ACTUALLY, Geth are people, persons. Also, the Codex refers to them as a species, if I recall correctly.thompsonaf wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
Tali could only be considered racist if you consider the geth a "species," or even "people." They aren't. That'd be like calling somebody who dislikes waffle irons racist.
WIN.
/thread
Yeah, Shepherd can be an *sshole. =/NovaZero wrote...
He did say something similar to Sovereign though.
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Modifié par LucidStrike, 25 janvier 2010 - 09:18 .
Schneidend wrote...
Tali could only be considered racist if you consider the geth a "species," or even "people." They aren't. That'd be like calling somebody who dislikes waffle irons racist.
LucidStrike wrote...
ACTUALLY, Geth are people, persons. Also, the Codex refers to them as a species, if I recall correctly.thompsonaf wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
Tali could only be considered racist if you consider the geth a "species," or even "people." They aren't. That'd be like calling somebody who dislikes waffle irons racist.
WIN.
/threadYeah, Shepherd can be an *sshole. =/NovaZero wrote...
He did say something similar to Sovereign though.
thompsonaf wrote...
LucidStrike wrote...
ACTUALLY, Geth are people, persons. Also, the Codex refers to them as a species, if I recall correctly.thompsonaf wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
Tali could only be considered racist if you consider the geth a "species," or even "people." They aren't. That'd be like calling somebody who dislikes waffle irons racist.
WIN.
/threadYeah, Shepherd can be an *sshole. =/NovaZero wrote...
He did say something similar to Sovereign though.
Machines are not people.
Your argument and analogies are ridiculous, and a waste of time to debate. I won't take you seriously unless you respond in kind.finc.loki wrote...
Imho!
People that think
machines have "life" just because movies and games make them out to
that way, probably also think puppets are for real and not really just
have a human hand up their butt.
What's next, are you going to tell me they have mushy feelings too?
This is just humans wanting to imprint a soul/life on inanimate objects....
I
am a "racist" cause I hate Mac computers, there I said it, hope I
didn't hurt the Mac feelings, or the brother ipod or iphone chase me
down and kill me.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]
We don't know the details of the quarian exile so lets not make assumptions about that. Even if the geth had demanded surrender the quarians do not have to accept. What do you think they would have done? You should also acknowledge that the geth have a different way of thinking. Exiling the quarians was removing an immediate threat to their existance. Remember that the quarians attacked first and attempted genocide, who is to say they would not try to do so again some time after surrendering to the geth. The geth would probably not be willing to take such a risk, so they rendered the quarians unable to retaliate.Empiro wrote...
I still don't really understand how anyone could say that the Geth were just defending themselves. At first that might have been true, but at some point it just turned into ruthless genocide.
Think about it this way: there were probably billions of Quarians. What percentage of them do you think were actually in the military or had combat training? 1 out of 100? That's still way too high if anything. Then you think about the war itself. In any war, the combatants tend to get killed off first.
Once the Quarian military was defeated, the Geth could have easily demanded the Quarian surrender, or they could have demanded the Quarians build them ships so that they can leave the planet. But no, instead they decided to keep killing off the Quarian people until only 1 out of 1000 of them were left alive and managed to flee. These were just civilians that almost certainly had absolutely nothing to do with the original order to shut down the Geth.
Defending yourself against someone who's trying to kill you is one thing, but once you've subdued your attacker, going off to kill his friends, family, and co-workers is something else altogether.
Don't forget that when the Geth do finally attack, they don't exactly abide by whatever war conventions the ME universe has either. On Eden Prime, you see them take unarmed civilians, impale them on spikes, and turn them into zombies. I hope everyone sees that as quite different than Sheperd fighting and killing willing, armed, and hostile Geth combatants.
There's nothing wrong with hating the Geth. They show absolutely no respect for biological life.
Humans are machines.thompsonaf wrote...
Machines are not people.
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Sialboats wrote...
[SNIP]
What do you define a person as?
Because if it has anything to do with thought and emotion, Legion and his Geth splinter-faction compatriots are pretty damn close to one.
Inverness Moon wrote...
[SNIP] - I hate huge quotes.
Humans are machines.
With such ridiculous arguments I can't identify you as anything but ignorant, or a troll. Do you disagree?thompsonaf wrote...
Sialboats wrote...
[SNIP]
What do you define a person as?
Because if it has anything to do with thought and emotion, Legion and his Geth splinter-faction compatriots are pretty damn close to one.
I define people as not having WD40 for blood and an element zero core for a heart.
Oh, and Turians have silicon-based skin. Humans have protein.thompsonaf wrote...
Sialboats wrote...
[SNIP]
What do you define a person as?
Because if it has anything to do with thought and emotion, Legion and his Geth splinter-faction compatriots are pretty damn close to one.
I define people as not having WD40 for blood and an element zero core for a heart.
Inverness Moon wrote...
With such ridiculous arguments I can't identify you as anything but ignorant, or a troll. Do you disagree?thompsonaf wrote...
Sialboats wrote...
[SNIP]
What do you define a person as?
Because if it has anything to do with thought and emotion, Legion and his Geth splinter-faction compatriots are pretty damn close to one.
I define people as not having WD40 for blood and an element zero core for a heart.
NovaZero wrote...
Oh, and Turians have silicon-based skin. Humans have protein.thompsonaf wrote...
Sialboats wrote...
[SNIP]
What do you define a person as?
Because if it has anything to do with thought and emotion, Legion and his Geth splinter-faction compatriots are pretty damn close to one.
I define people as not having WD40 for blood and an element zero core for a heart.
Do we really want to go into semantics as to how resilient our vital organs are to a gunshot? Because they have natural plating and are capable of logical thought yet they in their own funny way haven't thought to invade the galaxy sooner possibly due to their disinterest in originally doing so? The only thing you can learn to "hate" is the idea of religion -- after all, they began their little shishkebab because they thought the Reaper to be a God... which isn't so bad considering we got religions that worship cows.
I'm not seeing the difference here.
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NovaZero wrote...
The excruciating irony is that you simply proved his point.
Hilarious. I'm in stitches.
On the off-note, humans are biological machines. And that's not existentialism -- that's fact AND science. Oooh.
Modifié par NovaZero, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:42 .
NovaZero wrote...
Actually, my psychoanalytical side is screaming that you're falling on that argument to back down from a confrontation you've entered ill-prepared.
But let's indulge that idea; I have weird ideas about people. It is, in all likelihood true. It is also valid. I form my opinion based on observation of both real world and popular media then commit myself to research within the academia then taking my formulated opinion throw it in to the mix from which to argue my point.
See how I just monologued? Why can't you people at least try to be a bit of a villain?
By contrast -- several centuries ago, white folk didn't see black folk as people. See where I'm getting with this?thompsonaf wrote...
NovaZero wrote...
Actually, my psychoanalytical side is screaming that you're falling on that argument to back down from a confrontation you've entered ill-prepared.
But let's indulge that idea; I have weird ideas about people. It is, in all likelihood true. It is also valid. I form my opinion based on observation of both real world and popular media then commit myself to research within the academia then taking my formulated opinion throw it in to the mix from which to argue my point.
See how I just monologued? Why can't you people at least try to be a bit of a villain?
Yeah...see. I use common sense, like: toaster =/= person. If someone actually created a real AI I could never see it as anything other than a pale imitation of life and morally reprehensible.
Modifié par NovaZero, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:56 .
vengEXwolf wrote...
Uh, the geth are SYNTHETIC LIFE, that means they are completely machine yet have parts that function for the same reason human parts would. They share a collective AI network which makes them all have ZERO personality for there is no individual. Some factions break off and form their own shared network of collective well, knowledge and thought.
The geth have made the lives of the quarians extremely hard, even if the geth might not be all that bad and things simply ended up this way because of bad choices from both sides, tali is justified to hate them because of the history.
Just like how many americans hated islamic people for the longest time after the world trade centors were blow to ****. Then eventually after the years everyone learned how things really went down and just because the actions of some were bad doesn't mean you should hate the entire nationality.
So I believe, depending on the actions of the geth faction that legion is from, both in mass effect 2 and 3, tali might be persuaded to have a different view on that specific faction of geth.
NovaZero wrote...
[SNIP]
By contrast -- several centuries ago, white folk didn't see black folk as people. See where I'm getting with this?
Sentient life is sentient life.thompsonaf wrote...
NovaZero wrote...
[SNIP]
By contrast -- several centuries ago, white folk didn't see black folk as people. See where I'm getting with this?
I see your analogy, although I disagree with it. Black or white, a human being is a human being. I still don't equate human beings with robots, no matter how intelligent they are.
Modifié par Inverness Moon, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:05 .
Had you been born several centuries ago your opinion would have been different -- your education would of been different and so would have your understanding. Likewise, you can't properly blame people of the past for their narrow understanding. As time passes, whoop-di-doo, people realized that despite the tiny detail of their skin color (and perhaps size of sexual organs), they realized that black folk are people too!thompsonaf wrote...
NovaZero wrote...
[SNIP]
By contrast -- several centuries ago, white folk didn't see black folk as people. See where I'm getting with this?
I see your analogy, although I disagree with it. Black or white, a human being is a human being. I still don't equate human beings with robots, no matter how intelligent they are.
Modifié par NovaZero, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:08 .
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