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[Master Warder Z_]

Actually I meant "Why  ?" but forgot to put the emoticon. 

 

The former is true, but the latter really isn't. I prefer not to resort to such tactics, but if there is no other option I'll do it wholeheartedly. But Neutral Evil and Chaotic Evil are going too far for it to be enjoyable for me unless they are really specific scenarios. 

 

Ah alright.

 

Well let's see my track record for my various PC's.

 

Assisted in Annulling the Kirkwall Circle.

 

Let Project Overlord resume.

 

Destroyed the Geth "Heretics"

 

Assisted in the Quarians and Geth making peace during the Reaper War.

 

Preserved the Collector Base.

 

Spared and allowed Loghain to join the Gray Wardens.

 

Saved the Fereldan Circle during the fifth blight.

 

Supported Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas.

 

Preserved the Anvil of the Void.

 

I could go on but i think by now you get the gist of the majority of my PC's.

 

Do notion do you come to when you put such things together? What ideology or mantra comes to mind?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's difficult since some seem so contradictory to each other. But to give it a two-section range I'd say most like a Chaotic Neutral-Lawful Evil fits you best, Warden.

[Master Warder Z_]

That's difficult since some seem so contradictory to each other. But to give it a two-section range I'd say most like a Chaotic Neutral-Lawful Evil fits you best, Warden.

 

Contradictory? Only in so far as if you are looking at them through a moral spectrum. Which given the thread, i can see the confusion, Personally though i have always viewed in this manner. Morality like most cognitive aspects is merely  a perspective driven subjective outlook upon action and reaction.I said before, i found morality to be a hindrance, an amusement. The objective is to achieve the desired end result, Morality be it good or evil ultimately only factors into how you react to it and ultimately? There isn't much of a line that a good deal of them wouldn't cross if it meant achieving the result and assuring their aim.

 

And while the aim differs from universe to universe, the desire to pursue doesn't change.

 

Most of my PC's end up of this mindset, I ascribe them to be lawful evil because it most often fits their actions and morality over anything else, not in so far as them automatically being incapable of doing anything else.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Contradictory? Only in so far as if you are looking at them through a moral spectrum. Which given the thread, i can see the confusion, Personally though i have always viewed in this manner. Morality like most cognitive aspects is merely  a perspective driven subjective outlook upon action and reaction.I said before, i found morality to be a hindrance, an amusement. The objective is to achieve the desired end result, Morality be it good or evil ultimately only factors into how you react to it and ultimately? There isn't much of a line that a good deal of them wouldn't cross if it meant achieving the result and assuring their aim.

 

And while the aim differs from universe to universe, the desire to pursue doesn't change.

 

Most of my PC's end up of this mindset, I ascribe them to be lawful evil because it most often fits their actions and morality over anything else, not in so far as them automatically being incapable of doing anything else.

Yeah, I was using morality since you were asking which alignment on the DnD thing you were, in which morals is a large part of that. 

 

As for morality being a hindrance, can't disagree more. It is one of the few things that keeps us from being animals.

 

But let's not argue this. or leave it in a state where people might start.

[Maiden Crowe]

Most of my PC's end up of this mindset, I ascribe them to be lawful evil because it most often fits their actions and morality over anything else, not in so far as them automatically being incapable of doing anything else.

 

Is it really the actions themselves that define a character's morality or is it their reason for performing them?

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, I was using morality since you were asking which alignment on the DnD thing you were, in which morals is a large part of that. 

 

As for morality being a hindrance, can't disagree more. It is one of the few things that keeps us from being animals.

 

We both have our views of Justice, Our own concepts of peace and what can be done to achieve it.

 

I am not surprised we have differing views of Morality as a whole, to me its merely a societal hindrance, a block on progress.

 

You find something within it worth preserving.

[Master Warder Z_]

Is it really the actions themselves that define a character's morality or is it their reason for performing them?

 

That's an old question of perspective that ultimately is entirely subjective.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Warden was Neutral Good, Hawke was Chaotic Neutral, Inquisitor will probably be something in the 'Evil' spectrum. Maybe Neutral Evil. 

[Giant ambush beetle]

My characters in the first playthrough are pretty much copies of myself, and according to the test I'm chaotic neutral. 

[Maiden Crowe]

That's an old question of perspective that ultimately is entirely subjective.

 

Then how do you gauge a character's morality? Do you assign a moral value to each action the character performs and average it out based on the sum of all their actions or do you take into account their reason for performing such actions?

[Rayndorn]

I'm fond of playing a Neutral Good Mage. Always trying to do good, and always trying to assist the needy - even if that means breaking a law or a rule. I've always seen Neutral Good as more benevolent than Lawful Good, as being lawful generally means you'd not break a law - even if it would mean saving a life. 

That would be my canon character, inspired by my personal morale views, however. I'm fond of playing in a completely different way in my second playthrough - being selfish, cruel and generally taking every opportunity to kill. Scumbag Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor always makes me feel guilty, though... which is why I often follow it up with a goody-two shoes playthrough as a kind of personal redemption.

[Shadow Fox]

Neutral-chaotic good on every toon I have or will make in any game I play.

[DontWakeTheBear]

My Warden's were closer to Lawful Good, but slipped into Neutral Good occasionally, my Hawke was pretty firmly Neutral Good.

[St. Victorious]

Then how do you gauge a character's morality? Do you assign a moral value to each action the character performs and average it out based on the sum of all their actions or do you take into account their reason for performing such actions?

To some people it might not really matter. Assigning measurements such as alignment is arbitrary and might be something they don't even think about.

I generally apply an overarching theme to my characters and play them within such theme. I guess if the theme were Altruistic(my default playthroughs) then they'd be Lawful Good.

[Maiden Crowe]

To some people it might not really matter. Assigning measurements such as alignment is arbitrary and might be something they don't even think about.

 

Some might not but the question is directed more at those who do.

[Chashan]

Mh...Neutral Evil would likely be what I am going for, should DA:I be convincing.

 

Of course, the occasional laugh had doing Chaotic Evil things won't be missed, if it's available.

 

 

(With the one NPC-overhaul I was running, releasing the guy doesn't even seem like that good of an idea.)

[SwobyJ]

Considering their D&D roots, I'm sure BW themselves still think in these terms, even as they work around/with/despite them in various ways.

 

I haven't made solid my DA:O/DA2 characters, so I can't speak to them, but here's my ME history from the decisions I remember (or at least the decisions that might more illustrate my alignment as I go to play DA games).

 

Spoiler

-Spared the Rachni Queen

-Saved the Colonists, Exogeni rep, Shi'ala

-Helped Kirrahe's men

-Kaidan survived

-Saved the Destiny Ascension

-Picked Anderson

 

-Tried to talk down Miranda's friend

-Took Jacob's father into custody

-Kept Genophage research data

-Spared Sidonus

-Killed the Thresher Maw instead of being satisfied with surviving it

-Spared Aresh

-Helped Thane reconnect

-Resisted Morinth and killed her

-Rallied the crowd at Tali's trial

-Destroyed the Heretics

-Destroyed the Collector Base

-Everyone made it out (except of course the harvested colonists)

-Stopped Project Overlord

-Paragonned Liara throughout LOTSB

-Paragonned Zaeed throughout Price of Revenge

 

-Spared the Rachni Queen again

-Cured the Genophage with Wrex and Eve

-Had Kaidan stand down, and let him take the shot to Udina

-Stopped Samara from killing herself, and let her daughter live

-Upgraded the Geth and brought Geth/Quarian peace

-Paragonned TIM throughout

-Chose to Destroy the Reapers

-Pushed Ann Bryson to brink of death but kept her alive

-Javik was Paragonned but didn't look in memory shard, so he decided to live on and write a book with Liara

-Aria was Paragonned but I killed Oleg myself, resulting in her being denied her revenge but wanting better for Omega's people

-Tried to save the Clone

 

Result is a Paragon that went Paragade to Renegon as the series progressed (I was often Renegade in convos but not as much key choices).

 

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Anywayyy... my D&D Alignment test (http://www.easydamus.../character.html) gives me:

"True Neutral- A true neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. He doesn't feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most true neutral characters exhibit a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil after all, he would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, he's not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some true neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. True neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion. However, true neutral can be a dangerous alignment when it represents apathy, indifference, and a lack of conviction."

 

In RP, that tends to mean that I'll go for good, except when it seems *overly* idealistic. I'll help others, even those I just fought, but I won't take chances with highly corruptive influences. Thus in Mass Effect, I'll try to deal with Cerberus but more at arms length, and largely reject the Reapers (even as I try to understand aspects of them).

[BabyFratelli]

Chaotic Neutral with occasional chaotic good tendencies. 

[TribolMan]

Well in my "cannon" game the warden was neutral good and Hawke was more of a true neutral so for my first inquisitor I will use this worldstate and I'm thinking about evil but not sure if lawful or chaotic 

[Master Warder Z_]

Then how do you gauge a character's morality? Do you assign a moral value to each action the character performs and average it out based on the sum of all their actions or do you take into account their reason for performing such actions?

 

Ultimately the reasoning FOR the action to most them matters more so then the mortality of that action.

 

So i suppose the latter.

[NoForgiveness]

My canon and/or first character will be kind of an darkish person as far as personality but action/wise she will go with the good (or what I see as good) option. As far as lawful/chaotic.... she won't be lawful at all but won't necessarily be chaotic more of an anarchist ( and yes that is an invitation to chaos)

[Grieving Natashina]

While my Warden was a little more neutral (even had her lawful tendencies on occasion,) both my Warden and my Hawke could be considered this:

 

[DRTJR]

Lawful Good. Honor, Duty and All people of the Faith. These are the reasons(I hope) my Elven Warrior fights.

[SwobyJ]

Lawful Good. Honor, Duty and All people of the Faith. These are the reasons(I hope) my Elven Warrior fights.

 

Then WTF about your Zaeed avatar!

 

(ok yeah Mass Effect and not DA)

[Lebanese Dude]

Neutral/Lawful Good are my "canon" playthroughs. 

 

I am a very empathetic person. It's a blessing and a curse

 

I can, however, play a "renegade" character through role-playing, but those are left to my "have shits and giggles" runs.