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[Jan Shepard]

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I'm suprised at how viciously Bioware has been pushing DLC lately, and how clumsy and inelegant it feels when they do it. 


What is the sense in that? 15 Euro for accessing the DLC portal and then only the release DLC is for free? So you exclude gamers that buy used games from buying the DLC.  Or can you download new missions also on the XBOX Live Marketplace?

Modifié par Jan Shepard, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:17 .

[sahadeva131]

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.



this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

[Ulquiorra_Schiffer]

Its to encourage people to buy ME2 new,Bioware doesn't get money from 2nd hand copy sales

[Sialboats]

The $15 fee likely is for those who don't have the Cerberus Network Card, included free of charge in all new packages of ME2.

[Nimander]

You're paying $15 for the following:



1) A new squadmate for a few missions.

2) A new planet.

3) A new mission.

4) The new 'mako' analogue, the Hammerhead.

5) At least one mission and probably a few that use the Hammerhead.

6) 'Some bonus content from time to time' was a quote I saw.



For $15, eh. Considering it's free for new copies, I'm not too upset. It's a way to get some dollars from the used game market. I don't know if I'd have charged $15 for it, but hey.

[Adhin]

Thats the Cerberus Network Card - it comes with ALL NEW COPYS OF ME2. All. New. Copys for 'free'.



If you buy a used game on the cheap, and you want that - you pay 15. Which still ends up being cheaper, in the long run then a full used game if you wait that long.



New copy = Get Network Card for free

Used copy = has to pay 15

[Valcutio]

sahadeva131 wrote...

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.

this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

Our public education system at work, ladies and gentlemen.

[OriginalDiSarray]

delete this  post please!

Modifié par OriginalDiSarray, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:35 .

[longhornx10]

They explained in one of their interviews that you do not have to have access to the Cerberus network to download DLC you can do that separately. It is just intended to give people a chance to get the free DLC day one and any more free DLC they release in the future.

[Nimander]

sahadeva131 wrote...
buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.

Even with hyperbole, this is entirely untrue.  Pirating is illegal.  Selling a used game is not pirating in any sense of the word.

sahadeva131 wrote...
this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

This, however, is true.  I have no issue with it as long as it's done carefully.

[SnowHeart1]

I don't know I'd say it's "virtually the same", but I agree with sahadeva131's fundamental point. Third-party sales really undercut a company's profits. I don't exactly feel "bad" about that, but I also see where they're coming from. Besides, you don't need the DLC to play the game. You're getting a complete version of the game that you can play without the DLC. Just decide if the DLC is worth that much to you, and let market forces decide.

[Loop Stricken]

sahadeva131 wrote...

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating.

Well... no it's not. True they both deny a retail sale but it's entirely different.

[Valcutio]

I'm buying the game new and I imagine most of the fans on this forum will too. Not sure why this is even an issue.

[Jan Shepard]

sahadeva131 wrote...
buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. 

Well, with this argument you could also defend pirating.

If I buy for example a used copy of Dragon Age the seller could purchase with my money Mass Effect 2.
If I download it for free, nobody ever sees any money of me.

I pre-odered Mass Effect 2 but if this will becomme all too common in the next months I will become an opponent of DLC, too.

Modifié par Jan Shepard, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:38 .

[FluxDeluxe]

Nimander wrote...

sahadeva131 wrote...
buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.

Even with hyperbole, this is entirely untrue.  Pirating is illegal.  Selling a used game is not pirating in any sense of the word.

sahadeva131 wrote...
this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

This, however, is true.  I have no issue with it as long as it's done carefully.

I completely agree there should be no stigma attached to buying used games it's a perfectly legal activity and one as old as computer games are. Financially it does have the same effect as piracy to game distribution. To suggest it's stealing is wrong. I think it's great that EA and BW have come up with a way to reward people who buy the game new and make money off the used games market, it's a win win. EA  claw back a substantial amount of customers, wewho would buy the game new anyway gain a load of free dlc. Happy days imo.

[Leonick91]

Yea isnt the marketing strategy the use great? I think so i hope a lot more companies start using it?

Why? Well because when the used sales market is gone a new console game will have the same price as a PC game, sure sucks paying twice for the same game on console...

My ME2 CE only cost a little more than the 360 SE

[Niddy']

I dunno if it's just my thinking of five years ago, but games shouldn't come with additional fees and extra content tagged on to a game for a price. Maybe Blizzard just corrupted my view on this but I find it greedy.

[Loerwyn]

@ Leonick91; My ME2 DDE costs the same as the 360 SE, which is completely standard for the market in the UK.



On topic: I'm not actually that sure the Used Market is perfectly legal. I remember Sony throwing up a big thing about it in regards to the PS3, but I honestly don't know what the outcome was. It's possibly a legal grey area (if not legal), which is why gaming stores do it. I'd wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't carved-in-stone legal, though.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

So you exclude gamers that buy used games from buying the DLC.

Congratulations, that's the whole point.

[Nimander]

It's legal. Sony was trying to make it illegal through a variant of the EULA crap you get nowadays. To be honest, it's more that EULA type stuf is legally gray.

[SethSteiner]

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.

this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

This whole topic is ridiculous. If I own a chair, a cell phone, a printer, a bed, clothes, books, everything is MY property and I can sell it how I want. I can`t imagine what would happen if a company would start making anything like that and lower the value of my property through this. It`s disgusting that pirating and buying/selling used games is in the same sentence. Sorry but if I would buy something used, I would just download every DLC because it`s my right to own a full product and as a seller it should be my damn right to sell a full product.