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[crimzontearz]

I never buy used games so......



but ultimately I like the idea of killing used resale above all because companies like gamestop are sooo damn greedy about it

[Loerwyn]

Maviarab wrote...

Shallow,

Strictly speaking from a end user EULA legal aspect, selling second hand games is illegal, its just never enforced...

But have you noticed (especially in the UK) how many stores are stopping selling 2nd hand PC games? The indusrty knows it will happen and cant stop it (car boot sales and flea markets anyone?) so as they continually make the licensing and registration more difficult and tie content to keys and online accounts, the 2nd hand market slowly dries up on its own...

Clever eh?

Indeed, I know exactly what you mean. I think Gamestation and CEX are the only places who carry 2nd Hand PC games now, although I don't think GAME ever did (or haven't for years). I don't think they really help themselves though, you'd be surprised how many copies of games like Dungeons & Dragons: Online I've seen sold 2nd hand (which, of course, cannot actually be done as the code is a 1 use only thing).

Combined with paranoia about computerised infections (viruses, malware etc), pirated games, DRM and as you say - keys and online accounts, I think the 2nd hand market for the PC is very quickly drying up.

Can't say I'm overly trusting of the 2nd hand market, even for console games. Shame it's the only way I can get games for my N64 now

[Quadraxas]

it is pretty simple, this is all about earning money from pirates. Altough they talk about second hand and that kind of stuff they are actually talking about pirate copies, got the game second hand? want dlc? pay 15. That's about eraning money from pirates. good move. Indeed there will be pirated versions of dlcs but that still earns some money to bioware from pirates. Not too many people buys 2nd hand game nor there are alot of people selling their games BUT there is alot of pirates. From pirate's pov you can always pirate a game and say it is second hand.

[SnowHeart1]

OMG, I'm sorry, but why don't we call the Whambulance here.

This whole topic is ridiculous. If I own a chair, a cell phone, a printer, a bed, clothes, books, everything is MY property and I can sell it how I want. I can`t imagine what would happen if a company would start making anything like that and lower the value of my property through this.

And if you sold ME2 (which you don't own, you just have a license for it, but anyway...) IT WOULD STILL WORK! What about that don't people here understand? The game still freaking works. There is just extra content, that you DO NOT NEED to play the original game, for which you would have to pay an extra charge. Don't want it? Think it's too expensive? Don't buy it.

I dunno if it's just my thinking of five years ago, but games shouldn't come with additional fees and extra content tagged on to a game for a price. Maybe Blizzard just corrupted my view on this but I find it greedy.

Again, if you buy the game new, it is free. If you choose to buy it used, in a transaction where Bioware receives no money, you still have a game which will work perfectly fine... and it will be the complete version of the game. If you want the extras, either buy a new copy of the game to get them for free, or pay a small fee to Bioware to get access to them.



Sorry, some people here just sound so entitled. Bioware's a business. Don't like their product? Don't buy it; if you were going to at all in the first place.

[SethSteiner]

Maviarab wrote...

The difference there though is that with any form of media you do not own it, you only own a license to use it as either the artist or the publisher owns the content.

Media, not media, absolutly irrelevant. The whole "oh but I only buyed a license" is crap and don`t concern me. maybe some gamers still gave up and let themself been ripped off everytime but sorry, not me. If I buy something, I own it. I don`t own the brand but the disc, the box and the content namely the whole content and not a half or so. if EA attacks the consumer rights, I don`t see why I should respect their`s.

@SnowHeart1
It`s easy, I pay for a full game, If there is DLC on Day 1, it`s not full so I download it, no matter if it`s free like Prisoner Quest or cost something like Wardens. Sorry but in the times of Baldurs Gate, this was something unimaginable and now you want to defend such a rip off? Please, go ahead but don`t think it could do anything.

Modifié par SethSteiner, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:07 .

[Valmy]

What is the sense in that? 15 Euro for accessing the DLC portal and then only the release DLC is for free? So you exclude gamers that buy used games from buying the DLC.  Or can you download new missions also on the XBOX Live Marketplace?

They are attempting to fight piracy.  You know the guys who already have the game right now and are playing it for free.  Well Bio will get some money from them...if they want the DLC...but of course they will probably steal that to somehow.

[crimzontearz]

SethSteiner wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

The difference there though is that with any form of media you do not own it, you only own a license to use it as either the artist or the publisher owns the content.

Media, not media, absolutly irrelevant. The whole "oh but I only buyed a license" is crap and don`t concern me. maybe some gamers still gave up and let themself been ripped off everytime but sorry, not me. If I buy something, I own it. I don`t own the brand but the disc, the box and the content namely the whole content and not a half or so. if EA attacks the consumer rights, I don`t see why I should respect their`s.

please learn to write in english, being self righteous while making that many grammatical errors just makes you pass as stupid

secondly I believe EA is not breaking the law, if you think they are you are free to contact their legal department through your personal lawyer...

[DocLasty]

The way I see it, the Cerberus Network is a separate service. When you buy the game new, it's free. When you get it used, obviously, it costs money. I don't think there's anything wrong with buying used - I do it all the time, myself, and it's the only real option for games that have been out for a few years and are hard to find new. At the same time, if you bought the game used and got access to the Cerberus content, Bioware wouldn't see a penny of anything. They have to make some sort of return on DLC, after all.



And it's still a better deal than most DLC, these days. Most DLC costs money straight up. There's no way to get it free. And if it is free, typically there's no terribly much too it - it's fairly uncommon to see quality DLC given out with no charge to the player. That's what Bioware is offering to us - as long as we buy new. They're basically asking 'Give money to us for the game we made, not Gamestop'. That doesn't sound like an unreasonable thing to ask.

[SethSteiner]

lol EULA, most of the EULAs aren`t even legal. Of course no one "owns" the content in terms of using it as they have invented it, like to use it as advertisement but if I want to mod it, I mod it. If I want to destroy it, I do so and if I want to copy it, the same. I could make hundreds of folders with the content, who wants to stop me? It`s my game.

[Hells_eAngel]

SethSteiner wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

The difference there though is that with any form of media you do not own it, you only own a license to use it as either the artist or the publisher owns the content.

Media, not media, absolutly irrelevant. The whole "oh but I only buyed a license" is crap and don`t concern me. maybe some gamers still gave up and let themself been ripped off everytime but sorry, not me. If I buy something, I own it. I don`t own the brand but the disc, the box and the content namely the whole content and not a half or so. if EA attacks the consumer rights, I don`t see why I should respect their`s.

@SnowHeart1
It`s easy, I pay for a full game, If there is DLC on Day 1, it`s not full so I download it, no matter if it`s free like Prisoner Quest or cost something like Wardens. Sorry but in the times of Baldurs Gate, this was something unimaginable and now you want to defend such a rip off? Please, go ahead but don`t think it could do anything.

You must live on some island floating in the orbit of an undiscovered planet, if your mind still works that way after going through at least junior high. Correcting someone on an error and having half of your post full of errors just makes you look like you didn't even pass the said school. You seem to have never developed past the phase "mine mine MINE!" and into the real world.

But I won't beat the dead horse here, a couple of people before me have already explained to you that the License to use their product is the only thing you own. Thanks for making everyone feel better about themselves because dumb people like you still exist. And at the same time, why would you make all of us so sad that people like you actually exist and still think that way?

Modifié par Hells_eAngel, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

The way I see it is if you do not like it then don't buy it. Don't play it. Completely and totally ignore it and find some other game to play. If you do not mind this set up then buy the game, play the game, and enjoy all that it offers.

1 or 0.
On or Off.
Buy/Play or Ignore.

It's not that hard of a decision.

EDIT:  Damnable Typoes

Modifié par Killian Kalthorne, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[DocLasty]

It`s easy, I pay for a full game, If there is DLC on Day 1, it`s not full so I download it, no matter if it`s free like Prisoner Quest or cost something like Wardens. Sorry but in the times of Baldurs Gate, this was something unimaginable and now you want to defend such a rip off? Please, go ahead but don`t think it could do anything.





See, the problem with this line of thinking is that it assumes that if you buy something, you're automatically entitled to everything that comes along with that product, which isn't true. When you buy an Xbox360, there are dozens of little doodads and widgets you can add on the thing to enhance your experience - but you don't need them. The system works fine on its own, and does everything the box says it does. The extra stuff, is, well, extra. It was made to be separate.



The DLC isn't stuff that was made to be a part of the game, then cut out to make more money. It's stuff that was made to be DLC in the first place. None of it was ever promised to be in the final product, and when you buy Mass Effect 2, you're getting the product that was advertised to you. Anything else costs extra.

[Shinobicat]

sahadeva131 wrote...

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. 

*facepalm*
With this kind of attitude you should definitely try getting a job at EA...

If you buy a second hand car (let's say it's a Dodge), do you also weep for the people at Dodge because they don't see a penny of what you paid for it? *shakeshead*

[DocLasty]

Maviarab wrote...

The system works fine on its own, and does everything the box says it does

Phew Doc...thats a pretty strong statement lmao

Well, okay, the Xbox360 probably wasn't the best example. You get me, though.

[DocLasty]

Shinobicat wrote...

sahadeva131 wrote...

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. 

*facepalm*
With this kind of attitude you should definitely try getting a job at EA...

If you buy a second hand car (let's say it's a Dodge), do you also weep for the people at Dodge because they don't see a penny of what you paid for it? *shakeshead*

There's nothing wrong with buying a car used. But if you want to add on parts or get replacements for that car, you're going to have to pay Dodge money for them, unless you can find them elsewhere somehow.

[Killian Kalthorne]

Maviarab wrote...
Are you a friend of stealths? A car is not media, therfore when you buy it, you own it fully and soley, and if you wish to drive it into a shop and then a lake, go for it.....

Second hand game sales ARE similar to (unspeakable word - and not saying the same as.....similar) as you never own the game, just a license to use it,, so reselling it on is actually resellling something you do not own for your own financial gain...

But from your post, I really dont expect you to understand what i wrote, never mind the real world legal aspect of it.

Technically we own the box it came in, the disc it is printed on, and the game manual.  The actual program/media stored on the disc is still their intellectual property.  Lets get real technical shall we. 

[Hells_eAngel]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

Maviarab wrote...
Are you a friend of stealths? A car is not media, therfore when you buy it, you own it fully and soley, and if you wish to drive it into a shop and then a lake, go for it.....

Second hand game sales ARE similar to (unspeakable word - and not saying the same as.....similar) as you never own the game, just a license to use it,, so reselling it on is actually resellling something you do not own for your own financial gain...

But from your post, I really dont expect you to understand what i wrote, never mind the real world legal aspect of it.

Technically we own the box it came in, the disc it is printed on, and the game manual.  The actual program/media stored on the disc is still their intellectual property.  Lets get real technical shall we. 

Well then if you were getting technical, why didn't you point out that you also own the little Microsoft sticker that is oh so annoying to get rid of before opening your box?