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[Moussey]

Not a fan of the soul patch though... Not a fan

[Masha Potato]

omg i just noticed it keeps getting worse

[Moussey]

http://dashamaiwe.tu...ost/89987430466

Si or no si

[Pups_of_war_76]

****** space byzantines

[Masha Potato]

as long as he's got that hairstyle he's dead to me

hairstyle police

[Pups_of_war_76]

you should loathe him for losing your new homeland to the ottomans

[Pups_of_war_76]

oh wait it was the venetians who did that.

 

well you should loathe him for losing your new homeland to the abbasids or whoever

[Masha Potato]

yeah what a dick!

[Masha Potato]

[Pups_of_war_76]

uncanny

[Masha Potato]

Pls

[Moussey]

Newsflash!

Dorian is gay and Gaider is writing him.

****

I wanted to like him so bad but I don't trust Gaider one bit to make him work

[Pups_of_war_76]

flamboyant and gay character written by notoriously indelicate writer.

 

could certainly go wrong.

 

Gaider's done fine with bi males before, though, so as long as he doesn't get carried away ~explaining~ the character's gayness or whatever it is those angry nerds wanted, he could be fine here. 

 

I think it's more likely that he'll do fine on dorian's romance and general interactions, but somehow **** up whatever exposition on tevinter history/culture occurs through his character arc to such a degree that it manages to be offensive.

 

this being david "yeah, the qunari are like militant islamic borg, kinda like the ottomans" gaider, and all

 

if you're gonna be stupid about your ottoman analog, you might as well be stupid about your byzantine analog as well.

[Masha Potato]

well his description already sounds like some amazing white hero so

[Moussey]

I wish weekes wrote him

As lame as cole seems, his interview with weekes was ****** bomb

Dave's interview was so lackluster it seemed like he was bored the whole time.

"He's different"

How is he different?

"Cause he's not like the others and he's gay"

[Masha Potato]

militaristic gay borg

[Moussey]

are people seriously arguing whether Dorian is white or not

really

he's not

[Masha Potato]

i don't even know what white is anymore

[hanar05]

i don't even know what white is anymore

Me.

[Pups_of_war_76]

are people seriously arguing whether Dorian is white or not
 

 

dorian is a fictional ethnicity that, by design, conforms to white beauty standards

 

it is not a complicated enough question for them to argue about. 

[Moussey]

it is not a complicated enough question for them to argue about.

I thought so too, but they found a way

There were a few people who were very insistent on tying him together with some Southern European ethnicity, and some people who insist he's everything else but white, but really it doesn't matter

He doesn't really represent anything in particular

[Moussey]

I can't even lurk in the Dorian appreciation thread anymore. It's just a lot of back and forth of negative opinions on his race and now his sexual orientation

[Pups_of_war_76]

well it's better than the "elves aren't white people, so stop complaining that the whole cast of this fantasy work is white," thing fantasy nerds do sometimes, I suppose. 

 

In dorian's case I'm seeing a lot of people attempt to argue one way or the other based on tevinter = rome. 

 

first of all it is very loosely so,

 

second of all both ancient rome and medieval byzantium were highly cosmopolitan empires so that is facile anyway. 

 

both of these places had both white and nonwhite citizens,

 

both of these places had both aryan and non-aryan white people  

[Moussey]

I once thought about saying how no one is actually "white" or "colored" since race as we know it isn't expressed in Thedas at all, and locations on the actual continent are so loosely based on Europe and the surrounding areas that it can't be seen as a fictional parallel for actual geography and populations as most people would like to.

But of course most people talk about race as a way to categorize people by appearance, so that whole thing is stupid. It's very rarely about history, it's almost always about how they're ugly or attractive based on desirable European traits. Vivienne and Sera get a lot of flak for this. I'm not 100% sure why people are arguing about Dorian, I'm just mostly dumbfounded by why they keep discussing his race as connected to his ugly?pretty? appearance.

[Pups_of_war_76]

well yeah

 

I don't see the point of caring about how the people in Thedas would conceive of race, since they are fictional. At a certain level this must be viewed through the lens of popular media conventions.

 

Vivienne is very obviously a black woman, a demographic that is marginalized in mainstream culture and media. Additionally, she has the kind of features that can cause black women to be further marginalized even relative to that (if you look around, you see a lot of white nerds complaining about her lips, etc), so people who are interested in such things are well within their rights to pose questions such as "is the use of this character something that should be commended as a progressive blow against typecasting?" or "is there anything offensive in their portrayal of this character, as related to black womanhood?". 

 

Dorian, regardless of whether he should be considered technically white or not, doesn't have an appearance that invites that kind of systemic marginalization, and I don't think his very vague duskiness and unnatural topaz eyes (overlaid on highly caucasian-normative features) strikes any particular blows in favor of inclusiveness 

 

so I don't see why they are arguing about it. They're basically just arguing about whether southern europeans count as "white", since they're all identifying him as such, and there are other, nastier parts of the internet for that.