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This is why the writers of ME seriously need to take a good look at the character of Captain Jack Harkness.
A thought about a Tali romance, and what it may mean.
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#52
Posté 08 février 2010 - 01:49
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There's been some ideas of Shep and Tali having child... or at least people seem to imply such.
Citadel laws concerning genetic modification forbid genetic hybridization, or something such, cannot remember the exact Codex entry and not bother to look it up from MEwiki.
"Creating life" is forbidden. Likely Tali, who seems to be a "paragon" character, would not accept if Shepard suggested having a child though such methods, even if such would work really (failure rate as of now with cloned embryos is high, making a hybrid is likely almost impossible even with MEuniverse tech).
Funny thing in ME universe is that all species ressemble each other. Convergent evolution or something like that, no? But how come most seem to be... compatible anatomically?
Citadel laws concerning genetic modification forbid genetic hybridization, or something such, cannot remember the exact Codex entry and not bother to look it up from MEwiki.
"Creating life" is forbidden. Likely Tali, who seems to be a "paragon" character, would not accept if Shepard suggested having a child though such methods, even if such would work really (failure rate as of now with cloned embryos is high, making a hybrid is likely almost impossible even with MEuniverse tech).
Funny thing in ME universe is that all species ressemble each other. Convergent evolution or something like that, no? But how come most seem to be... compatible anatomically?
#53
Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:05
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Nashkital wrote...
Well Quarians have mammary glands. I am not a biologist but I am pretty sure that means mammal, so no lobster chick. All for koala chick though.
This also brings me to another question... If you romanced previously with say, ashley or liara. What would they say knowing you are now with liara? Probably make Ashley hate Quarians.
Just throwing this out there, a koala chick sounds pretty hot.
#54
Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:12
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You mean she'd have fur or some other koala like features?
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:13
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Warlokki wrote...
There's been some ideas of Shep and Tali having child... or at least people seem to imply such.
Citadel laws concerning genetic modification forbid genetic hybridization, or something such, cannot remember the exact Codex entry and not bother to look it up from MEwiki.
"Creating life" is forbidden. Likely Tali, who seems to be a "paragon" character, would not accept if Shepard suggested having a child though such methods, even if such would work really (failure rate as of now with cloned embryos is high, making a hybrid is likely almost impossible even with MEuniverse tech).
Funny thing in ME universe is that all species ressemble each other. Convergent evolution or something like that, no? But how come most seem to be... compatible anatomically?
Well, it's heavily suggested (or outright confirmed, don't remember) that the Protheans guided the evolution of species, so it makes sense... though not all the species are. Elcor, for instance. And Volus are a bit of a stretch. Hanar? Rachni?
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:14
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In one of the bars in ME2 you can eavesdrop on a Quarian female out with a Turian male. She is complaining about her love life, and the Turian is clearly interested in her romantically. Anyway she complains about a previous date that didn't quite work out with a human. Although they didn't consummate the relationship, she probably wasn't the first Quarian to date a human, and some probably have had sexual relationships.
I seriously doubt Shepard is the first.
Also in Mass Effect:Ascension there is a brief mention I believe to pornography involving humans and aliens, including Quarians.
I seriously doubt Shepard is the first.
Also in Mass Effect:Ascension there is a brief mention I believe to pornography involving humans and aliens, including Quarians.
#57
Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:16
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Liara = social retard
Ashley = neocon
Miranda = stuck up her own ass (she got a little better)
Jack = badmouthed tough girl cliche (right down to actually being useless in a fight)
Tali = also neocon
I'm not getting a lot of choices, here
Ashley = neocon
Miranda = stuck up her own ass (she got a little better)
Jack = badmouthed tough girl cliche (right down to actually being useless in a fight)
Tali = also neocon
I'm not getting a lot of choices, here
#58
Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:29
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Regarding Protheans and evolution: Actually it was a theory in universe that Protheans guide evolution but that was just popular theory. Scientist though that they studied other species but didn't take part in their evolution.
(Should be noted that the similar evolution of species might have something to do with the Reapers, say that the microbes on planets are originally from the species that made the Reapers billions of years ago (or how long is it? Hundreds of millions at least))
(Should be noted that the similar evolution of species might have something to do with the Reapers, say that the microbes on planets are originally from the species that made the Reapers billions of years ago (or how long is it? Hundreds of millions at least))
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:32
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It could also just be basic parallel evolution, they had similar conditions and therefore evolved similarly. It would make sense for worlds capable of supporting intelligent life to have similar conditions.
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 02:39
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The term is convergent evolution i used earlier. http://en.wikipedia....rgent_evolutionSerogon wrote...
It could also just be basic parallel evolution, they had similar conditions and therefore evolved similarly. It would make sense for worlds capable of supporting intelligent life to have similar conditions.
Why do i feel like i'm being educated on subject i know rather well already...? No offence intended, might be just that i'm tired. *shrugs*
But still convergent evolution doesn't really explain alien species having pretty much similar genitalia.
Right. What was the original question/discussion about Tali...
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 07:27
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Regardless of questions over reproduction, adoption, etc., fictional inter-species relationships have dominated Sci-Fi and fascinated Sci-Fi fans since Star Trek first displayed relationships between different species (think of Deanna Troy/William Riker, Deanna Troy/Warf, Picard/Borg Queen [to a lesser extent]) and several more that I can't remember at the moment. The defining characteristic that made a lot of these relationships valid to the audience was that the motivations, trials and tribulations, and feelings of the characters in the relationship are parallel to what we have to deal with in our own lives.
That said, I honestly think most people engage in the Mass Effect subplots because of how that love interest's personality appeals to Shepard or the player (depending on whether they're immersing themselves on that level into the world or not). In Mass Effect, Liara was a very typical, cookie-cutter damsel-in-distress type who didn't have much depth beyond her fascination with Shepard and her insecurities (hell you could even say she's as annoying as Bella from the Twighlight series). Ashley Williams by default is the better option in my opinion (I actually liked Ashley's character despite a lot of the protests I've heard). Tali was the only female in the squad who had depth to her character and a mix of complex, truthful emotions that lots of players can relate to. She's most like a typical girl than any stock character, which is probably why players liked her so much and wished so much to be able to romance her in Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 2, the romance options are a bit more fleshed, as with a darker main plot, you generally get more complex characters with bigger emotions. Jack and Miranda have much more substance than Liara did in Mass Effect 1, and even though Liara has grown as a character and actually has grown a backbone, she doesn't join your squad and you don't get a second chance to pursue her, so its pointless. Therefore, Tali, retaining all the qualities that made her so likeable in the first game, is the best, most well-written romance subplot in the entire game, and it really has to do more with the personality than anything else.
That said, I honestly think most people engage in the Mass Effect subplots because of how that love interest's personality appeals to Shepard or the player (depending on whether they're immersing themselves on that level into the world or not). In Mass Effect, Liara was a very typical, cookie-cutter damsel-in-distress type who didn't have much depth beyond her fascination with Shepard and her insecurities (hell you could even say she's as annoying as Bella from the Twighlight series). Ashley Williams by default is the better option in my opinion (I actually liked Ashley's character despite a lot of the protests I've heard). Tali was the only female in the squad who had depth to her character and a mix of complex, truthful emotions that lots of players can relate to. She's most like a typical girl than any stock character, which is probably why players liked her so much and wished so much to be able to romance her in Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 2, the romance options are a bit more fleshed, as with a darker main plot, you generally get more complex characters with bigger emotions. Jack and Miranda have much more substance than Liara did in Mass Effect 1, and even though Liara has grown as a character and actually has grown a backbone, she doesn't join your squad and you don't get a second chance to pursue her, so its pointless. Therefore, Tali, retaining all the qualities that made her so likeable in the first game, is the best, most well-written romance subplot in the entire game, and it really has to do more with the personality than anything else.
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Posté 15 février 2010 - 07:36
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[quote]Nashkital wrote...
If shep did romance Tali, would that not mean the first HumanXQuarian relationship in the ME Universe?[/quote]Nope, a qurian on Illium was discussing about her ex boyfriend who was male. [quote]Come to think of it it seems humans are almost as open to alien romances at the Asari are....[/quote]Exact same scene shows a turian who has feelings for said quarian.
After many centuries of living together cultural barriers would of been broken down and thus interspecies relationships would not be particularly rare amongst all species.[/quote]
If shep did romance Tali, would that not mean the first HumanXQuarian relationship in the ME Universe?[/quote]Nope, a qurian on Illium was discussing about her ex boyfriend who was male. [quote]Come to think of it it seems humans are almost as open to alien romances at the Asari are....[/quote]Exact same scene shows a turian who has feelings for said quarian.
After many centuries of living together cultural barriers would of been broken down and thus interspecies relationships would not be particularly rare amongst all species.[/quote]
#63
Posté 15 février 2010 - 07:47
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My Shepard is a trollop and will sleep with anything, so long as it breaths and is Female.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:59
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Naltair wrote...
He will sex his away across the Galaxy, and there will be peace.ODST 3 wrote...
"We need to build bridges." Shepard takes that literally.
REAPERS: "Your species is at an end."
Shepard: - I don't think so
- It doesn't have to be like this!
- You know, I DID study some engineering at the academy...
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:03
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VelcroT wrote...
I don't get what the appeal of Tali is. She could look like a lobster for all you know.
You can see enough through her helmet to know that she has human facial structure. I find it alittle weird that she would be attracteed to Shepard seeing the male quarian silhouettes should a less human and more ape-like facial structure. I think they look like bothans from star wars. But looks aren't everything, or so I'm told.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:11
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JasonPogo wrote...
GnusmasTHX wrote...
JasonPogo wrote...
Nashkital wrote...
I just find the very fact of interspecies romance interesting. In a sense it is like a homosexual relationship in the fact it does not support ones species biologically. Yet at the same time it could connect(or tear apart) the relations of the two species as a whole.
Whi is to say kids can't come of it? I'm not saying they will but we know the Asari only breed with other species as a rule.
... Seriously?
You think a turian and a human can produce a child when they can't even dine at the same restaurants?
I was just saying in some cases it might happen but certainly not all.
QUIT complaining its the future!!
anything's possible
#67
Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:15
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Holy crap this thread is awesome!
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:19
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I'm sure Shepard is not the first human to do it with a Quarian. If there's one thing that I learned about the ME universe, is that humans will have sex with anything.
The citadel races got along fine for thousands of years, and it took all of just a few years after humans showed up before they start up the first xenophilia porno mag.
The citadel races got along fine for thousands of years, and it took all of just a few years after humans showed up before they start up the first xenophilia porno mag.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:36
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Nashkital wrote...
If shep did romance Tali, would that not mean the first HumanXQuarian relationship in the ME Universe?
I highly doubt that.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 09:51
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Empiro wrote...
I'm sure Shepard is not the first human to do it with a Quarian. If there's one thing that I learned about the ME universe, is that humans will have sex with anything.
The citadel races got along fine for thousands of years, and it took all of just a few years after humans showed up before they start up the first xenophilia porno mag.
I agree
Humans are just damn dirty apes
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 10:01
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Shepard and Tali having a child against the science would be too sentimental. The fact they can't produce offspring adds a slightly tragic flavor to the relationship.
On Illium, a Quarian is talking to a Turian about a recently failed relationship with a human, so there have been human-Quarian relationships.
On Illium, a Quarian is talking to a Turian about a recently failed relationship with a human, so there have been human-Quarian relationships.
Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 02 mai 2010 - 10:05 .
#72
Posté 02 mai 2010 - 10:26
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What if the Council banned Multi species relationships?
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 10:49
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Canned Bullets wrote...
What if the Council banned Multi species relationships?
They wouldn't.
And if they did, there would be a riot.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 10:55
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It is not the first relationship, unless the Quarian on Eternity talking to the Turian had a hallucination of a human boyfriend. The significance of the relationship is that, much like the Garrus romance, Shepard and the romance interest are willing to brave the complications for an interspecies relationship because they care deeply for each other.
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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 10:56
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Arawn-Loki wrote...
Shepard and Tali having a child against the science would be too sentimental. The fact they can't produce offspring adds a slightly tragic flavor to the relationship.
On Illium, a Quarian is talking to a Turian about a recently failed relationship with a human, so there have been human-Quarian relationships.
What about Quarian and Turian relationships? They have compatible DNA right?
