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[Malastare-]

HK74 wrote...

In my hypothetical scenario all of the users bought identical 360s with the intention of sharing within their group. Each person buys one game, installs that game on the hdd along with dlc. They all play their game for a set period of time, let's say one month. At the end of the month, instead of borrowing games, they switch entire consoles. Everyone has access to everything available for the game and everyone can download new dlc whenever it becomes available.

Sorry, but your hypothetical scenario is stupid.  I was explaining why paying for a DLC distribution channel is a practical solution to a problem, and you concoct an elaborate exploit which is anything but practical.

Yes, someone could "defeat" the pricing scheme that way.  When that starts becoming common, I'm sure someone wil come up with a better way.  Perhaps they could lock the DLC to the serial numbers on our jetpacks.

[WilliamShatner]

If I bought the Shale DLC for 1200 I would never buy a BioWare game again. It is probably the biggest rip-off on the XBL marketplace, and that's against some very strong opposition. It's like 30 minutes of gameplay?

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? bioware would sell one copy of the game and then people would keep reselling it to each other. bioware gets paid for 1 sale and thousands plat the game ( i exaggerated just to get my point across) but in reality potential sales could 1/2 if everyone resold their game just once.







this is just to avoid this or at least get some money out of the people who buy the game second hand.

BioWare do not get payed when people buy games of the shelf. They have already been payed for the shipments that come into the store.



Of course if ME2 sells poorly then then game stores will be less likely to buy a lot of future products.

[DragonRageGT]

Since someone mentioned cars... when you buy one, you can choose from a standard model or the same model with lots of, what do they call it for you? Here it's called "Optional" items! Which can make the same model costs twice as much. But the standard model will still start and run so you don't need any "optional" for that.



Now, do people really sell/buy "used" games? What a waste! It's like selling/buying used syringes or used food or used medicine...IMHO. Nothing beats new stuff. Can I sell my used wife too? I might consider a huge discount on that item... I might even ended up paying for someone to take that item away from me!!!

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

sahadeva131 wrote...

buying used games is virtually the same as pirating. imagine if everyone did this? 

Nah. If I own a game I have the right to sell it. The person who buys it is not a pirate. A pirate steals something that does not belong to him.

I personall don't buy used games, but people who buy used games are getting the game honestly.

I don't have a problem with Bioware having DLC that is free only for games bought new.

[Zegir]

RageGT wrote...

Now, do people really sell/buy "used" games? What a waste! It's like selling/buying used syringes or used food or used medicine...IMHO. Nothing beats new stuff. Can I sell my used wife too? I might consider a huge discount on that item... I might even ended up paying for someone to take that item away from me!!!

Oh, what horrible analogies I see.

[h4wkeye1]

It's simple. Dont buy a used game and you won't have to pay 15$....Who buys used games these days anyways?

[NobodyofConsequence]

A few thoughts...



A licence permits use of something. It does not confer ownership, otherwise my drivers licence would indeed make me King of the Road. A EULA is an acknowledgement of the right to use of a software package. The issue here is if EA or any other legal entity may prohibit third party transactions involving the transfer of that licence.



Let's be real, though - a EULA is not law. It is written by a legal team to safeguard the interests of the publisher, and as such should, if the lawyers involved are any good, do the utmost to advance those interests without any consideration to the licensee except in so far as the publisher wishes to permit those considerations to enhance their business relationships with their customers. It only needs to be able to act as support to an argument in court, and since publishers usually have much deeper pockets than the private citizens who purchase the licences to use these software(s), that makes the likelihood of those specific licences being tested in court within a given jurisdiction, well, kinda low.



The really interesting thing, to me, is that we are still as a culture trying to determine what ownership means when applied to IP. I am quite certain that I own all my books, and I have no compunctions about having sold many of them over the years to second hand bookstores, nor have I had any compunctions about borrowing books from public libraries (you could say that a library issues me a third party licence to use of that book, but not ownership of it, where I quite clearly disposed of all rights of usage of those physical items, those books, when I sold them).



My sense of these things is that software is becoming more closely regarded as a service than as a material item. I think this viewpoint benefits businesses whose revenues are based on sale of IP. Whether this benefits consumers is a different story.



Anyway ... *dons asbestos armour*

[Jan Shepard]

McNerdBurger wrote

I'm a Bioware dev, I'd like to clear this up... Anyone worried about Cerberus Network issues read below:

- The Cerberus Network is essentially a stream of free DLC.
- Every new copy of the game comes with it.
- It is NOT a "license to purchase DLC"
- People without it WILL be able to purchase any future paid DLC, but will miss out on the stream of freebies that we have lined up
- People who buy the game used can purchase a Cerberus code to get in on the stream.

Will further DLC created by the makers from Pinnacle Station or Bioware itself?

Modifié par Jan Shepard, 22 janvier 2010 - 05:15 .

[Phoenixblight]

Jan Shepard wrote...

McNerdBurger wrote

I'm a Bioware dev, I'd like to clear this up... Anyone worried about Cerberus Network issues read below:

- The Cerberus Network is essentially a stream of free DLC.
- Every new copy of the game comes with it.
- It is NOT a "license to purchase DLC"
- People without it WILL be able to purchase any future paid DLC, but will miss out on the stream of freebies that we have lined up
- People who buy the game used can purchase a Cerberus code to get in on the stream.

Will further DLC created by the makers from Pinnacle Station or Bioware itself?

Bioware has a seperate team for DLC for ME 2, you won't have to worry about Pinnacle station situation.

[neubourn]

h4wkeye1 wrote...

It's simple. Dont buy a used game and you won't have to pay 15$....Who buys used games these days anyways?

Plenty of people do. Not everyone can drop $60 on a game everytime one comes out that they want.

I bought Dragon Age Origins used, so im SOL on the Shale biz, and im not gonna spend 1200MS points on it either, and im ok with that. Its a decent game, but not worth the $60 new (IMO). Honestly, i would consider getting the Shale DLC if it werent so ridiculously priced...and im sure there are plenty of other people who bought it used and feel the exact same way. So, while its great that they are coming up with ways to reward people who purchase the game new, they should also take into account that they are driving away some DLC business from people who get it used with their pricing.

[Phoenixblight]

neubourn wrote...

h4wkeye1 wrote...

It's simple. Dont buy a used game and you won't have to pay 15$....Who buys used games these days anyways?

Plenty of people do. Not everyone can drop $60 on a game everytime one comes out that they want.

I bought Dragon Age Origins used, so im SOL on the Shale biz, and im not gonna spend 1200MS points on it either, and im ok with that. Its a decent game, but not worth the $60 new (IMO). Honestly, i would consider getting the Shale DLC if it werent so ridiculously priced...and im sure there are plenty of other people who bought it used and feel the exact same way. So, while its great that they are coming up with ways to reward people who purchase the game new, they should also take into account that they are driving away some DLC business from people who get it used with their pricing.

You are whining about something that did not even make Bioware a profit off of. Your point is moot should have bought new. You could waited a year got th DIamond or GOOTY edition paid 60$ (maybe even less) got all the DLC free.

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 22 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[Wrexercise]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

@ Leonick91; My ME2 DDE costs the same as the 360 SE, which is completely standard for the market in the UK.

On topic: I'm not actually that sure the Used Market is perfectly legal. I remember Sony throwing up a big thing about it in regards to the PS3, but I honestly don't know what the outcome was. It's possibly a legal grey area (if not legal), which is why gaming stores do it. I'd wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't carved-in-stone legal, though.

Are you kidding? Let's say I purchased a "CAR". I've used that  "CAR" for as long as I want to. I'm ready to get rid of that "CAR". What you're saying is that I may not have a legal right to sell MY "CAR", correct? How old are you and do you have any business sense at all?

If you purchase anything (that's not stolen), then it is YOURS. You can do what you want with it. Sell it, trade it, barter it for a chipmunk if you so choose. That's life and that's business. BW has no obligation to provide DLC to anybody for free, however the game is MINE after I pay for it, therefore I can do what I want with it.

[Stanley Woo]

There is a older thread discussing this. Thank you.

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