You know what here:

www.google.com/search

i never had a single crash.

[Phoenixblight]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
Look up WItcher crashes

You know what here:

www.google.com/search

i never had a single crash.

Doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

[the_one_54321]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Well, I will argue the effectiveness of the approach and what it means.  The smart business will keep the company alive and progressive.  More money will keep investors happy.  It will lead to more development and more production investment.  More production investment will lead to more freedom to improve and expand.  Overall quality will rise (production values up, graphics up, animation up, sound up, VO up, bug-count down, QA testing up, polish up, etc).

I have respect for CDProjekt, but it's looking as if Witcher 2 is going to be the life-vest by which they either die or survive.

i am more than happy to hand over my money, as i think they make quality games. i am, however, not at all happy with their price structure as it has become. even $60 for a new game is not something i'd balk at. but the added content is distributed in a way that is unacceptable. (except where they include it for free, of course)