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[LucidStrike]

Yes, it is another form of parochialism and bigotry, but a more appropriate term would be xenophobia.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:33 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

" ...batarians."

Yeah, damn those Batarians. Humanity should round them up and put them in slums. We will call it District 9. Oh wait.

[jakl201]

jakl201 wrote...

Batarians. Kill all those mother********. Turians, meh. Salarians? Sweetness. Asari? Blue boobies.

And the correct term is xenophobia.

LucidStrike wrote...

Yes, it is another form of parochialism and bigotry, but a more appropriate term would be xenophobia.

Word stealer!

[LucidStrike]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

" ...batarians."

Yeah, damn those Batarians. Humanity should round them up and put them in slums. We will call it District 9. Oh wait.

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

jakl201 wrote...
Word stealer![smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Yeah, I noticed after I posted.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:38 .

[lokiarchetype]

LucidStrike wrote...

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

" ...batarians."

Yeah, damn those Batarians. Humanity should round them up and put them in slums. We will call it District 9. Oh wait.

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

While their anger may be justified, there is no way to legitimize their actions.

Attacking civilian targets to make statement is terrorism.  If you have an issue, declare war and fight the military, or open diplomatic relations, there are appropriate channels through which those concerns can be vented.

Attacking civilians is outright deplorable and ransacking colonies and murdering or enslaving the inhabitants is barbaric.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:46 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

lokiarchetype wrote...

Attacking civilian targets to make statement is terrorism.  If you have an issue, declare war and fight the military, or open diplomatic relations, there are appropriate channels through which those concerns can be vented.

Attacking civilians is outright deplorable and ransacking colonies and murdering or enslaving the inhabitants is barbaric.

Well put. But speaking to be honest, I don't think Council would have heeded Batarian concerns anyway. Even if they had pursued the matter legally, they still wouldn't have gained anything. Either you're the guy banging in the nails in the cross, or you're the person hanging from it.

[LucidStrike]

lokiarchetype wrote...
While their anger may be justified, there is no way to legitimize their actions.

Attacking civilian targets to make statement is terrorism.  If you have an issue, declare war and fight the military, or open diplomatic relations, there are appropriate channels through which those concerns can be vented.

Attacking civilians is outright deplorable and ransacking colonies and murdering or enslaving the inhabitants is barbaric.

That wasn't addressed to me, was it?

[lokiarchetype]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

Attacking civilian targets to make statement is terrorism.  If you have an issue, declare war and fight the military, or open diplomatic relations, there are appropriate channels through which those concerns can be vented.

Attacking civilians is outright deplorable and ransacking colonies and murdering or enslaving the inhabitants is barbaric.

Well put. But speaking to be honest, I don't think Council would have heeded Batarian concerns anyway. Even if they had pursued the matter legally, they still wouldn't have gained anything. Either you're the guy banging in the nails in the cross, or you're the person hanging from it.

If they feel violence is the only way to have their concerns brought forward, then I am perfectly okay with them attacking.  Nations have militaries for a reason.

But civilians?  That's over the line any way you slice it.  These people didn't do anything.  They probably don't even know about the situation.  How much control do they really have over their government that you're going to blame them?  Because some 5 year old kid really have a say in galactic expansionistic policies?  Or even some 50 year old farmer?
It's reeks of rationalization.
Civilians are simply a defenseless target and the easiest one to take out their frustration on so that they can feel powerful and make people fear them without putting themselves in any major danger.

That wasn't addressed to me, was it?

It's addressed to you if you think what happened to them at all excuses what they did at Elysium or Terra Nova.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:58 .

[Dr Metzger]

Those Salarians with their beady eyes and flapping heads.

[Schneidend]

LucidStrike wrote...

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

Legitimate complaints? Like what, that humans aren't as lazy as batarians? They had no legal claim on the planets that humanity alledgedly "stole" from them. You can't just have your ships fly around and area and assume you own that area.

[lokiarchetype]

Schneidend wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

Legitimate complaints? Like what, that humans aren't as lazy as batarians? They had no legal claim on the planets that humanity alledgedly "stole" from them. You can't just have your ships fly around and area and assume you own that area.

"You colonized worlds that could have been ours!  You took resources that should have been ours!"

"Did you have a flag?"

"What?"

"Did you have a flag?"

"...No?"

"No flag, no planet.  Those are the rules.  ...That I just made up."


(On a serious note, who else wanted to say "Are you honestly suggesting that your reason for wiping out 1 billion people is... "I saw it first"?  Seriously?  That's your justification for terrorism?")

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:04 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

Legitimate complaints? Like what, that humans aren't as lazy as batarians? They had no legal claim on the planets that humanity alledgedly "stole" from them. You can't just have your ships fly around and area and assume you own that area.

Yeah, I am unsure what happened there, Did the Batarians lay claim to  unsettled planets they had no stake over ?

(On a serious note, who else wanted to say "Are you honestly suggesting
that your reason for wiping out 1 billion people is... "I saw it
first"?  Seriously?  That's your justification for terrorism?")

Correction, 1 million people. Though What we have seen off the Batarians are slavers, and terrorists.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:07 .

[Shad0wOGRE]

Schneidend wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

Legitimate complaints? Like what, that humans aren't as lazy as batarians? They had no legal claim on the planets that humanity alledgedly "stole" from them. You can't just have your ships fly around and area and assume you own that area.

Yeah, you need a flag!

[Schneidend]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Yeah, I am unsure what happened there, Did the Batarians lay claim to  unsettled planets they had no stake over ?

As I understand it, the batarians didn't go through the proper channels to actually have the Council recognize their planetary claims, and they weren't making any development efforts on those planets.

I would guess that the batarians lacked the funds or lacked the desire to promptly allocate the funds to do either of those things. Humanity, however, had neither of these problems, and probably went through the proper procedures to stake their claims.

[RavenholmeCP42]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it simply be speciesism?

And, humans. Arrogant upstarts think they can walk in and disturb the natural order of things, and that everyone should get down on their knees and shine their shoes with their tongues.

Modifié par RavenholmeCP42, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[LucidStrike]

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Also [INSERT SPOILER WARNING HERE], we'll find out in ME2, that the Batarians have some legitimate complaints. I expected as much.

Legitimate complaints? Like what, that humans aren't as lazy as batarians? They had no legal claim on the planets that humanity alledgedly "stole" from them. You can't just have your ships fly around and area and assume you own that area.

Yeah, you need a flag!

LMAO. I got all those Lego clips on hard drive and iPod, which makes Eddie Izzard even funnier. Always hilarious.

Anyway, I'm saying that it's not JUST about what we've heard in ME1. It was a spoiler posted from someone who watched that stream of the game. I'm no just speculating.

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it simply be speciesm?

And,
humans. Arrogant upstarts think they can walk in and disturb the
natural order of things, and that everyone should get down on their
knees and shine their shoes with their tongues.

Yeah, but it'd
riritate me to hear bloodmouths indignantly spouting off about
speciesism. Let's go with anthropocentrism.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:15 .

[lokiarchetype]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it simply be speciesm?

And, humans. Arrogant upstarts think they can walk in and disturb the natural order of things, and that everyone should get down on their knees and shine their shoes with their tongues.

Tongues?  I don't want disgusting alien drool on my batarian-stomping boots!


And hey, can you really blame us (one of the shorter lived species) for not wanting those 1000 year old Asari to drag their heels in recognizing how much we could contribute to galactic society?

And we (Shepard and the Fifth Fleet) saved the galaxy, so apparently our arrogance was well-founded.


Also speciesm... specieism?  Something like that... Is such a clumsy word.  The attitude is a direct parallel to racism, and it's not like any biological races do exist in humans anyways, so racism refers to social groups more than biological groups.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

Schneidend wrote...

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Yeah, I am unsure what happened there, Did the Batarians lay claim to  unsettled planets they had no stake over ?

As I understand it, the batarians didn't go through the proper channels to actually have the Council recognize their planetary claims, and they weren't making any development efforts on those planets.

I would guess that the batarians lacked the funds or lacked the desire to promptly allocate the funds to do either of those things. Humanity, however, had neither of these problems, and probably went through the proper procedures to stake their claims.

According to the wiki, the Batarians were actively colonizing the skyilian verge in the 2160's. They wanted this area to be declared of "Batarian interests". The Council refused, and the Batarians pretty much showed the Council the finger, and retreated.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 22 janvier 2010 - 09:19 .

[Decho the Dolphin]

The Hanar are a little irritating, but ridiculously easy to insult so I don't really mind.

[zuluthrone]

I can't stand the Volus sense of entitlement. Maybe if they could defend themselves they wouldn't feel so left out of political affairs. Thank god they lack the mettle to steer galactic interests despite their control over industry.

[TheMightyOm]

adam_grif wrote...

I hate Asari so much because they're far too human-like. They're even reproductively compatible for Pete's sake. They don't have any voice filters either - they have normal human voices. And wtf is with SciFi artists and sticking boobs on things that are not placental mammals? Not even all Mammals have boobs, nor do the vast vast majority of Earth species, why would totally unrelated species have them?

GAAFSDFGSGSG.

Bceause the Mighty Om spake:
"Yeh, let there be alien boobs"
And there were boobs.

Stop your whining, lest you tempt the horns of Om.

[RavenholmeCP42]

lokiarchetype wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it simply be speciesm?

And, humans. Arrogant upstarts think they can walk in and disturb the natural order of things, and that everyone should get down on their knees and shine their shoes with their tongues.

Tongues?  I don't want disgusting alien drool on my batarian-stomping boots!


And hey, can you really blame us (one of the shorter lived species) for not wanting those 1000 year old Asari to drag their heels in recognizing how much we could contribute to galactic society?

And we (Shepard and the Fifth Fleet) saved the galaxy, so apparently our arrogance was well-founded.

Before that though, we hadn't really contributed ANYTHING to the galaxy. Except being a royal pain in the fundament. Before that, the contribution we had made was nothing that any of the other races (Volus, anyone?) hadn't already made. So yeah, we came in expecting unfair and unequal treatment. Typical human arrogance. And to be fair, you could say that humanity only suceeded because we had a man on the inside, and the Asari/Turian garrison gave their lives to take down a fair portion of the geth ships.

[Schneidend]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...
According to the wiki, the Batarians were actively colonizing the skyilian verge in the 2160's. They wanted this area to be declared of "Batarian interests". The Council refused, and the Batarians pretty much showed the Council the finger, and retreated.

Ah, okay. Batarians wanted to lay claim on an entire region of space, and the Council was all like "What? No, you actually have to build stuff." Not exactly what I was thinking, but similar.

[lokiarchetype]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Before that though, we hadn't really contributed ANYTHING to the galaxy. Except being a royal pain in the fundament. Before that, the contribution we had made was nothing that any of the other races (Volus, anyone?) hadn't already made. So yeah, we came in expecting unfair and unequal treatment. Typical human arrogance. And to be fair, you could say that humanity only suceeded because we had a man on the inside, and the Asari/Turian garrison gave their lives to take down a fair portion of the geth ships.

I think the First Contact War definitely sets the stage for how humans act upon entering to galactic community.

I mean their introduction to the "Space UN" was having it's police force attack them for violating laws they weren't aware of that we put in place by communities they didn't even know existed.

Would you really want to join that Space UN and be a 'lesser species' to the species that just attacked you without provocation?

One that you successfully defended yourself against? 
And now they want you to bow down to them and be at their mercy in diplomatic relations?

I think it's fair to want to be on equal footing with the Turian given that context.  

[LucidStrike]

Schneidend wrote...

Ah, okay. Batarians wanted to lay claim on an entire region of space, and the Council was all like "What? No, you actually have to build stuff." Not exactly what I was thinking, but similar.

Because the Council has never screwed anyone over. <_<