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[Jarmelopt]

Wow that completely sucks. They kept emphasizing the fact that level 60 characters from ME1 would overall be more powerful than a brand new ME2 character(even by a little).

[Marlina]

They ARE. You start out a couple of levels higher. It sounds completely ridiculous that level 60s should get some kind of permanent upgrade. Why wouldn't the "other" Shepards be able to catch up eventually?

[FearTheLiving]

Wow be lucky you get anything Bioware could have came out and said only choices carry over, but they actually gave you bonuses for your work not the best but at least its something.

Modifié par FearTheLiving, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:08 .

[Mr. Gerbz]

I couldn't care less if I got extra bonuses for being lvl 60. I enjoyed playing through Mass Effect (a lot of times), and being able to continue the same character is already extremely rewarding for me.

[RickmanUK]

Pretty much the Same for me... Not Disapointed, I have a level 59 Infiltrator... I was wondering if i should work on a new Character or go though a final Playthough on that one.

[xMister Vx]

Good. Thankfully I didn't grind anywhere, so it's level 58 for me I think.



The resources bit mentioned here is much more important though, to me at least. It means that research starts right away.

[RyuKazuha]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

I couldn't care less if I got extra bonuses for being lvl 60. I enjoyed playing through Mass Effect (a lot of times), and being able to continue the same character is already extremely rewarding for me.

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[Jarmelopt]

Marlina wrote...

They ARE. You start out a couple of levels higher. It sounds completely ridiculous that level 60s should get some kind of permanent upgrade. Why wouldn't the "other" Shepards be able to catch up eventually?

Maybe because we spent time grinding up?  The level bonus is worthless because if you maxed out at 60 then you sure as heck are going to max out at 30.  Again the way they stated the bonus implied that there would be some sort of either stat bonus or point bonus.  It would have been nice if they had straight out told us about it earlier.

[Schneidend]

Jarmelopt wrote...

Marlina wrote...

They ARE. You start out a couple of levels higher. It sounds completely ridiculous that level 60s should get some kind of permanent upgrade. Why wouldn't the "other" Shepards be able to catch up eventually?

Maybe because we spent time grinding up?  The level bonus is worthless because if you maxed out at 60 then you sure as heck are going to max out at 30.  Again the way they stated the bonus implied that there would be some sort of either stat bonus or point bonus.  It would have been nice if they had straight out told us about it earlier.

You're lucky you got anything at all. Bioware could have easily decided that "you were already rewarded for that in the first game," as they did for some other achievements.

[Jarmelopt]

Again they could have been clear about what we were going to get. I'm working on another completionist playthrough because it seemed the most powerful guys were going to be imported ME 1 level 60 characters. Now it seems they were intentionally vague because they wanted to avoid another backlash similar to what happened when people learned their levels were going to be reset.

Quote: Christina Norman
The major things that will matter in terms of your import playthrough are:
- The choices you made in dialog your last playthrough - this has the biggest impact by far. I can not emphesize this last point enough.
- Your level
- Your achievements, to a limited extent. For example, the rich achivement is a good one to have. You must have finished the game after you acquired the achievement to get the benefit on your imported character.

We didn't want to make it so you'd have to create some kind of maxed out character in ME1 to achieve the most powerful character in ME2, with that said, an imported ME1 character will have small permanent advantages over a brand new ME2 character.

I don't want to over emphasize these advantages though.
******************
If you are obsessed with min maxing and want to be as powerful as is possible at the end of ME2, importing a level 60 character from an account with all ME1 achievements is the safest bet.
**********************

A higher starting level is not what  a regular person would designate as a permanent advantage.

Modifié par Jarmelopt, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:40 .

[Schneidend]

Jarmelopt wrote...

A higher starting level is not what  a regular person would designate as a permanent advantage.

I would. It's free experience.

[Jarmelopt]

Nope because is there temporary level bonus? Permanent implies a constant advantage however once all parties hit 30, poof there goes the advantage.

[FearTheLiving]

Jarmelopt wrote...
A higher starting level is not what  a regular person would designate as a permanent advantage.

Well it is permanent it's not like your about to beat ME2 and they take away the 5 levels they gave you for getting to level 60. I really just don't understand what people were expecting when they heard this. They said a "small" boost so that usually implies it isn't necessary and that if you'd don't wish to do it you don't have too. Also they repeatedly stated that you could play ME2 as its own game therefore that ME1 bonus wasn't going to be the best in the game if others couldn't get it during ME2 it just takes longer for them.

Modifié par FearTheLiving, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:53 .

[Marlina]

Geez, this whining reminds of the whole Network Card "scandal".

"OMG, EVERYONE GETS IT? BUT I BOUGHT THE CE ONLY FOR THAT ONE THING!"

[Schneidend]

Jarmelopt wrote...

Nope because is there temporary level bonus? Permanent implies a constant advantage however once all parties hit 30, poof there goes the advantage.

You constantly have extra experience, for every playthrough, that does not need to be earned in ME2 itself. That is a permanent advantage.

[Jarmelopt]

Quote:Christina Norman
If you are obsessed with min maxing and want to be as powerful as is possible at the end of ME2, importing a level 60 character from an account with all ME1 achievements is the safest bet.

^Again, that implies there would be something more than just a level bonus. Now according to this news, what does the level import matter? At the end you're going to be just as powerful if you didn't import. It's pretty contradictory to what they were stating earlier.

Modifié par Jarmelopt, 22 janvier 2010 - 11:00 .

[Schneidend]

Jarmelopt wrote...

If you are obsessed with min maxing and want to be as powerful as is possible at the end of ME2, importing a level 60 character from an account with all ME1 achievements is the safest bet.

^Again, that implies there would be something more than just a level bonus. Now according to this news, what does the level import matter? At the end you're going to be just as powerful if you didn't import. It's pretty contradictory to what they were stating earlier.

Experience freely given is experience you don't have to go get. That helps you become as powerful as possible more easily. There has been no deception here. Get over it.

[Nimander]

The mind boggles.



I don't read that as a confirmation of permanent bonuses over new people who played the game. As someone who has 6 level 60 saved games, I'm not upset at all. People need to ease up on the entitlement. Bioware didn't force you to 'level grind'.

[Jarmelopt]

Schneidend wrote...

Jarmelopt wrote...

If you are obsessed with min maxing and want to be as powerful as is possible at the end of ME2, importing a level 60 character from an account with all ME1 achievements is the safest bet.

^Again, that implies there would be something more than just a level bonus. Now according to this news, what does the level import matter? At the end you're going to be just as powerful if you didn't import. It's pretty contradictory to what they were stating earlier.

Experience freely given is experience you don't have to go get. That helps you become as powerful as possible more easily. There has been no deception here. Get over it.

You do understand what min maxing means correct?

Modifié par Jarmelopt, 22 janvier 2010 - 11:06 .

[DarkSpiral]

I thought I read you got bonus resources for the ship's upgrades. I assume that means raw materials for the research you can conduct. But that might have been someone else's speculation. *shrug*

[Kusy]

I think the best thing to do is stop whining untill there's a confirmation from BioWare or someone who beat the game.

[Schneidend]

No, I have never played any role-playing game or visited the forums for a role-playing game before. I duz not know what dis min-macks iz.



Min-maxing is making a character as powerful as possible at the lowest possible cost, like taking all the points out of a half-orc fighter's Charisma stat and putting them into Strength in D&D. In this instance, you are minimizing your time investment while maximizing the experience you've gained. You are getting X amount of experiencing (where X = lots) for the low, low price of investing zero (0) hours in ME2.

[imemoria]

Jarmelopt wrote...

Again they could have been clear about what we were going to get. I'm working on another completionist playthrough because it seemed the most powerful guys were going to be imported ME 1 level 60 characters. Now it seems they were intentionally vague because they wanted to avoid another backlash similar to what happened when people learned their levels were going to be reset.

Quote: Christina Norman
The major things that will matter in terms of your import playthrough are:
- The choices you made in dialog your last playthrough - this has the biggest impact by far. I can not emphesize this last point enough.
- Your level
- Your achievements, to a limited extent. For example, the rich achivement is a good one to have. You must have finished the game after you acquired the achievement to get the benefit on your imported character.

We didn't want to make it so you'd have to create some kind of maxed out character in ME1 to achieve the most powerful character in ME2, with that said, an imported ME1 character will have small permanent advantages over a brand new ME2 character.

I don't want to over emphasize these advantages though.
******************
If you are obsessed with min maxing and want to be as powerful as is possible at the end of ME2, importing a level 60 character from an account with all ME1 achievements is the safest bet.
**********************

A higher starting level is not what  a regular person would designate as a permanent advantage.

<- this.
I'm with you on this one, we have been lied.

[CHULK88]

I'm assuming that the rich achievement bonus is just money then, I not bothered by starting out at level 4 or 5. Anything else like having at maximum level character would be too much.

[T1l]

This stems from Biowares' lack of communication. Every Bioware post I read is intentionally vague; and they do it to cause hype. Giving ambiguous information doesn't cause immediate dissent, nor does it quell questions. It's in Biowares' best interest to fuel the hype train - be damned with actual information - and then reap the benefits and deal with the topics post fact.

It's infuriating, but it seems to be Biowares' policy. Chris Priestly is the perfect example. He'll intentionally mislead people for the sole purpose of causing confusion.

TLDR: Bioware are master Trolls. Wait until everyone sees the Tali scene. Oh boy. Oh! Better yet, the patented Bioware twwweeeeest. I can’t wait for that fallout.

Get used to it.